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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #632
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    Once again. I'm not defending the man. I don't know if his dispute is justified or not. I'm simply pointing out that it's got nothing to do with the household charge. I really don't care about his situation one way or another. I didn't vote for him, I didn't vote for his party, the issue is a storm in a teacup. Enda can support or fire him - makes no odds to me.

    It is more than that and if it's not it should be. People who have paid should be outraged at his double standards. I voted in this government, am I sorry now.


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    #633
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Biggins wrote: »
    I would expect him as a government minister - a supposed representative of the Irish nation - to lead by example and at least given his high position and money he gets anyway, to do things right and in the proper methods of addressing such issues!

    After all, are we paying not just for him to do these things but also paying for his many advisor's and legal people to look after him also?

    Whats the Portuguese news papers going to say tomorrow?
    "Irish state minister tell his people to pay their bills even of they have a dispute with it - but refuses to pay one himself!"

    Should be interesting reading what the Portugal is going to think of this double standards!

    While I agree with Your sentiments Biggins, for me, it's more pertinent as to what the IRISH people will think of hogan's stance...........and he's the pr1ck who called me non patriotic, because I didn't pay my 100 quid!!!!!

    This 'man's' arrogance knows no bounds.


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    #634
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    He is refusing to pay management fee, what is your point?
    He wants us to pay a fee/charge but it's ok for him not to pay for something he agreed when he bought the property. When I built my house I agreed to no such fee.

    You're simply guessing that he's getting the services he agreed to pay for. Obviously one side or the other in the dispute is getting it wrong.

    The household charge isn't a contract - it's a tax levied regardless of whether you like what you get in return or not - like every other tax.


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    #635
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    Maybe they can determine the distinction between a private contract dispute and tax evasion?


    So is the 100 euro household charge a charge or an actual tax??

    You seem to know alot more about it than most of the FG ministers know about it.


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    #636
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    They're not taxes. They're nothing to do with anyone but a private company and himself.

    Sure this household charge isn't a tax either according to a lot on here.


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    #637
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    So is the household charge a charge or a tax???

    It's a tax. Don't know how many times this nonsense has been wheeled out.


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    #638
    jimmynokia
    Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    paddy147 wrote: »
    So is the 100 euro household charge a charge or an actual tax??

    its a load of b*****X


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    #639
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    alastair wrote: »
    Maybe they can determine the distinction between a private contract dispute and tax evasion?

    As they can too with seeing a bill come to an home owner, who refuses to subsequently pay for something they are expected to?

    LOL

    Just look at this current debate!

    Here I am arguing that he should maybe pay his bill - and your arguing that there are 'reasons' why he should not be paying it!

    This is both ironic and laughable! :pac:

    We have switched roles! :D


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    #640
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,331 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    hondasam wrote: »
    He is refusing to pay management fee, what is your point?

    Because you said he is 'asking us to pay for something he is refusing to pay for himself in another country'.

    So, again, which government tax is he refusing to pay in Portugal?

    Personally I'm refusing to pay the newspaper bill due to my house as they keep delivering the Irish Field instead of the Racing Post. However I don't see why this should prevent me being on the side of being tax compliant, as it is an issue between me and a newsagent who aren't government owned.


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    #641
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    It's a tax. Don't know how many times this nonsense has been wheeled out.



    You should round up all the FG ministers and explain it all to them then,because most of them dont seem to know what it really is,what it will do and how it will work.They are all clutching at straws when put on the spot.


    So when will the revenue be knocking on my door or invoicing me in the post??


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    #642
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    paddy147 wrote: »
    The amount of times you have thanked each other is unreal.


    Funny eh??:rolleyes:

    Are you sure you mean 'thanked'?


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    #643
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    You're simply guessing that he's getting the services he agreed to pay for. Obviously one side or the other in the dispute is getting it wrong.

    The household charge isn't a contract - it's a tax levied regardless of whether you like what you get in return or not - like every other tax.

    I really don't care whether he is getting the services he paid for or not, he signed the contract and is obliged to pay the damn fee.
    The household charge is a tax/fee/charge or whatever PH wants to call it, we are supposed to get something in return for it otherwise why should we pay it.
    The difference here is PH has received an invoice for his fee where I have not received any invoice.


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    #644
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    Let me get this straight. If someone sends me a bill that I dispute, I should take them to court?

    This doesn't make sense. Surely it is up to the creditor to demonstrate that the charge is payable, and go to the courts if necessary.

    You're not thinking this through.

    Do you think that an Irish minister for the environment being in front of a portuguese court for non-payment of service charges is appropriate?


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    #645
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Just to clarify, my first post this morning regarding paying this sham tax was an april fools, as anyone who knows me here has probably guessed.

    There's not a chance in hell of me paying it.

    Big phil looks great in the indo this morning, if that story is true then I find that his position is untenable and he should resign immediately.
    He is incompetent anyway as his handling of this sham tax has shown.

    DON'T REGISTER / DON'T PAY.

    You almost caught me there, for a microsecond i think it was:D


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    #646
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Because you said he is 'asking us to pay for something he is refusing to pay for himself in another country'.

    So, again, which government tax is he refusing to pay in Portugal?

    Personally I'm refusing to pay the newspaper bill due to my house as they keep delivering the Irish Field instead of the Racing Post. However I don't see why this should prevent me being on the side of being tax compliant, as it is an issue between me and a newsagent who aren't government owned.

    The principle is the same as far as I'm concerned. He agreed to pay a management fee when he bought his property and now he is refusing to pay.


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    #647
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    hondasam wrote: »
    he signed the contract and is obliged to pay the damn fee.

    The difference here is PH has received an invoice for his fee where I have not received any invoice.


    Very well put and explained on both points.


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    #648
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    No. That was just spin.

    You seem to know a lot about phil's private financial business!


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    #649
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    So when will the revenue be knocking on my door or invoicing me??

    Do the revenue knock on your door for the TV licence or commercial rates, or motor tax (other taxes not administrated by the revenue)?


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    #650
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    The difference here is PH has received an invoice for his fee where I have not received any invoice.

    And? I don't get an invoice for my paye or prsa - I get a reminder if I don't pay up on time - just as you'll get a reminder (and late penalty charges) if you didn't pay this tax.


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    #651
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    I really don't care whether he is getting the services he paid for or not, he signed the contract and is obliged to pay the damn fee.

    As long as his service provider isn't in breach of contract. Do you know that's not the case?


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    #652
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    And? I don't get an invoice for my paye or prsa - I get a reminder if I don't pay up on time - just as you'll get a reminder (and late penalty charges) if you don't pay this tax on time.

    They cannot invoice unless I give them my details. You don't get an invoice for paye because you gave them your details. There is no point in going round in circles with you because you change the goalposts all the time.
    You are happy to pay, good for you, I am not happy to pay until I know what it is I'm expected to pay next year and the year after. Paying this €100 is like signing a contract without reading the small print and then complaining when it goes wrong.


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    #653
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    Do the revenue knock on your door for the TV licence or commercial rates, or motor tax (other taxes not administrated by the revenue)?

    When I bought a car I knew I would have to tax it.

    When I bought a TV I knew I needed a licence.

    When I bought my house 5 years ago,I didnt know I would need a yearly tax for it too.And a fcuking outragously high tax too,by the looks of it.



    What did Enda say back in the 1990s about property tax??(say one thing but do the opposite)


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    #654
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    When I bought a car I knew I would have to tax it.

    When I bought a TV I knew I needed a licence.

    When I bought my house 5 years ago,I didnt know I would need a tax for it too.And a fcuking outragously high tax too,by the looks of it.

    You know about it now. Did you know about the USC before it was rolled out? Paying that?


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    #655
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Suppose this is why phil wouldn't take the voluntary pay cut like everyone else.
    These are the 'personal circumstances' he was talking about.
    Must have a big mortgage in portugal.
    What taxes is he liable for here on foreign properties?

    This could get interesting.


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    #656
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    As long as his service provider isn't in breach of contract. Do you know that's not the case?

    You can say this for lots of things. Is PH the only person refusing to pay?


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    #657
    Sionach
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Sionach


    alastair wrote: »

    And? I don't get an invoice for my paye or prsa - I get a reminder if I don't pay up on time - just as you'll get a reminder (and late penalty charges) if you didn't pay this tax.
    You don't get a reminder for paye because it is deducted from source. You didn't have to register for that either.


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    #658
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    hondasam wrote: »
    You can say this for lots of things. Is PH the only person refusing to pay?


    I wonder that myself


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    #659
    howsyourtusk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭howsyourtusk


    Phil Hogan is the best thing that's happened to the left in Ireland in years. The man is a complete tool :D


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    #660
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Over all conclusion of the current Household Charge:

    Its become comically farcical to a point where FG acting like Keystone cops, have made a right balls up of it!

    It really is laughable - and would be so if in actual fact the previous supplied photo, sadly shows in fact an example of their arrogance and hatred of the people they are supposed to be representing!

    Let us just remind ourselves once again (and feel free to share): http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8370/signals.jpg


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    #661
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What taxes is he liable for here on foreign properties?

    None - unless he's renting it out.


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