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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #6602
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    Stamp duty is indeed applicable in some european states, and we do have a health service - with outgoings (and hence overhead) on a par with other european states. Getting our public services in good working order isn't going to happen without the same sort of revenue overhead as our neighbours.

    I've already told you I'm not a FG supporter. That didn't sink in, so I doubt there's much talking sense to you in that regard.

    Not so much a supporter, rather than a blinkered admirer. We don't have the same population as our neighbours, and it's about time Government realised it. And cut our Civil Service/Public service numbers and "entitlements".


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    #6603
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    billybudd wrote: »
    Sorry in english: you probaly work in a public sector job and will argue your case in order to protect your own future earnings.

    A local authority you mean? 'fraid not.


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    #6604
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    'stool of the Government'?

    The mind boggles.

    No surprise there - given your lack of comprehension of the issue at hand.


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    #6605
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    'stool of the Government'?

    The mind boggles.

    And no comment on the immorality of the tax which has been pointed out to you. Again no surprise, seeing as it's completely indefensible.


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    #6606
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Not so much a supporter, rather than a blinkered admirer. We don't have the same population as our neighbours, and it's about time Government realised it. And cut our Civil Service/Public service numbers and "entitlements".

    We've a similar population to Denmark - a state with a public sector twice the size of ours. They've got stamp duty and property tax.


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    #6607
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    No surprise there - given your lack of comprehension of the issue at hand.

    And the babble you spout. What exactly is a 'stool of government' when it's home?


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    #6608
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    And the babble you spout. What exactly is a 'stool of government' when it's home?

    OK Mr. Pedantic. Stooge. Understand now? Or will it take another hour for stuff to sink in as usual?:D


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    #6609
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    We've a similar population to Denmark - a state with a public sector twice the size of ours. They've got stamp duty and property tax.

    With all sectors functioning correctly. What are the public sector pay rates in Denmark vs Ireland BTW? And oh - Denmark's MRSA levels are 2% - vs something in the late 20% over here. Another example of just how inefficient our PS is over here. Then again even some contractors leave a lot to be desired..........;)


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    #6610
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    OK Mr. Pedantic. Stooge. Understand now? Or will it take another hour for stuff to sink in as usual?:D

    Pedantic? A prerequisite for comments sinking in, is that they make some sense in the first place - otherwise it's just gobbledygook.


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    #6611
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    With all sectors functioning correctly. What are the public sector pay rates in Denmark vs Ireland BTW? And oh - Denmark's MRSA levels are 2% - vs something in the late 20% over here. Another example of just how inefficient our PS is over here. Then again even some contractors leave a lot to be desired..........;)

    Why don't you toddle off and find out. Just pointing out that it's one of those instances of a state with similar population, a far bigger public sector, that levies stamp duty and property taxes. The kind of place you suggested doesn't exist.


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    #6612
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    alastair wrote: »
    We've a similar population to Denmark - a state with a public sector twice the size of ours. They've got stamp duty and property tax.

    Denmark sounds perfect for you.


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    #6613
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    We've a similar population to Denmark - a state with a public sector twice the size of ours. They've got stamp duty and property tax.

    Interesting read here:

    http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/35/23/38656029.pdf


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    #6614
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Denmark sounds perfect for you.

    It's not a bad spot - they could teach us a thing or two about competent governance.


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    #6615
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    Pedantic? A prerequisite for comments sinking in, is that they make some sense in the first place - otherwise it's just gobbledygook.

    Kettle. Pot. Black.:D


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    #6616
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    alastair wrote: »
    It's not a bad spot - they could teach us a thing or two about competent governance.

    So are there policitans as corrupt as ours and their public sector management as incompetent as ours? If not maybe I'll join you.


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    #6617
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    And no comment on the immorality of the tax which has been pointed out to you. Again no surprise, seeing as it's completely indefensible.

    Why waste your time entertaining morons?? He still asks for reasons why this tax is wrong, all he has to do is read some of the 6000+ posts.

    Whats even more sad is the fact even some FG td's admits its a shambles, check out latest news there are many comments from unions, td's and journalists at how ridiculous the whole thing is and he is still here defending it all the way, if he is not Hogan himself he must be some other looser from society.

    Hogan the arrogant prk will be forced to make a U-turn and I along with many others will be laughing at him! Complete joke


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    #6618
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Kettle. Pot. Black.:D

    No! You're the stool of Government! :rolleyes:


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    #6619
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    I got an email the other day about the household charge... straight into junk mail ;)


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    #6620
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Why waste your time entertaining morons?? He still asks for reasons why this tax is wrong, all he has to do is read some of the 6000+ posts.

    Whats even more sad is the fact even some FG td's admits its a shambles, check out latest news there are many comments from unions, td's and journalists at how ridiculous the whole thing is and he is still here defending it all the way, if he is not Hogan himself he must be some other looser from society.

    Hogan the arrogant prk will be forced to make a U-turn and I along with many others will be laughing at him! Complete joke

    Not a single compelling argument against property tax over the course of this thread - depressing.


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    #6621
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    OK Mr. Pedantic. Stooge. Understand now? Or will it take another hour for stuff to sink in as usual?:D

    I was sure it was going to be 'tool'.


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    #6622
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alastair wrote: »
    Careful now - some here can't get their head around the concept of wealth in property.

    Unbelievalbe how you see a 300k mortgage on a house worth 200k, as wealth.

    And when the owner pays off 110k, the equity could be 10k.

    So a return of 10k for an input of 100k = wealth.

    Baffling.


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    #6623
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    alastair wrote: »
    I read something about backseat mods alright.

    But the knowledge went in one ear and out the other rather fast. (Knowledge obviously travels fast in a vacuum).

    You have a tendency to want to lay down rules here (as well as in the real world).


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    #6624
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Unbelievalbe how you see a 300k mortgage on a house worth 200k, as wealth.

    And when the owner pays off 110k, the equity could be 10k.

    So a return of 10k for an input of 100k = wealth.

    Baffling.

    Ah now - we already knew you just don't get it. Don't you have some voluntary CGT to pay?


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    #6625
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Unbelievable how you see a 300k mortgage on a house worth 200k, as wealth.

    Who sees a 300k mortgage on a 200k house as wealth?!

    Lemme guess.....:rolleyes:


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    #6626
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,508 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    Ah now - we already knew you just don't get it. Don't you have some voluntary CGT to pay?

    Do you hold your head to one side like Enda does when he gets thick ?


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    #6627
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    alastair wrote: »
    Not a single compelling argument against property tax over the course of this thread - depressing.

    How is RTE these days?


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    #6628
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Unbelievalbe how you see a 300k mortgage on a house worth 200k, as wealth.

    And when the owner pays off 110k, the equity could be 10k.

    So a return of 10k for an input of 100k = wealth.

    Baffling.

    They have some nerve asking us to pay tax on something some people dont even own!!


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    #6629
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    alastair wrote: »
    'stool of the Government'?

    The mind boggles.

    I think he means "stooge". Which notion leaves my mind completely unboggled. :cool:


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    #6630
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alastair wrote: »
    Ah now - we already knew you just don't get it. Don't you have some voluntary CGT to pay?


    Tell me how 300k mortgage on a 200k house is wealth. go on, try break your arrogant nature, just for a few minutes. I put loads of commas in for you and all.

    Demonstrate how a mortgae itself has the negative equity. but the property has the positive equity like you claimed the other day?

    The simple answer is, you cant. You couldnt all the other times i asked. And you still cant. And thats your final analysis, is it not?


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    #6631
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    They have some nerve asking us to pay tax on something some people dont even own!!

    I think you'll find that it's only homeowners that are being taxed.


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