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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #5732
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Genuine question.

    If supposedly 1.6 million have not even registered and/or paid - even if then 0.6 million (and thats being optimistic I think) do pay up - processing and chasing one million people surely is going to create a nightmare scenario for some government departments - and not just one?
    Is someone, somewhere is going to have mental breakdown doing and keeping track of it all or even part of it?

    Its surely going to be a logistical nightmare between departments, the issuing of hundreds of thousands of court orders for money to be seized fron sourse, etc?
    The processing departments in over-time and solicitors of the country alone, are going to have a field-day!
    "Merry Christmas lads and lassies" - its come early for you!


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    #5733
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    About three weeks ago I predicted 58% would pay. And posted that prediction here. I haven't changed my mind since.

    Great, I have a shovel here in case you wish to dig a bigger hole for youself......58% eh? now, lets see......cut.........and........paste..:D


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    #5734
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    About three weeks ago I predicted 58% would pay. And posted that prediction here. I haven't changed my mind since.

    I doubt that figure will pay up. I doubt even half the PS workers will pay.


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    #5735
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    greenpilot wrote: »
    11 days of false propaganda ahead. The head of the "Household Charge Collection Agency," Jackie Maguire has been peddling statistics like there is no tomorrow. She thinks that over 1.4 million households will register before the end of March. Here are some interesting details:

    1. Jackie Maguire (JM) says the household charge website activity is up 2 fold
    FACT :The site traffic is in decline month on month
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/householdcharge.ie#

    alexa is like the TAM or JNLR of web traffic. external audience size
    sampling based on browser toolbar user stats.

    2. JM says that registrations have seen “significant increase over the last
    ten days”
    not true

    average day rate prior to Feb 20th was 2115
    average day rate 20 – 27 Feb was 2937

    That is a 0.3 fold increase. which is not significant.

    3. JM & morning ireland talk of 1.6M needing to register. but
    previously JM said and knows it is 1.8M
    so they are not 1.4M off the total they are 1.66M off

    4. JM says general trend is upward. true. but it only amounts to 30%
    increase on extremely flat figures.
    if there was a 1000% increase (ten fold) from now to March 31st then
    there would still be 700,000 not registered.
    And right now they have a 30% increase.

    Projected non registered at current rate is 1,596,562 source
    http://cahwt.net/calc/

    ***

    Don't give into the FG-Labour hype and propaganda. You saw where that got you in the last election.

    Special exemptions to pay advisers €150,000 a year, Ruairi Quinn fiddling his mileage expenses, James Reilly paying €604 on coffee machines for his offic as outlined here:

    James Reilly spent €624 of taxpayers’ money on two deluxe Bewley’s coffee machines — one for each of his offices. One has been installed in his office in the health department at Hawkins House while the other sits in his Leinster House rooms.

    His spokesman said the minister needed the machines because he worked long hours and the Dáil restaurant and department canteen were not always open.

    * He has received tax breaks for maintaining his 13-bed family mansion in Co Offaly. He received tax breaks for six years running to help pay for renovations to the three-storey Laughton House, which is surrounded by 150 acres of farm and woodland.

    Oh and by the way, the chairman of the RTÉ board is Tom Savage. Tom who is married to Terry Prone and is Anton Savage of Today FM's Dad is also a director of "The Communications Clinic."

    "So what" you might say.

    Well, here's what:

    James Reilly, the health minister, paid a public relations company €15,000 for advice on health reform as well as for speech writing advice, his office confirmed.

    He paid the money last year to the Communications Clinic, whose directors are PR consultant Terry Prone and Tom Savage, the chairman of the RTÉ board.


    **

    I wonder if the Chairman of the board of RTÉ worries about whether or not a customer of his is criticised on RTÉ programmes?

    I wonder if Terry Prone is nervous of criticising a valued customer of hers in her columns in the Examiner or when she is giving her expert opinion on various RTÉ programmes?

    Vote NO to the household charge and stop funding this casino.

    By the way, thanks to Miko for all the above info...:D


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    #5736
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    greenpilot wrote: »
    11 days of false propaganda ahead. The head of the "Household Charge Collection Agency," Jackie Maguire has been peddling statistics like there is no tomorrow. She thinks that over 1.4 million households will register before the end of March. Here are some interesting details:

    1. Jackie Maguire (JM) says the household charge website activity is up 2 fold
    FACT :The site traffic is in decline month on month
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/householdcharge.ie#

    alexa is like the TAM or JNLR of web traffic. external audience size
    sampling based on browser toolbar user stats.

    2. JM says that registrations have seen “significant increase over the last
    ten days”
    not true

    average day rate prior to Feb 20th was 2115
    average day rate 20 – 27 Feb was 2937

    That is a 0.3 fold increase. which is not significant.

    3. JM & morning ireland talk of 1.6M needing to register. but
    previously JM said and knows it is 1.8M
    so they are not 1.4M off the total they are 1.66M off

    4. JM says general trend is upward. true. but it only amounts to 30%
    increase on extremely flat figures.
    if there was a 1000% increase (ten fold) from now to March 31st then
    there would still be 700,000 not registered.
    And right now they have a 30% increase.

    Projected non registered at current rate is 1,596,562 source
    http://cahwt.net/calc/

    ***

    Don't give into the FG-Labour hype and propaganda. You saw where that got you in the last election.

    Special exemptions to pay advisers €150,000 a year, Ruairi Quinn fiddling his mileage expenses, James Reilly paying €604 on coffee machines for his offic as outlined here:

    James Reilly spent €624 of taxpayers’ money on two deluxe Bewley’s coffee machines — one for each of his offices. One has been installed in his office in the health department at Hawkins House while the other sits in his Leinster House rooms.

    His spokesman said the minister needed the machines because he worked long hours and the Dáil restaurant and department canteen were not always open.

    * He has received tax breaks for maintaining his 13-bed family mansion in Co Offaly. He received tax breaks for six years running to help pay for renovations to the three-storey Laughton House, which is surrounded by 150 acres of farm and woodland.

    Oh and by the way, the chairman of the RTÉ board is Tom Savage. Tom who is married to Terry Prone and is Anton Savage of Today FM's Dad is also a director of "The Communications Clinic."

    "So what" you might say.

    Well, here's what:

    James Reilly, the health minister, paid a public relations company €15,000 for advice on health reform as well as for speech writing advice, his office confirmed.

    He paid the money last year to the Communications Clinic, whose directors are PR consultant Terry Prone and Tom Savage, the chairman of the RTÉ board.


    **

    I wonder if the Chairman of the board of RTÉ worries about whether or not a customer of his is criticised on RTÉ programmes?

    I wonder if Terry Prone is nervous of criticising a valued customer of hers in her columns in the Examiner or when she is giving her expert opinion on various RTÉ programmes?

    Vote NO to the household charge and stop funding this casino.





    Now this deserves post of the day!

    You couldn't make it up!:D


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    #5737
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Now this deserves part of the day!

    You couldn't make it up!:D


    Ah jesus no,sure its all made up and fabricated.Its all "lies lies lies" and the various newspapers who published the story are all telling lies too.

    Theres no way any goverment minister would use tax payers money and waste it like that and use HSE credit cards to run up massive bills too.Oh and lets not forget over 1200 euro on Dublin Port tunnel use at peak times (10 euro a go),even though he has a ministerial car and driver that can use the bus lanes 24/7.

    Minister James O'Rielly is a role model of a TD.:D

    Well thats what all the Enda fans here like to think and pedal.Just like the household charge wont fail and we will all be caught for non payment.:rolleyes:


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    #5738
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Now this deserves post of the day!
    Well you would say that, wouldn't you :pac::pac:


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    #5739
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Every household in the country should spend this years and next years property tax on one of them coffee machines. Loads of jobs created in bewleys making them as well.


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    #5740
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Every household in the country should spend this years and next years propoerty tax on one of them coffee machines. Loads of jobs created in bewleys making them as well.



    ROFL.:D


    Ah sure then you will have Minister Bruton on the news "claiming" that he made those jobs happen.:rolleyes::rolleyes:


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    #5741
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    dvpower wrote: »
    Well you would say that, wouldn't you :pac::pac:

    30 days of false propaganda ahead. The head of the "Household Charge Collection Agency," Jackie Maguire has been peddling statistics like there is no tomorrow. She thinks that over 1.4 million households will register before the end of March. Here are some interesting details:

    1. Jackie Maguire (JM) says the household charge website activity is up 2 fold
    FACT :The site traffic is in decline month on month
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/householdcharge.ie#

    alexa is like the TAM or JNLR of web traffic. external audience size
    sampling based on browser toolbar user stats.

    2. JM says that registrations have seen “significant increase over the last
    ten days”
    not true

    average day rate prior to Feb 20th was 2115
    average day rate 20 – 27 Feb was 2937

    That is a 0.3 fold increase. which is not significant.

    3. JM & morning ireland talk of 1.6M needing to register. but
    previously JM said and knows it is 1.8M
    so they are not 1.4M off the total they are 1.66M off

    4. JM says general trend is upward. true. but it only amounts to 30%
    increase on extremely flat figures.
    if there was a 1000% increase (ten fold) from now to March 31st then
    there would still be 700,000 not registered.
    And right now they have a 30% increase.

    Projected non registered at current rate is 1,596,562 source
    http://cahwt.net/calc/

    ***

    Don't give into the FG-Labour hype and propaganda. You saw where that got you in the last election.

    Special exemptions to pay advisers €150,000 a year, Ruairi Quinn fiddling his mileage expenses, James Reilly paying €604 on coffee machines for his offic as outlined here:

    James Reilly spent €624 of taxpayers’ money on two deluxe Bewley’s coffee machines — one for each of his offices. One has been installed in his office in the health department at Hawkins House while the other sits in his Leinster House rooms.

    His spokesman said the minister needed the machines because he worked long hours and the Dáil restaurant and department canteen were not always open.

    * He has received tax breaks for maintaining his 13-bed family mansion in Co Offaly. He received tax breaks for six years running to help pay for renovations to the three-storey Laughton House, which is surrounded by 150 acres of farm and woodland.

    Oh and by the way, the chairman of the RTÉ board is Tom Savage. Tom who is married to Terry Prone and is Anton Savage of Today FM's Dad is also a director of "The Communications Clinic."

    "So what" you might say.

    Well, here's what:

    James Reilly, the health minister, paid a public relations company €15,000 for advice on health reform as well as for speech writing advice, his office confirmed.

    He paid the money last year to the Communications Clinic, whose directors are PR consultant Terry Prone and Tom Savage, the chairman of the RTÉ board.


    **

    I wonder if the Chairman of the board of RTÉ worries about whether or not a customer of his is criticised on RTÉ programmes?

    I wonder if Terry Prone is nervous of criticising a valued customer of hers in her columns in the Examiner or when she is giving her expert opinion on various RTÉ programmes?

    Vote NO to the household charge and stop funding this casino.

    Its worth rubbing DV's nose in this one.........Hold fast people, dont be swayed by lies


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    #5742
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    dvpower wrote: »
    Well you would say that, wouldn't you :pac::pac:


    You havent got a leg to stand on,and you are unable to answer any hard facts that anyone gives you.:rolleyes:

    So why are you still even here??

    Oh yeah,I forgot,you being an Enda Fan, are in complete and utter denial.

    ROFL at all your posts.


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    #5743
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Ah jesus no,sure its all made up and fabricated.Its all "lies lies lies" and the various newspapers who published the story are all telling lies too.

    Theres no way any goverment minister would use tax payers money and waste it like that and use HSE credit cards to run up massive bills too.Oh and lets not forget over 1200 euro on Dublin Port tunnel use at peak times (10 euro a go),even though he has a ministerial car and driver that can use the bus lanes 24/7.

    Minister James O'Rielly is a role model of a TD.:D

    Well thats what all the Enda fans here like to think and pedal.Just like the household charge wont fail and we will all be caught for non payment.:rolleyes:


    Indeed - and as posted in number post 5426: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77662946&postcount=5426

    Our health minister knows how to spend our money! :(


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    #5744
    kepler_johan
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭kepler_johan


    http://www.moneyguideireland.com/household-charge-property-tax-more-details.html
    The liability date for 2012 is January 1st - and households will have three months to pay before Late payment penalties apply as follows :

    Payments made within 3 and 6 months of January 2012 – a 10% penalty.
    Payments made between 6 and 12 months late – a 20% penalty.
    Payments more than 12 months late – a 30% penalty plus 1% interest per month

    So – if someone is 12 months late paying the €100 household charge – they will owe €130 plus another €12 interest – a total of €142.

    Based on that, I'm going to hang on and NOT pay the household tax in the hopes that enough people won't pay either and this is a resounding failure. If I am forced to pay, it's not going to be much more after 6 or 12 months.

    I could pay, but damn it I'm paying enough already for other peoples mistakes and greed during the Celtic Tiger days and will be for the rest of my days. Only thing I did do was buy a house to raise my family. That house is now in negative equity, and we are stuck with it. Now the government says I've to pay tax on it, (wasn't that the stamp duty??) and to rub salt into the wound I've to GO TO THEM TO REGISTER TO PAY IT!!! Are you kidding me??

    It is death by a thousand cuts, if you are stupid enough to try to be an honest hard working person in this country. Maybe I should lose my job, go on the dole for the first time in my life and get a council house handed to me. Yeah, I'm sure that not exactly how it works, but then again I don't know how to fiddle the system.

    I was also wondering is those people in Priory Hall also have to pay, just to kick them when they are down?


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    #5745
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    paddy147 wrote: »
    You havent got a leg to stand on.

    Thats me your thinking of paddy:D:D


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    #5746
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    I might place a "100 euro" bet with Paddy Powers on the FG Ard Fheis being stormed by the protestors.

    Wonder what odds Id get for that????:D


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    #5747
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    kepler_johan wrote: »
    http://www.moneyguideireland.com/household-charge-property-tax-more-details.html



    Based on that, I'm going to hang on and NOT pay the household tax in the hopes that enough people won't pay either and this is a resounding failure. If I am forced to pay, it's not going to be much more after 6 or 12 months.
    There is also a potential €2500 fine to consider.


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    #5748
    D_murph
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    So now they claim that the are going to try and take the household charge from your wages/dole or bank account etc?

    They were not even able to take the fines from these 540 people for not paying their TV/dog/etc licences...

    http://46.51.155.42/hundreds-jailed-over-tv-licence-dog-licence-and-parking-fines-145849-May2011/

    ..so how do they plan to go after a million people for not paying this charge? Are they going to use the same "outdated computer system" to catch us all :D?


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    #5749
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    dvpower wrote: »
    There is also a potential €2500 fine to consider.


    Im sure we are all quaking in our boots with that post of yours.:rolleyes:

    Oh god no,I must pay Enda Kenny his 100 euro now.

    I DONT THINK SO.:D





    Dont you get it???

    No one cares what you post or what you have to say on the matter.

    1.2 million householders couldnt give a rats ar5e what you have to say.


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    #5750
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Im sure we are all quaking in our boots with that post of yours.

    Oh god no,I must pay Enda Kenny his 100 euro now.





    Dont you get it???

    No one cares what you post or what you have to say on the matter.

    1.2 million householders couldnt give a rats ar5e what you have to say.

    If you dont care about DVpower, do what hundreds have done already...put him on the ignore list...which is where he is going now...


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    #5751
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    greenpilot wrote: »
    If you dont care about DVpower, do what hundreds have done already...put him on the ignore list...which is where he is going now...


    Hundreds??....Dont you mean what "1.2 million" households have done (as in IGNORE).:D:D


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    #5752
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    greenpilot wrote: »
    If you dont care about DVpower, do what hundreds have done already...put him on the ignore list...which is where he is going now...

    Echo ... Echo ... Echo ...
    :D


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    #5753
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    dvpower wrote: »
    Echo ... Echo ... Echo ...
    :D


    Better go and ask "Enda" to open up a FG bar tab in the dail bar,so that you and the rest of them and go and drown your sorrrows on April 1st and ask each other
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    "where did it all go wrong then".



    Or maybe James O'Rielly might throw the HSE credit card accross the dail bar and say "put it on that"


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    #5754
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    dvpower wrote: »
    You haven't been paying attention... (people were complaining about me doing the selective quoting, not the other way around)

    Yes I have. You were whinging about being selectively quoted, when I quoted two of your posts that also completely contradicted each other(but you seem to think they were completely consistant), asking which it was. In one you said you weren't arguing for a property tax, but in the other you said you thought they were a good idea. I suppose you'll be looking for a link.
    dvpower wrote: »
    ...even to the national news.

    WTF.???? Can't you answer the question?.


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    #5755
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    dvpower wrote: »
    There is also a potential €2500 fine to consider.
    http://hall.hdfillms.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/3d-movie-glasses.jpg


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    #5756
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Slick50 wrote: »
    WTF.???? Can't you answer the question?.
    What question do you want answered?


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    #5757
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    dvpower wrote: »
    Echo ... Echo ... Echo ...
    :D

    Finally...he posts what's actually going on in his head :D


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    #5758
    kepler_johan
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭kepler_johan


    dvpower wrote: »
    There is also a potential €2500 fine to consider.

    Key word there is "potential"...

    I'd refer you to this website...
    http://nohouseholdtax.org/your-questions-answered/

    in particular Question 5.
    5. What are the possible consequences if I don’t register?

    The legislation allows for a fine of up to €2,500 for failing to register by 31st March. But this is not an automatic fine. Under the legislation people who don’t register have to be brought to court and have a case proved against them that they did not register. This is where the importance of building a mass campaign comes in. The government wants 1.8 million households to register by the end of March. But imagine the situation if a million plus households do not register. It would be absolutely impossible for them to take a million people to court.
    And just as we did during the campaign against water charges in Dublin in the 1990s, the campaign will organise legal representation for anyone who is taken to court. By challenging each case, we can ensure that the system becomes completely clogged up. As also happened during the campaign against water charges, if someone in an area is taken to court we can organise to ensure that hundreds of fellow non-payers turn up to support them.

    I think I'm good...


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    #5759
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Interesting and insightful post in the politics discussion on same topic. It speaks for itself. We pay more so that they can maintain current salaries and pensions.

    Good loser wrote: »
    As a public sector pensioner I also agree.

    What amazes me about this household charge is how many public servants and social welfare recipients oppose it for all sorts of spurious and contradictory reasons.

    Surely all public servants/social werfares should favour all tax raising measures as the only alternative is - ultimately - cutting their salaries, pensions and benefits.

    Remember FF, FG and Labour favoured this property tax in the last election. It's democratic.


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    #5760
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    What question do you want answered?

    Would you agree that the current govt is, but a fanny hair off declaring war on its own citizens with its latest bully boy tactics?

    If its against the law, we'll change the fcuking law Edna!



    when those who make the law, break the law, their is no law!


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    #5761
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    kepler_johan wrote: »
    Key word there is "potential"...

    I'd refer you to this website...
    http://nohouseholdtax.org/your-questions-answered/

    in particular Question 5.



    I think I'm good...
    Yeah. Its only a potential cost, as I said.

    Big claim from the No campaign in the second paragraph - that they will organise legal representation for anyone brought to court. I wonder how they plan on financing this. Maybe they mean that they will phone a lawyer for you.


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