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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #4412
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    smash wrote: »
    You honestly believe that? It costs circa €100 for a solicitor to type a letter let alone actually deal with presenting a legal order.
    A solicitor's letter isn't a legal document. You don't need them. What they do is they get their legal department to draft a standard wording for an initial letter and then a second warning letter. Then you send them out at a cost of around 50c a pop.

    Once they start receiving letters addressed directly to them, people will run scared and pay up. They only have the balls to not pay this for as long as they think they're part of a big anonymous group. Separate and identify them and they **** themselves. This will bring payment rates up to about 85%, which is typical for most taxes.

    For the final 15% you employ a TV licence style setup where you employ five or six guys on €40k a year to drive up to the 250,000 households in arrears and doorstep them.


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    #4413
    golfwallah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭golfwallah


    smash wrote: »
    They announced "We will not tax people's income any more", so instead they'll just tax everything else. There's a breaking point, and to a lot of people this is it. Why touch people's homes? Why not add a gambling tax or an extra €1 on cigarettes and make 50x what the household tax will bring in?

    Don't worry ..... I'm sure these options are being looked at as well.

    At the end of the day, the Government are committed to sorting out the financial state of the country. That's the mandate they were give just over a year ago.

    Hopefully they will succeed for everyone's sake.

    It's all very well complaining from the sidelines, but the people in power have to act responsibly and do the best they can ..... whatever people say about it. They weren't elected to be popular.

    Anyone given the same responsibility would have to inform themselves about the issues and then act to deal with them.

    But heck, you seem to know an awful lot about all this stuff, so why not call their bluff and go up for election yourself?


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    #4414
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Her's the type of letter you can expect popping through your letter box.
    Registration Number(s):
    Taxpayer’s Name
    Address.
    Re: Arrears of Tax

    Dear Sir/Madam,
    I hereby demand payment of €xxxx in respect of arrears of tax. A schedule detailing the amount due is attached. You are also hereby notified that interest on the amounts due has been accruing from the due dates shown, at the appropriate rate.

    Failing payment within 7 days you are notified that the amount in question may:
    be the subject of Court proceedings for recovery of the debt due
    [Sections 963 & 966 of the Taxes Consolidation Act 1997 refer;
    be referred to the Sheriff or County Registrar with a view, where necessary, to the seizure of goods to the value of the debt due and any fees and expenses due to the Sheriff/County Registrar,
     be the subject of a direction, as specified in a notice of attachment, to a third party who owes you money, to pay to Revenue rather than direct to you an amount equivalent to the amount due by you.
    [Section 1002 of the Taxes Consolidation Act, 1997 refers]

    Any such action will be taken without further warning.

    The amount of interest due up to the date of the Court hearing, or referral to the sheriff, or notice of attachment as appropriate, will be specified and that interest will be collected as if it were tax.

    You are advised that any further action taken may involve significant costs including professional fees. These costs must also be paid by you.

    Yours faithfully,
    ___________________
    p.p. Phil Hogan


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    #4415
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Here's what your employer might receive:
    Date:
    Name of Attachee (Employer):Auto populated
    Address of Attachee: Auto populated

    Dear Sir/Madam.
    Please note that the payments under the enclosed Notice of Attachment should be forwarded to:

    Caseworker’s Name
    Address of Office

    Cheques should be made payable to the Collector General.
    The Notice remains in place until either the specified amount is paid in full, or the Notice is formally revoked.

    Yours faithfully,
    ______________
    Caseworker
    Direct Dial:
    Fax:


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    #4416
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    The funny thing is only just over 12.5% registered, and like what someone already mentioned chances are most of these are exempt so its quite possible that only 1 or maybe 2% have actually paid.

    The scare tactics there using and the fact they are trying to twist the law to try force us to pay shows there desperation and now chances are they are getting as low to coming on to forums like boards to try convince us to pay. This hole thing gets funnier by the day


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    #4417
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Can I ask you if they brought a law in tomorrow that states you must take a lethal pill when you reach 70 as the state cant cope with the health care and need to reduce it drastically, would you gladly take the pill when you reach 70 and object to anyone that diasagrees with it because after all this is the law?
    Don't be silly. This is cloud cuckoo land stuff.


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    #4418
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    The funny thing is only just over 12.5% registered, and like what someone already mentioned chances are most of these are exempt so its quite possible that only 1 or maybe 2% have actually paid.
    More cloud cuckoo land nonsense.
    Mr CJ wrote: »
    The scare tactics there using and the fact they are trying to twist the law to try force us to pay shows there desperation and now chances are they are getting as low to coming on to forums like boards to try convince us to pay. This hole thing gets funnier by the day
    They do tend to use the law to collect legal taxes. I understand that some people are against this tax, but you are deluding yourself of you think that it won't be collected.
    You have a slight opportunity to defeat it before it gets off the ground, but if it does, then your going to end up paying it, with interest and penalties. Thinking that you can ignore it and somehow the authorities are going to just forget about you is delusional.


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    #4419
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    Don't be silly. This is cloud cuckoo land stuff.

    Its a valid question, so your unable to answer it?? Well there may be some hope after all!

    If certain powers succedded in wars this would be nothing compared to other laws they could bring in!


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    #4420
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    More cloud cuckoo land nonsense.

    Dvpower please prove your comment??


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    #4421
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Cme April 1st. Any TD that refused to pay will be the first ones issued with fines to try and make an example.


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    #4422
    golfwallah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭golfwallah


    smash wrote: »
    irrespective of any taxes, there should be no large scale increase in public spending. The money is needed to repay loans. If they want it, they should tax these luxuries/bad habits.

    They should do both - cut public spending and tax luxuries/bad habits.

    They've made a start but "Rome wasn't built in a day".

    Make no mistake about it, Government have the power they need to sort out the economy, it's not rocket science - all they have to do is bring income and expenditure more into line.

    But the jury is out on whether they have the will and courage to do it.


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    #4423
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Dvpower please prove your comment??
    Prove that the idea of a law being introduced tomorrow compelling people to commit suicide on their 70th birthday is cloud cuckoo land nonsense?

    That's self evident.
    I can hardly believe you want to pursue this line.


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    #4424
    skintiam
    Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭skintiam


    I think it's an unfair tax because it is imposed after people bought their houses, for anyone buying a house now or in the future they are aware of it before they buy and can make a decision of whether they want to pay it or not. You shouldn't be taxed on something you already own.

    Hopefully the charge/tax will only last as long as the current government and will be abolished after the next election along with them.


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    #4425
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    Prove that the idea of a law being introduced tomorrow compelling people to commit suicide on their 70th birthday is cloud cuckoo land nonsense?

    That's self evident.
    I can hardly believe you want to pursue this line.

    No, you seem confused with your own comments, prove that 1-2% have not paid?? If you cant back up what your saying I suggest you should go easy on your keyboard


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    #4426
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    prove that 1-2% have not paid and that there are not government members on this forum??
    I think you'll find that since you made the assertion, it's up to you to prove that only 1-2% have paid.

    I would be inclined to think that given the demographics who will generally be exempt from this household charge, they won't have bothered registering, and the vast majority of those who have registered are indeed people who have paid (or are liable).


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    #4427
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    skintiam wrote: »
    Hopefully the charge/tax will only last as long as the current government and will be abolished after the next election along with them.

    Once it's in, it wont go away.


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    #4428
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    seamus wrote: »
    I think you'll find that since you made the assertion, it's up to you to prove that only 1-2% have paid.

    I would be inclined to think that given the demographics who will generally be exempt from this household charge, they won't have bothered registering, and the vast majority of those who have registered are indeed people who have paid (or are liable).

    If you read my original post I said its quite possible that only 1-2% have only paid. Dvpower said this is nonsence so I am asking him to back up his comment


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    #4429
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    No, you seem confused with your own comments, prove that 1-2% have not paid?? If you cant back up what your saying I suggest you should go easy on your keyboard
    It was you that said that you think only 1-2% have paid. I think its up to you to prove it.

    There have been loads of news reports over the last few weeks putting the payment figures at way above 1-2% (around 14% currently). There hasn't been any indication whatsoever of payment figures between 1-2% - this is just made up nonsense.


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    #4430
    golfwallah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭golfwallah


    cowzerp wrote: »
    My house like most peoples is worth fook all compared to what we paid and what we owe for it-and then these chumps want a tax for the privilidge in us been trapped for probably our whole lives in a house that was meant to be a starter for us till we could move to a bigger nicer house etc

    We already pay for Bins which is basically a household charge and me and my partner are tax compliant and pay a fortune on taxes for to run our cars which we need for to work to pay more taxes.

    This is not about the 100 euro, its the principle

    I wish people would get some balls and just say NO, NO More ripping the piiss out of us.

    Tax the Bankers that got us in trouble, Legally look at getting money back from some of these Bankers who paiud themselves massive bonuses and wages, reduce the extortionate wages TD's are on, Increase income tax on the very high earners-cut down on the amount of TD's and stop givinmg mates pointless jobs in the seanad, We're a country of wimps that always bows down to been giving the bare minimum and been scammed

    The people who need it most are the people hardest hit, Millionaires will be paying the same 100 euro that poor people will, it's all a big joke.

    Can understand why you are pissed off and agree with most of what you say.

    Why not do something about your strongly held views - like become engaged in the political process and work on shaping the country's future?

    That's how democracy works - either opt in our stay out.

    But as George Lee found out, it ain't easy to change national policy overnight ... it takes lots of time and effort.

    Much easier to vent your grievances on an internet forum ... you'll feel better for it ..... but will it sort out the country's problems?


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    #4431
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    If you read my original post I said its quite possible that only 1-2% have only paid. Dvpower said this is nonsence so I am asking him to back up his comment


    I think it's quite possible that an invisible frog is currently sipping an expresso on my work desk.

    If you think this is nonsense, which of us should be under the obligation to prove it so?


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    #4432
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    The anti household charge campaign cannot bring the country to a halt.
    To suggest it could is fanciful nonsence.

    If there was a mass campaign by householders to delay paying their mortgages, utilities etc for only 2/3 months then there would definitely be a whole re-think on the issues.


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    #4433
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    dvpower wrote: »
    Here's what your employer might receive:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77592374&postcount=4415

    More threats and fearmongering from a goverment shill.

    The Taoiseach himself on 08 February 2012 in the Dáil stated that there is no legislation nor is there any legislation being contemplated which will allow any monies to be taken from anyone’s wages or social welfare payments in this regard. The Taoiseach added that there were Constitutional Issues which make the introduction of such legislation extremely difficult. If a change is to be made to the Constitution we the people of Ireland must vote to allow the change to be made.


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    #4434
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    It was you that said that you think only 1-2% have paid. I think its up to you to prove it.

    There have been loads of news reports over the last few weeks putting the payment figures at way above 1-2% (around 14% currently). There hasn't been any indication whatsoever of payment figures between 1-2% - this is just made up nonsense.

    Judging by the complete outrage and anger caused by this charge and the fact they have lied already on the figures that registered it is quite possible that out of the 12.5% that have registered only 1-2% have paid.
    This is a reasonable assumption now you say its complete nonsense so again ill ask you to prove it??


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    #4435
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    dvpower wrote: »
    There hasn't been any indication whatsoever of payment figures between 1-2% - this is just made up nonsense.

    YOU are making a claim - PROVE it!!
    Stop shirking and changing the subject and saying that others should prove this, that and the other.
    JEEZ!


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    #4436
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Judging by the complete outrage and anger caused by this charge and the fact they have lied already on the figures that registered it is quite possible that out of the 12.5% that have registered only 1-2% have registered.
    This is a reasonable assumption now you say its complete nonsense so again ill ask you to prove it??

    Joe Higgins had this to say about the numbers registered.
    Socialist Party leader Joe Higgins has claimed that many of those who have registered for the Household Charge to date will not have to pay it as they have an exemption from the payment.
    Figures revealed yesterday that 85% of households have not registered or paid the charge, which is due before 31 March.
    Speaking on Adhmhaidin on RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta, Deputy Higgins said that the figures were actually worse than the Government had indicated, as many of the 230,000 that had registered by yesterday afternoon were exempt from the payment

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0314/household.html

    People take your pick, would you believe Joe Higgins on the figures or the guy on the rte six news last night, who some might say has a vested Interest with spicing up the numbers.


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    #4437
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    Prove that the idea of a law being introduced tomorrow compelling people to commit suicide on their 70th birthday is cloud cuckoo land nonsense?

    That's self evident.
    I can hardly believe you want to pursue this line.

    It is hypothetical, I can understand how you would have difficulty with this

    But you still have not answered the question


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    #4438
    golfwallah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭golfwallah


    tayto lover wrote: »
    If there was a mass campaign by householders to delay paying their mortgages, utilities etc for only 2/3 months then there would definitely be a whole re-think on the issues.

    Definitely ..... and if my grannie had balls she'd be my granda.

    Householders aren't the type to engage in mass campaigns about issues like this.

    What kind of alternative universe are you people living in?


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    #4439
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Judging by the complete outrage and anger caused by this charge and the fact they have lied already on the figures that registered it is quite possible that out of the 12.5% that have registered only 1-2% have registered.
    There hasn't been complete outrage - there has been muted outrage.
    The opinion poll published a couple of weeks ago has the majority of people going to pay it.

    And the figures for registration is not 12.5% - its up over 14%.
    Mr CJ wrote: »
    This is a reasonable assumption now you say its complete nonsense so again ill ask you to prove it??
    Its not reasonable. If it was you'd be able to provide some reasoning.


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    #4440
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    stevedublin wrote: »
    YOU are making a claim - PROVE it!!
    Stop shirking and changing the subject and saying that others should prove this, that and the other.
    JEEZ!
    The official figures as reported all over the media put the figures for payment at well over 1-2%.
    There are NO official figures putting payment rates at 1-2%

    What kind of proof would be sufficient for you?


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    #4441
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    golfwallah wrote: »
    Householders aren't the type to engage in mass campaigns about issues like this.

    How do you define what type of person a householder is? :confused:
    dvpower wrote: »
    The official figures as reported all over the media put the figures for payment at well over 1-2%.
    There are NO official figures putting payment rates at 1-2%

    There are no official figures. Just figures that the news are told to say, that some TD's have disagreed with.


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