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Was the Republican campaign justifiable?

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    #782
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Believe what you like - it's part of the Irish character.

    This isn't even an insult. Try harder.


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    #783
    Sunnyisland
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    Alas the vicar isn't trendy anymore, It should be ignored.


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    #784
    Tiocfaidh Armani
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭Tiocfaidh Armani


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Show me where Stormont boundaries were gerrymandered and when 'one man, one vote' didn't apply at Stormont elections...

    Derry City.


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    #785
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    STORMONT
    I think you'll find you don't get to move any goalposts on this. Nobody singled out Stormont for a start. Secondly, a "Stormont" example already mentioned.
    Don't mistake me for some barstool republican or otherwise. What I and others have mentioned is no myth and no secret.


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    #786
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Believe what you like - it's part of the Irish character.

    Please explain this remark.


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    #787
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Gerry Adams has been using big posh hotels in America. Doesn't sound very socialist to me. Something I have heard many Socialist Republicans are upset about.

    He should release a statement and apologise IMO.


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    #788
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Gerry Adams has been using big posh hotels in America. Doesn't sound very socialist to me. Something I have heard many Socialist Republicans are upset about.

    He should release a statement and apologise IMO.

    We socialist republicans are touched that you care for our feelings, Keith.


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    #789
    Tiocfaidh Armani
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭Tiocfaidh Armani


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Gerry Adams has been using big posh hotels in America. Doesn't sound very socialist to me. Something I have heard many Socialist Republicans are upset about.

    He should release a statement and apologise IMO.

    See if you've ever been to NYC, those hotels are not that great and nowhere near as described as 'posh' as the paper described. Go and try and find a cheap hotel in NYC and see what I mean.

    I'm no fan of his but that article was largely ****. Here's another article on it:
    Sometimes you have to laugh at the Sunday Independent in Ireland and their attempts to continuously denigrate Sinn Fein.

    Their latest effort comes today with a lurid story about Sinn Fein spending massive amounts of money in America on their annual fundraising efforts here.

    The two funniest descriptions are of the Astoria Manor in Queens, which everyone knows is a very basic down meat and potatoes outer borough catering hall where humble Irish organizations such as county associations pay about 100 dollars a plate for events


    This is transformed into the "luxurious elegance at affordable prices" Astoria Manor which will come as a great surprise to those of us who frequent the Irish dinners there every year. As the accompanying photograph shows it is hardly the Ritz.

    The other laughable one is the description of the Manhattan Club catering hall upstairs from Rosie O'Grady's as 'ultra swish'.

    It is an honest to goodness venue for many Irish organizations who cannot afford fancy Manhattan prices. To describe is as 'ultra swish' is downright hilarious.

    Then there's the dinners that Sinn Fein personel had at Bobby Van's the upmarket eatery.

    A quick check would have revealed that Bobby Van's is owned in part by Joe Smith, one of Sinn Fein's biggest suporters in the US and a Belfast native.

    Likewise with the Harbor Lights restaurant which is owned by the Delaney family, long time supporter of Gerry Adams.

    The Affinia or Sheraton Hotels where Sinn Fein personnel stay are decent mid market hotels in Manhattan, far from the depiction of them as luxurious.

    As usual the devil is in the details in these stories

    http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/people_and_politics/irish-media-claims-that-sinn-fein-live-it-up-in-the-us-are-far-off-the-mark-135819718.html




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    #790
    Sunnyisland
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Gerry Adams has been using big posh hotels in America. Doesn't sound very socialist to me. Something I have heard many Socialist Republicans are upset about.

    He should release a statement and apologise IMO.




    ;) Indeed,sure its far from posh hotels in America he was reared,But I did hear he was well aversed to drop into the Europa hotel every so often back in the day.;) Maybe he got the bug from that.:)


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    #791
    trendyvicar
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    I think you'll find you don't get to move any goalposts on this. Nobody singled out Stormont for a start. Secondly, a "Stormont" example already mentioned.
    Don't mistake me for some barstool republican or otherwise. What I and others have mentioned is no myth and no secret.

    Oh poor little Irishman has slipped in his own bullsh*t

    Post 770
    Show me where Stormont boundaries were gerrymandered and when 'one man, one vote' didn't apply at Stormont elections...

    I suggest in future you keep your mouth shut to avoid further embarrassment. Or read the relevant posts first.


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    #792
    trendyvicar
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    K-9 wrote: »
    You were asked for a link to show NI was subject to self determination. You haven't provided it, some link to the Government of Ireland act that says nothing of the kind. You thought you'd get away with that one! ;)

    The ability was within the act to pass simultaneous legislation North and South of the border with the hope that an All Ireland parliament would emerge. Said parliament would have a Nationalist majority capable of achieving Irish independence. All this would be subject to Stormont's initiation.

    Can I ask what age you are K-9 and what knowledge you have of any of these areas? I ask this because you appear to be outside of your comfort zone...


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    #793
    trendyvicar
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    Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »
    Derry City.

    Prove it.

    And for f*ck sake remember we're discussing Stormont not the local council.


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    #794
    KeithAFC
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    realies wrote: »
    ;) Indeed,sure its far from posh hotels in America he was reared,But I did hear he was well aversed to drop into the Europa hotel every so often back in the day.;) Maybe he got the bug from that.:)
    Don't know if there is supposed to be some sort of joke in that but go on some of the Republican forums and they are laughing at Gerry Adams and his hypocrisy.


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    #795
    Sunnyisland
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Don't know if there is supposed to be some sort of joke in that but go on some of the Republican forums and they are laughing at Gerry Adams and his hypocrisy.


    Thanks for letting me know :)


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    #796
    Nodin
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    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Oh poor little Irishman has slipped in his own bullsh*t

    Post 770



    I suggest in future you keep your mouth shut to avoid further embarrassment. Or read the relevant posts first.


    Would you care to explain your earlier remark here
    Believe what you like - it's part of the Irish character.


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    #797
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Oh poor little Irishman has slipped in his own bullsh*t

    Post 770



    I suggest in future you keep your mouth shut to avoid further embarrassment. Or read the relevant posts first.
    No bull. No slip. Try reading what is posted instead of subjectively cherry-picking.


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    #798
    trendyvicar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭trendyvicar


    JustinDee wrote: »
    No bull. No slip. Try reading what is posted instead of subjectively cherry-picking.

    Not feeling so clever now are we my little leprechaun?

    Next time read the relevant section of the thread before opening your mouth.


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    #799
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Not feeling so clever now are we my little leprechaun?

    Next time read the relevant section of the thread before opening your mouth.
    Quit the insults. Not a brave thing willy-wagging behind the cushion of an anonymous internet moniker. I'm not little for a start or a 'leprechaun' and pointed out example of gerrymandering which was a major root of the problems in NI, as did another poster, with whom I disagree on almost everything in other threads, of gerrymandering at a broader level.
    Selective questions such as yours change nothing of what happened.
    Like I suggested, don't assume.


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    K-9
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    trendyvicar wrote: »
    The ability was within the act to pass simultaneous legislation North and South of the border with the hope that an All Ireland parliament would emerge. Said parliament would have a Nationalist majority capable of achieving Irish independence. All this would be subject to Stormont's initiation.

    But irrelevant after the Free State became a Republic. Its within the context of devolved Government with representation in Westminster, a very different scenario to self determination now and well you know it.. So I ask again, how did NI have self determination as regards a United Ireland?
    Can I ask what age you are K-9 and what knowledge you have of any of these areas? I ask this because you appear to be outside of your comfort zone...

    I don't see how my age is relevant, late 30's, what is your age?

    My knowledge? Pretty decent. My comfort zone? What do you mean?

    Its a shame O'Neill was just too much out of the comfort zone for so many Unionists.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #801
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Not feeling so clever now are we my little leprechaun?

    Next time read the relevant section of the thread before opening your mouth.

    You still haven't explained this -

    Believe what you like - it's part of the Irish character.


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    #802
    trendyvicar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭trendyvicar


    Nodin wrote: »
    You still haven't explained this -

    I'd have thought it was self explanatory...


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    #803
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    I'd have thought it was self explanatory...

    Were that the case, I wouldn't be asking. If you would.....


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    #804
    nesf
    Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Not feeling so clever now are we my little leprechaun?

    Next time read the relevant section of the thread before opening your mouth.

    Good bye.


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    #805
    J Cheever Loophole
    Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    maccored wrote: »
    I'll say one thing - the propaganda you were fed seems to have worked alright.

    Propaganda?

    Not so! It's in the breeding.

    As a true loyal son of Ulster...I mean ULSTER! .....the absolute disdain / thinly disguised hatred shown for all things Irish / Nationalist / Republican, is heart felt and genuinely held.

    Trying to enter into any meaningful debate here is a futile exercise.


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    #806
    pbowenroe
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭pbowenroe


    the provos wanted the brits off the streets, but it was them keeping them on the streets


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    #807
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Not feeling so clever now are we my little leprechaun?

    You can always tell when someone is losing an argument by the insults they come out with.


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    Tiocfaidh Armani
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭Tiocfaidh Armani


    trendyvicar wrote: »
    Not feeling so clever now are we my little leprechaun?

    Next time read the relevant section of the thread before opening your mouth.


    And the mask slips...


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    #809
    LordSutch
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    maccored wrote: »
    You can always tell when someone is losing an argument by the insults they come out with.

    Well to be fair, the whole premise of this thread is insulting! The OP asks a provocative & insulting question guaranteed to get the blood boiling "Was the Republican campaign justifiable" > Of course it wasn't bloody justifiable, but the OP (knowing full well that this question would directly feed the Republican appetite) asks the question anyway . . .

    If you look at the catalogue of Atrocities perpetrated by militant Republicanism (PIRA/INLA) then no right minded Irish pesron could argue that all those pub bombings, bus bombings, car bombings, and grisly murders were justifiable. With the amount of personal loss relating to some posters here, this whole question was always going to offend and get peoples backs up, and personally speaking, I'm not sure that hurtful threads like this one should be allowed to rub salt into the wounds.

    The Republican campaign of death & destruction certainly was not justifiable.


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    #810
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Well to be fair, the whole premise of this thread is insulting! The OP asks a provocative & insulting question guaranteed to get the blood boiling "Was the Republican campaign justifiable" > Of course it wasn't bloody justifiable, but the OP (knowing full well that this question would directly feed the Republican appetite) asks the question anyway . . .

    If you look at the catalogue of Atrocities perpetrated by militant Republicanism (PIRA/INLA) then no right minded Irish pesron could argue that all those pub bombings, bus bombings, car bombings, and grisly murders were justifiable. With the amount of personal loss relating to some posters here, this whole question was always going to offend and get peoples backs up, and personally speaking, I'm not sure that hurtful threads like this one should be allowed to rub salt into the wounds.

    The Republican campaign of death & destruction certainly was not justifiable.

    i think the OP was just asking a question. I also think it says a lot about a person if they see it as insulting. as we all know, theres two sides to every story, and the other side of this particular story was just as bad.


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    #811
    LordSutch
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    maccored wrote: »
    i think the OP was just asking a question. I also think it says a lot about a person if they see it as insulting. as we all know, theres two sides to every story, and the other side of this particular story was just as bad.

    And you are talking from your side . . . .

    Either way, the wounds are still raw, and the subject matter is bound to get peoples blood boiling, bombs were planted & people were murdered in the name of Irish people, many people were blown to pieces, and it was a sustained attack that had no mandate from the Irish people either, so I don't blame the banned poster for getting carried away, I blame the subject matter of this thread for inciting people.


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