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rugby · 08-12-2011 3:16pm

P.C.Plod wrote: »

I've been following these threads for a long time and I must I've never seen you be so positive rugby. I'm taking it as a good sign

You must not be following for too long as id say it was a year or two since I lasted posted,but heys cheers for the heads up. I'm sure you will have positive posts too share

Tommi78 · 08-12-2011 4:11pm

i dont know if its worth lookin too far into but on the GRA website about the new roster they had agreed on would have needed 3000 more gardai so the are renegotiating a different roster today.... obviously to feet the cloth of the lower numbers...

2wsxcde3 · 08-12-2011 9:45pm

Anyone see the 1 o clock news today? They had a piece on the numbers of public service employees that would be leaving before the end of feb. Brendan howlin said they only had to give 4 weeks notice that they wanted to retire. The piece didn't talk about guards but only seemed to mention teachers/hospital staff etc. But does this 4 week period of notice now apply to the gardai? Had they trouble getting the numbers down and this is a new development? Or does the 3 month period still hold for guards cos they would need more time to tidy things up in their job before leaving.

Lenn Brennan · 08-12-2011 9:46pm

One of my good mates went from a Dublin city centre station into traffic about a a year ago. He found out today traffic are seeing huge cuts and is being sent back to his original station

2wsxcde3 · 08-12-2011 9:52pm

Lenn Brennan wrote: »

One of my good mates went from a Dublin city centre station into traffic about a a year ago. He found out today traffic are seeing huge cuts and is being sent back to his original station

That could be because his job has been made partly redundant by the civilian operated speed vans which are paid for out of the garda budget.

C-J · 08-12-2011 9:57pm

Lenn Brennan wrote: »

One of my good mates went from a Dublin city centre station into traffic about a a year ago. He found out today traffic are seeing huge cuts and is being sent back to his original station

related to the abolishment of freeflow also I would imagine, though freeflow is traditionally regarding as a new recruits earliest traffic management experience. There are certain larger stations which have larger traffic corps divisions, a female family member is sergeant in traffic corps in the north west and they've suffered massive cut backs.

Lenn Brennan · 08-12-2011 9:58pm

Also, have you all seen the list of stations that will only be open restricted hours?? Howth, Malahide, Santry, Cabra, Sundrive rd., just to name a few. Madness. This could all help with publicity though, there is going to be uproar over all this.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget/over-thirty-garda-stations-to-close-in-latest-budget-moves-2954372.html

C-J · 08-12-2011 10:06pm

Also, the station due to close in loughglynn is currently undergoing a €100k remodel, they're totally gutting and refurbishing the place. While I agree with the closure of the stations in Mayo as they are very close to others that can easily service them, the one in loughglynn though is mind boggling to me!

Lenn Brennan · 08-12-2011 10:33pm

yeah it's crazy! there has to be a method to the madness though, this year has to be positive for us somehow! even an intake of 50 just to get it started!

spudz21 · 09-12-2011 10:16am

Public service to recruit 3000 new staff in 2012 focused on frontline areas:-):-):-):-)

axle foley · 09-12-2011 12:52pm

Dont mean to sound sceptical spudz but this sounds like a wind up to me....where did you find this information?? can you post the link??

spudz21 · 09-12-2011 1:01pm

axle foley wrote: »

Dont mean to sound sceptical spudz but this sounds like a wind up to me....where did you find this information?? can you post the link??

Hey axle......Irish independent......short article up on their website ,can't link it unfortunately
Hopefully not a wind up!!!!

thelongwait · 09-12-2011 1:19pm

Saw it too. Sounds good, even tho they don't mention gardaí, 3000 is alot! Fingeres crossed!

2wsxcde3 · 09-12-2011 4:09pm

Looks like the panel will prob be entering templemore next year.

limboninja · 09-12-2011 4:17pm

spudz21 wrote: »

Public service to recruit 3000 new staff in 2012 focused on frontline areas:-):-):-):-)

Tout this was a wind up tbh but turns out its true:D:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/public-service-to-recruit-3000-new-staff-in-2012-2959153.html

tweedledee · 09-12-2011 4:30pm

Not a chance guys, sorry to say, Shatter is gona cut the life out of the Gardai cause he can. Divide and conquer, he knows they are forbidden to go on strike, so its easy for him to make the cuts there.
Shatter has a lot of power now in his beedy little hands and he knows it. He shafted the Judges, he is trying to shaft the barristers and he will continue to shaft the pressed police services because FG rank crime control waaaay down the list in their priorities. Plus the rejection by the people of Ireland of the oireachtas powers didn't go down very well with the Justice Minister. In fact I heard he was livid.
The next few budgets are going to cut almost 2 billion out of the government spend in the next 2 years!!!!! Sadly this first FG budget is the first of 3 or 4 more even worse ones to come. You aint seen nothing yet.:(:(
Not many former Gardai or prison officers in the Dail but there are dozens of ex teachers, they will always get priority over other frontline services.

limboninja · 09-12-2011 4:43pm

I don't really agree with that. They MUST to recruit to keep the numbers at a level where the guards can function properly. The closure of the 30+ stations will inevitably lead to more crime in these areas as they will be seen as easy targets. An hike in the crime rate will drive people crazy....seen as they can recruit for the army and "special advisers" for government. Shatter and FG know that they are not above the power of the ballot and I believe people will respond just as angrily to their homes and streets being easier targets for criminals as they would to their wages being cut. I genuinely believe that we WILL be called in in the next 12 months to maintain the number of 13000(after retirements)....if a major riot occurred in Dublin like the ones we seen in London there would probebley be more rioters than guards on the streets which is a scary thing to think about....

2wsxcde3 · 09-12-2011 4:47pm

Yup next few budgets are going to be severe. They got approx $670 million this year alone simply by raising vat 2%. Noonan has promised not to rise it again in the lifetime of the government. It was an easy way to get so much money - they won't be able to take that option again.
They'll prob have to cut social welfare to get a decent slice like that again. Prob see that in the next budget.

WilcoOut · 09-12-2011 5:02pm

spudz21 wrote: »

Public service to recruit 3000 new staff in 2012 focused on frontline areas:-):-):-):-)

all for the passport office

axle foley · 09-12-2011 5:06pm

THE Government is to recruit 3,000 new staff into the public and civil service next year under plans to relax the recruitment embargo, writes Colm Kelpie.

With 9,000 public sector workers due to retire in 2012, Public Expenditure Minister Brendan Howlin told the Dail Public Accounts Committee yesterday he wanted to bring in new staff with select skills.

It is understood that recruitment will be focused on frontline areas including teachers and nurses, with a limited number of specialist personnel also being brought into the civil service

The fact that they didnt mention the guards here is pretty conclusive that we wont be included UNLESS there are more retirements between now and Feb. There is always hope considering guards that do retire now will keep their whole pention based on their 2009 salary which is a great incentive to bite the cherry. here's to wishful thinking!

2wsxcde3 · 10-12-2011 12:58am

What i find odd is that this wasn't mentioned in the budget. I'd have been shouting it from the hill tops if i was noonan. It didn't even make the news tonight. 3000 jobs is huge to create at any time - especially during a recession. Whats going on??

FGR · 10-12-2011 1:56am

2wsxcde3 wrote: »

What i find odd is that this wasn't mentioned in the budget. I'd have been shouting it from the hill tops if i was noonan. It didn't even make the news tonight. 3000 jobs is huge to create at any time - especially during a recession. Whats going on??

You forget that loud minority who will be onto Joe Duffy complaining that the Government are employing 3,000 more 'wasters' into the already 'overpaid and underworked' public service and this is 'atrocious considering how our country is bankrupt Joe!'. :rolleyes:

I don't believe they'll re-open the college until 2013 at the earliest. Besides that the Programme for Government still upholds an intent of having AGS brought back down to 12,000..which is less than the number back in 2002.

limboninja · 10-12-2011 6:08am

ForegoneReality wrote: »

You forget that loud minority who will be onto Joe Duffy complaining that the Government are employing 3,000 more 'wasters' into the already 'overpaid and underworked' public service and this is 'atrocious considering how our country is bankrupt Joe!'. :rolleyes:

I don't believe they'll re-open the college until 2013 at the earliest. Besides that the Programme for Government still upholds an intent of having AGS brought back down to 12,000..which is less than the number back in 2002.

As far as I know the actual number agreed in the EU/IMF package was 13000....12000 is just a number being thrown around by some of the Sunday newspapers from unofficial meetings!!! I've heard we would see a dose of blue flu before the numbers go to 12000!!!

shakin · 10-12-2011 6:13am

its shocking cold out in fairness!

Devil08 · 10-12-2011 5:23pm

ForegoneReality wrote: »

You forget that loud minority who will be onto Joe Duffy complaining that the Government are employing 3,000 more 'wasters' into the already 'overpaid and underworked' public service and this is 'atrocious considering how our country is bankrupt Joe!'. :rolleyes:

I don't believe they'll re-open the college until 2013 at the earliest. Besides that the Programme for Government still upholds an intent of having AGS brought back down to 12,000..which is less than the number back in 2002.

Good afternoon to you Joe

limboninja · 13-12-2011 3:05pm

Not really sure what to make of these stats...........any thoughts??

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c18.asp&TableName=Public+order+and+other+social+code+offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

C-J · 13-12-2011 3:18pm

limboninja wrote: »

Not really sure what to make of these stats...........any thoughts??

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c18.asp&TableName=Public+order+and+other+social+code+offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

the majority of offences on that list hit their peak before the recession hit. The majority (over 80%) of public order offences involve alcohol, and so the drastic decrease in statistics related to po offences is simply due to a vast decline in alcohol and drug consumption in this country due to the recession. Public order offences are still rife but down from their peak. Every single thing on that list relates to the recession. I have studied drug and alcohol addiction specifically for ags and the recession has had a major impact on our habits and our patterns of consumption. Firearm offences are also drastically down as drug gangs are feeling the pinch!

msg11 · 13-12-2011 3:19pm

limboninja wrote: »

Not really sure what to make of these stats...........any thoughts??

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c18.asp&TableName=Public+order+and+other+social+code+offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

As in, is the crime rate in the listed offences falling or less cases been recorded as a successful conviction? Well if crime is on the rise and the numbers are falling maybe less convictions.

You would need to compare the % rise in crime in them areas then compare the figures to each other.

I'm not 100% but that's the way I would look at it.

limboninja · 13-12-2011 5:50pm

C-J wrote: »

the majority of offences on that list hit their peak before the recession hit. The majority (over 80%) of public order offences involve alcohol, and so the drastic decrease in statistics related to po offences is simply due to a vast decline in alcohol and drug consumption in this country due to the recession. Public order offences are still rife but down from their peak. Every single thing on that list relates to the recession. I have studied drug and alcohol addiction specifically for ags and the recession has had a major impact on our habits and our patterns of consumption. Firearm offences are also drastically down as drug gangs are feeling the pinch!

I've seen a small and steady rise Trespass offences, Prostitution and a small but sharpish rise in Social code offences...and with the closure of 31 stations and phones not being answered at night surely they will just continue to rise as properties become easier targets for criminals?!?!

C-J · 13-12-2011 6:07pm

limboninja wrote: »

I've seen a small and steady rise Trespass offences, Prostitution and a small but sharpish rise in Social code offences...and with the closure of 31 stations and phones not being answered at night surely they will just continue to rise as properties become easier targets for criminals?!?!

Oh i definitely agree with this, but the majority of the stations closing that I know in my vicinity are very easily serviced by and very close to other larger better resourced stations or would have been serviced by one garda for a few hrs to do passports etc so closing it doesnt really make much of a difference. Sorry I tend to bring alcohol and drug addiction into most conversations as its my sphere of interest, but I do believe it is the basis of a lot of garda work

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