Do we ignore animal cruelty to suit us?

Oranage2 · 13-10-2011 9:39am #1

As the question asks, we have no problem ringing the Gardai when a dog or cat is being mistreated but what about other animals?

Pet fish for example - gold fish grow big and keeping them in small bowl stunts their growth. Also keep a dog in a cage theirs uproar but keep a foot long fish in a 2 footlong tank is ok?

Pet birds - usually left in a small cages

Also live stock - Does anybody know how they go from eating grass the being accompied by chips?

Warning pretty brutal

Mod note, this is actually very graphic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4

So as humans do we really care enough for animals?

Fighting Irish · 13-10-2011 9:40am

It's OK to be cruel to any animal we eat

KeithAFC · 13-10-2011 9:40am

Of course people do. People seem to think slaughter houses are nice places and the animals are killed in a humane way. A lot of them aren't.

Breadcrusts · 13-10-2011 9:46am

Oranage2 wrote: »

So as humans do we really care enough for animals?

Short answer, no.

Daroxtar · 13-10-2011 9:49am

Of course we care for them. Sure don't we tender cure pigs?

Dravokivich · 13-10-2011 9:50am

How else are you meant to kill the cows, hug'em to death?

FFS!

FatherLen · 13-10-2011 9:53am

i love animals

they taste great.

Oranage2 · 13-10-2011 9:54am

Dravokivich wrote: »

How else are you meant to kill the cows, hug'em to death?

FFS!

Ah sure put a hole in their skull and cork screw out the brain is the only way I suppose...

orourkeda · 13-10-2011 9:55am

If big juicy steaks are the result of animal cruety then cool

hondasam · 13-10-2011 9:55am

I stopped watching it is horrible and cruel. Why does it have to be like this?

hondasam · 13-10-2011 9:57am

orourkeda wrote: »

If big juicy steaks are the result of animal cruety then cool

I just want to get sick watching that. I could not think of food.
I'm not a big meat eater. That video is shocking.

krudler · 13-10-2011 9:59am

you dont win friends with salad

Horsebox9000 · 13-10-2011 10:00am

If being nice to animals means me losing out on my fry after a night on the lash then codswollop to that.

Maybe some people also don't care for Fish since they don't seem to show any emotion.

The reason why Cats and Dogs have more of an uproar is because many people(including myself) would see that animal as a member of their family and more than just a pet.

So, no one cares about animals we eat. I sure as hell don't give 2 flying sods about the lads down in the local trough.

Fozzydog3 · 13-10-2011 10:02am

Any good websites to watch No Country For Old Men ?

Beruthiel · 13-10-2011 10:03am

Meat is murder, tasty, tasty murder.

AeoNGriM · 13-10-2011 10:07am

I'm 6ft 3, weigh about 17 stone, built like a brick ****house - basically about as manly as they come and I will freely admit that animal cruelty, or seeing animals being slaughtered/in distress reduces me to a gigantic, blubbering vagina.

How the hell can any person with any sense of decency do a job like this? How do they not have huge emotional problems, alcohol and drug addictions?

I realise that it's somewhat of a necessity, but fcuk that. It's barbaric, cruel and inhumane.

CardBordWindow · 13-10-2011 10:08am

So.....if we started eating more dog and cat, we wouldn't mind them being put down as much?

FatherLen · 13-10-2011 10:10am

Fozzydog3 wrote: »

Any good websites to watch No Country For Old Men ?

really? you thought that this thread was the best possible place to ask for this?

Oranage2 · 13-10-2011 10:17am

CardBordWindow wrote: »

So.....if we started eating more dog and cat, we wouldn't mind them being put down as much?

No, about treating other animals ith a bit more respect.

- If this was about puppies being throw in a river everybody would be up in arms looking for that person to be thrown in prison -

When it comes to a pig nobody cares.

Fozzydog3 · 13-10-2011 10:19am

FatherLen wrote: »

really? you thought that this thread was the best possible place to ask for this?

I just suddenly felt in the mood for it

razorblunt · 13-10-2011 10:22am

FatherLen wrote: »

really? you thought that this thread was the best possible place to ask for this?

whooosh!

fryup · 13-10-2011 10:23am

depends on how cute the animal is,

so when it comes to livestock no gives a hoot

It wasn't me! · 13-10-2011 10:43am

Killing is bloody and messy. Humane killing is particularly messy, since the idea is to do enough damage quickly enough that death is as close to instantaneous as possible. Some of us can deal with that, and it doesn't mean we have problems or are going to develop them.

fatherted1969 · 13-10-2011 11:15am

Oranage2 wrote: »

As the question asks, we have no problem ringing the Gardai when a dog or cat is being mistreated but what about other animals?

Pet fish for example - gold fish grow big and keeping them in small bowl stunts their growth. Also keep a dog in a cage theirs uproar but keep a foot long fish in a 2 footlong tank is ok?

Pet birds - usually left in a small cages

Also live stock - Does anybody know how they go from eating grass the being accompied by chips?

Warning pretty brutal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4

So as humans do we really care enough for animals?

I worked in several meat factories over the last 20 year's and by far the most cruel thing i've ever seen was the halal butchering that went on from time to time. With halal the animal has to bleed to death from the throat being cut but as they were on a moving line the process of work had well started on them while they were still alive. By far the cruelest thing i've ever seen done to an animal. I worked in the boning halls for all those years. I could never understand how anyone could work in those abatoirs

redzerologhlen · 13-10-2011 11:26am

fatherted1969 wrote: »

I worked in several meat factories over the last 20 year's and by far the most cruel thing i've ever seen was the halal butchering that went on from time to time. With halal the animal has to bleed to death from the throat being cut but as they were on a moving line the process of work had well started on them while they were still alive. By far the cruelest thing i've ever seen done to an animal. I worked in the boning halls for all those years. I could never understand how anyone could work in those abatoirs

Sounds rough enough now alright in fairness!! I dont think there is a more humane way of killing them really then whats shown in the video. The kicking is just the nerves twitching when they are dead.

Scanlas The 2nd · 13-10-2011 11:35am

I wonder if Hitler got any of his ideas from slaughter houses.

Just say they are inferior or some other justification so therefore their suffering doesn't count and try not to let the general public see the actual suffering. People won't care then.

It wasn't me! · 13-10-2011 11:40am

This is like the stands and protests you see around universities. "Would you kill this?" next to pictures of big, watery eyed cattle or idyllic pastoral scenes of fowl or sheep. I get it. I don't like it, but most people have never had to see where their meat comes from and don't have the stomach for it. I personally think that's pretty sad and it's certainly not a trend I like to see, and so I sympathise with the protestors in the sense that I agree most people have no understanding of how meat gets to their plate, but while they understand (Albeit often poorly informed and dazed by blood and gore to the extent they miss some of the reality) I understand, I see it and I will indeed still eat meat, or kill and prepare it for that matter.

mikemac · 13-10-2011 11:45am

If Larry Goodman sees this thread he'll be complaining the admins

We have good standards in Ireland, some of the best
For something else OP you should check out what goes on in the likes of Nebraska and Colorado. Huge feedlots and the cattle never see a blade of grass in their lives. Pumped full of hormones and fed on grain. Sometimes even animal offal is feed to them

If you ever watched the George Clooney film Up in the Air, they don't say anything about the cattle industry but you can see aerial pictures of the slurry lagoons in Nebraska

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Food_Nation
Fast Food Nation, superb book

The film is awful, get the book, not the film

ScumLord · 13-10-2011 11:46am

KeithAFC wrote: »

People seem to think slaughter houses are nice places and the animals are killed in a humane way. A lot of them aren't.

Their all killed the same way, it's a production line and there's no variety in production lines. It is the nicest way an animal can be killed, compared to other predators we're damned nice to our prey.

hondasam wrote: »

I stopped watching it is horrible and cruel. Why does it have to be like this?

I can't watch the video yet but I'm assuming it's a worst case scenario from a foreign country.

I do think all animals should be killed through inert gas, it's painless.

stevenmu · 13-10-2011 12:09pm

hondasam wrote: »

I stopped watching it is horrible and cruel. Why does it have to be like this?

The alternative is that we all go out and hunt and kill our own food. While that might be more natural, it's horribly ineffiecient, we'd end up killing far more animals than we use, and most animals would die a much slower and mroe painful death.

stevenmu · 13-10-2011 12:10pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I do think all animals should be killed through inert gas, it's painless.

To me suffocation sounds like the most horrible terrifying way to die possible, I wouldn't want to put something else through that.

Do we ignore animal cruelty to suit us?

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