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July 16, Stage 14: Saint-Gaudens - Plateau de Beille 168km

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    #92
    chakattack
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    dedon wrote: »
    Voeckler! This has another scandal written all over it. How can he totally turn around his performances?

    He would usually loose 3 or 4 mins at least in these stages. I cannot understand it. Does not make any sense that he could totally change the way he rides.

    I think it is pretty disgraceful to be honest.

    Rasmussen all over again.

    Pure mental toughness if you ask me. You see the pride on his face when he takes to the podium in the yellow jersey. You could see he was was suffering during each attack but gritted his teeth and covered each of them.


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    #93
    milosh
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    dedon wrote: »
    It is did well by the way. Not done.

    He had a shocker today and is probably still on the road

    He finished 6:47 down in 33rd so lost 6 minutes on the leaders. Not as bad as it could have been. He is probably still top 20.


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    #94
    dedon
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    mahoo wrote: »
    for feck sake. give the man some credit. he's in great form. maybe the others aren't in the best of form and it allowed him to hang on where he normally wouldn't have. if it was the contador of last year, sure, he might have lost 4mins. the yellow jersey makes everyone lift their game anyway. look at thor earlier in the race. thomas voekler = legend. fact

    He has never ever climbed like that. He is a totally different rider and it has come from nowhere. We have seen this before and it always end in tears. I don't know what u mean by he only losses when contador is on form. U need to check previous tour results.


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    #95
    Slideshowbob
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    Nico ain't a pure climber and that was proved again today. Maybe he'd have more energy if he didn't spend so much time every evening writing the Irish Idependent articles ;)

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Schlecks don't have the intelligence to win a Tour and don't deserve to

    Again, why oh why oh why didn't AS attack with a few k to go rather than in the last 400m.

    Will AS end his career wondering if he could have won a Tour if he'd once been more aggressive!

    What if once he attacked at 100% rather than just towing the group up like he did today and countless other times ...........


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    #96
    happytramp
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    Maybe some of the other riders have stopped eating magic steak or whatever, giving mere mortals like Vockler a chance???


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    #97
    Caprica
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    What are the Schleks playing at? Are they afraid to win or something? They can not seem to do anything on their own, they would be undeserving winners. I thought as things with on that Contador looked better. I can't see him pulling back the two minutes

    I really would like to see Voeckler hold on, I though he was going to go on the attack in the final few K's


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    #98
    ednwireland
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    roche 18th overall 10 mins 56s down

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    #99
    Rovi
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    Roche 18th on GC at +10'56".


    GAH, TOO SLOW! :D


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    #100
    milosh
    Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭milosh


    Roche is 18th but more importantly 2:30 down on Peraud. The team will have to ride for him now given how strong he looked today and his ability as a TT rider.


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    #101
    kennyb3
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    roche 18th overall 10 mins 56s down
    Should be finally able to go for a stage or two. prob should have lost another 2 mins just to be sure.

    I was in the top 10 camp but after today forget it, and i'd say that in terms of the future too.

    Lots of up and coming riders, lots of the regular top 10ers out injured after crashes. It was now or never.

    Think he needs to re-think his whole philosophy


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    #102
    ColSheehan
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    Wow Voeckler, what a ride from him to stay with the favourites the whole way through again! Really hope he goes on and keeps it for another couple of stages. I'd love to see him win it but I'm not sure if he can last in the Alps, but since he has the yellow jersey anything is possible! The jersey may urge him on to keep hold of it like in 2004. The only person I can see taking it off his shoulders is Evans, and tbh after seeing him second best enough of times, I think he deserves it once at least! :D

    Edit: Roche should definitely go for stage victories now after losing enough time :(


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    #103
    chakattack
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    dedon wrote: »
    He has never ever climbed like that. He is a totally different rider and it has come from nowhere. We have seen this before and it always end in tears. I don't know what u mean by he only losses when contador is on form. U need to check previous tour results.

    Not a spelling nazi now I see.....

    This is completely different to Rasmussen, it's not like he was away on his own - just digging very deep to cover the attacks.

    Just because someone is on form and pours their heart into a ride doesn't mean they should automatically suspected of doping. Innocent until proven guilty surely.....


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    #104
    mahoo
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    dedon wrote: »
    I don't know what u mean by he only losses when contador is on form. U need to check previous tour results.

    i didnt say he only looses when contador is on form... i meant that the pace was probably slower than it has been in the past which allowed him to stay with everyone.


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    #105
    corny
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    Slideshowbob wrote: »
    Again, why oh why oh why didn't AS attack with a few k to go rather than in the last 400m.

    Whats more frustrating is that anyone watching today could only come to the conclusion that Andy had loads in hand of the others. Every time he attacked he seemed really strong but was only concerned with not dropping his brother. Backs off every time. It was the same last year. He spent the entire time in the Alps saying i'm waiting for the Pyrenees. Ignoring the fact Contador was there to be attacked.


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    #106
    JacksonHeightsOwn
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    roche 33rd 6 mins 47s down

    ouch!!!

    i wonder if he ate enough food, losing 6 minutes at this point in the tour is dreadful for him, perhaps he'll now have to ride domestique for Peraud.

    in fairness to roche though, he had terrible preparation with that crash in the Dauphine only 5 weeks ago, id imagine most of the other top contenders wouldnt fancy that kind of prep either

    as for the schlecks, Frank doesnt have the legs and Andy doesnt have the bottle, i hope Voeckler hangs on and keeps the yellow, that'll teach the peloton to stop chasing breakaways


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    #107
    Hail 2 Da Thief
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    Andy Schleck just said he felt really good today. So why the fu€k didn't you attack earlier then?


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    #108
    kennyb3
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    Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »
    Andy Schleck just said he felt really good today. So why the fu€k didn't you attack earlier then?
    Lack of brain cells?


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    #109
    ednwireland
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    Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »
    Andy Schleck just said he felt really good today. So why the fu€k didn't you attack earlier then?

    and then said he was on the limit for the last 2k (i think he may have been joking when he said he felt really good)

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    #110
    Slideshowbob
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    Yes the Schlecks are a few teeth short of a chainring.

    I definitely think Andy doesn't have the savy or kudos to win a Tour.


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    #111
    mahoo
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    the bus just came in with thor and cav. . no disqualifications today anyway


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    #112
    dedon
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    Ye can say what ye like about voeckler. I will stick to my view. We have seen this before and it hasn't ended well.

    I am not having a go but I just cannot understand how someone can totally change the way he rides. Physically it is very very very difficult to achieve and I don't believe it.

    Great gutsy rider and all but I don't believe it.

    I thought people would have learned by now when to judge who to believe and not.


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    #113
    titan18
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    dedon wrote: »
    Ye can say what ye like about voeckler. I will stick to my view. We have seen this before and it hasn't ended well.

    I am not having a go but I just cannot understand how someone can totally change the way he rides. Physically it is very very very difficult to achieve and I don't believe it.

    Great gutsy rider and all but I don't believe it.

    I thought people would have learned by now when to judge who to believe and not.

    Do you not remember in 2004, he held the yellow jersey all the way through the Pyrenees before losing it in the Alps.He's done this before,and will be same thing this year


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    #114
    dedon
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    titan18 wrote: »
    Do you not remember in 2004, he held the yellow jersey all the way through the Pyrenees before losing it in the Alps.He's done this before,and will be same thing this year

    Ah come on. He has nearly 30 mins ahead then not 2mins. He lost over 60 mins in the end. Btw he hammered the time today when did this climb in 2004.


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    #115
    Beached
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    Nico Roche could do better, with an injury free build up to the tour, but he will never keep in touch with the top guys day after day. I would love to see him have the freedom to go on a few breaks like 2009. But thats not gonna happen when he is within 10 min of the leader.
    Looking at the upcoming stage profiles, Tuesday could suit him if he was feeling good. I actually remember him pulling a bit of time back in a similar stage profile with a cheeky attack last year.

    Stage 10 last year, Chambery to Gap.
    He pulled a minute back.
    http://www.steephill.tv/2010/tour-de-france/previews-results/stage-10/


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    #116
    corny
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    titan18 wrote: »
    Do you not remember in 2004, he held the yellow jersey all the way through the Pyrenees before losing it in the Alps.He's done this before,and will be same thing this year

    His lead was eaten away day by day though in 2004. I'm not gonna accuse him of cheating but two Europcar riders in the main group after the work they've put in doesn't seem right to me either. He's innocent until proven guilty though and for now he's lighting up the race.


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    #117
    Pherekydes
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    dedon wrote: »
    He has never ever climbed like that. He is a totally different rider and it has come from nowhere. We have seen this before and it always end in tears.

    Total garbage. He climbed like that in '04 when he last held the yellow. He doesn't normally contest the GC, so he's no reason to contest the climbs fully.

    He's also a zero on the list of suspicion.

    I hope your thread contribution ends in tears.


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    #118
    Hail 2 Da Thief
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    and then said he was on the limit for the last 2k (i think he may have been joking when he said he felt really good)

    Joking? I didn't think the Schlecks did humour! :pac:

    Either way, the pair of them are uninspiring & seem to have no killer instinct!


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    #119
    CrowdedHouse
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    The Leopard grunts must be getting pissed off having to drag the race over the big hills and then nothing happens in the final.

    I beginning to hope Voeckler can hang on because the 'big guns' are too brainless and/or gutless to attack each other

    Seven Worlds will Collide



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    #120
    dedon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭dedon


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Total garbage. He climbed like that in '04 when he last held the yellow. He doesn't normally contest the GC, so he's no reason to contest the climbs fully.

    He's also a zero on the list of suspicion.

    I hope your thread contribution ends in tears.

    Explain how he lost 30 mins so? He didn't climb anywhere near as amazing as he is doing now. Stop talking rubbish . He lost 60 mins in 2004 and they can't take a second off him this year. It's absolute madness out there


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    #121
    niceonetom
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    dedon wrote: »
    Ye can say what ye like about voeckler. I will stick to my view. We have seen this before and it hasn't ended well.

    I am not having a go but I just cannot understand how someone can totally change the way he rides. Physically it is very very very difficult to achieve and I don't believe it.

    Great gutsy rider and all but I don't believe it.

    I thought people would have learned by now when to judge who to believe and not.

    Ah, the certainty of someone who hasn't a clue what he's actually talking about. Isn't it great...

    If you're actually interested in the realities of what we're watching read this. It's based on the Luz stage but today should be much the same. I think it puts the time he lost in 2004 and the time he didn't lose today in proper context. If you prefer to continue to base your suspicions on cynicism in the absence of any actual knowledge or understanding then don't bother, just carry on as you are.

    Has Tommy gotten faster? Of has the front of the peloton gotten slower. Well, it turns out that this is something we can find out.

    No one should be above suspicion, but if you think Voekler has transformed himself then you clearly haven't been paying attention to how he's been riding a bike for the last couple of years.


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