The Life of Muhammad - BBC2 : 9.00pm
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11-07-2011 7:07pmAnyone going to watch this? A whole series on Muhammad, telling us how amazing he is. I wonder if they mention the whole pedo thing?1
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Probably not, but I am a little bit curious to be honest.
Is it going to be just a series of interviews describing the stuff he has done or will they do dramatisations. Because if they don't like people drawing Muhammad then surely having somebody who looks vaguely like him call himself Muhammad is 100 times worse.0 -
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The paedo aspect is cultural and arguable by some as far as dates and ages go. Though I personally consider her age as correctly reported as it was repeated often enough in centuries following and not considered odd. The rejig of her age at marriage is a recent tweak in response to western notions. Indeed it's not that long ago that in the west boys and especially girls were married off very young, barely in their teens. Jerry Lee Lewis' career was put on the skids when he showed up to tour England with his new bride. A cousin of his and all of 13 years old and he 23.
I'll be more interested to see if there's any talk about the camel raids and battles and enslavements or massacres of prisoners after such battles or religious and political killings. All headed and condoned by Muhammed. Interesting for a "religion of peace" not spread at the point of a sword. I'll put good money it will be not mentioned/glossed over/explained as defence or context.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Having just seen it and bearing in mind the chap presenting is a muslim it was balanced enough to be fair, though a couple of things were glossed over or approached sideways.
EG the early non islamic sources for Muhammed. Their detail is up there with the early non christian sources for Jesus and few non Christians give them much historical weight. For a start they dont call him a new prophet of a new faith(IIRC they reckon Christian). Nor do they mention anything about the Quran etc.
The second point about Mecca not showing up in any ancient sources was also glossed over. "Oh it was off the beaten track you know". Precisely. Not exactly the best place to have a major trading area. In any event the Greeks/Byzantines for example did go off said beaten track (in search of spices and frankincense) and leave us good references to the areas in question and still make no mention of Mecca, though do reference other towns equally remote.
Another issue is the ban on the depiction of humans in art. That evolved long after Muhammeds death. Evidenced by the heads of Islamic rulers on the earliest coinage of the empire. At some point there was some iconoclastic movement that took hold. It wasn't original to the movement.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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The second point about Mecca not showing up in any ancient sources was also glossed over. "Oh it was off the beaten track you know". Precisely. Not exactly the best place to have a major trading area. In any event the Greeks/Byzantines for example did go off said beaten track (in search of spices and frankincense) and leave us good references to the areas in question and still make no mention of Mecca, though do reference other towns equally remote.0
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I zapped to it, watched 5 minutes of "Muslims don't believe the whole Satanic verses thing so let's just say it never happened" and zapped on.0
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Looking forward to the next episode of how Muhammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina. Not sure how they'll downplay genocide, but I'm sure they'll find a way.0
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GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »I don't follow the precise issue here. Is that Mecca may have been known by some other name, or wha?Siuin wrote:Looking forward to the next episode of how Muhammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina. Not sure how they'll downplay genocide, but I'm sure they'll find a way.pH wrote:I zapped to it, watched 5 minutes of "Muslims don't believe the whole Satanic verses thing so let's just say it never happened" and zapped on.
To be fair to Islamic scholars at the time and after, they were remarkably open about not avoiding the dodgy stuff about Muhammed. It's only quite recently they've become more fundamentalist and literal about such things.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Yep that will be interesting alright. I wonder will they mention the political and religious assassinations condoned by him too. There seem to have been "two" Muhammeds. The one before his first wife died. The quieter peaceful preacher. Then the one after she dies, the far more aggressive and martial and strict.
It's seems not to be a Before Kadijah/After Kadijah split - rather a Before Power/After Power split. He only advocated tolerance initially because he only had a tiny number of followers.0 -
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Oh I agree G that's a huge chunk of it. I was mentioning the death of his first wife as another factor in this as the martial Muhammed comes out around that time. This is a man who saw his own mother die in front of him when he was a child, who then goes on to marry an older more socially powerful woman who he loves for 20 years. A strong woman who supports him even when he's coming out with what must have been uncomfortable, even blasphemous things for the time(he would have burnt at the stake in a Christian controlled area. A woman who then dies just as he's becoming more widely recognised. That must have been a huge emotional wrench. I imagine that's a scenario a psychologist would have a field day with.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Having just seen it and bearing in mind the chap presenting is a muslim it was balanced enough to be fair, though a couple of things were glossed over or approached sideways.
EG the early non islamic sources for Muhammed. Their detail is up there with the early non christian sources for Jesus and few non Christians give them much historical weight. For a start they dont call him a new prophet of a new faith(IIRC they reckon Christian). Nor do they mention anything about the Quran etc.
The second point about Mecca not showing up in any ancient sources was also glossed over. "Oh it was off the beaten track you know". Precisely. Not exactly the best place to have a major trading area. In any event the Greeks/Byzantines for example did go off said beaten track (in search of spices and frankincense) and leave us good references to the areas in question and still make no mention of Mecca, though do reference other towns equally remote.
Another issue is the ban on the depiction of humans in art. That evolved long after Muhammeds death. Evidenced by the heads of Islamic rulers on the earliest coinage of the empire. At some point there was some iconoclastic movement that took hold. It wasn't original to the movement.
Isn't one of the ideas about the emergence of Islam that it came from a christian sect (I'll try to find a link to where I read it)?0 -
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Yea that seems to have some currency alright. There were a number of early Christian "heretical" groups knocking about. Quite a number of them with quite similar aspects to Islam. They questioned/denied the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus and a couple of other similarities. The Ebonites(sp)* were one such group and were knocking about in mid milliennium Arabia too. They were more a Jewish sect with Christian overtones. They saw Jesus as a Jewish prophet chosen by god, but not divine. They were into ritual daily bathing/purification and saw Jerusalem as the holy city and focus of their beliefs(as did the earliest Muslims who prayed in that direction rather than at Mecca). IIRC one of the first converts to Islam was an ebonite monk.
*I'm running on memory here soRejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Yea that seems to have some currency alright. There were a number of early Christian "heretical" groups knocking about. Quite a number of them with quite similar aspects to Islam. They questioned/denied the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus and a couple of other similarities. The Ebonites(sp)* were one such group and were knocking about in mid milliennium Arabia too. They were more a Jewish sect with Christian overtones. They saw Jesus as a Jewish prophet chosen by god, but not divine. They were into ritual daily bathing/purification and saw Jerusalem as the holy city and focus of their beliefs(as did the earliest Muslims who prayed in that direction rather than at Mecca). IIRC one of the first converts to Islam was an ebonite monk.
The world knows that the companion of prophet died in the way of Allah. They suffered troubles and hardships in support of truth and in establishing and propagating the principles of JusticeThey were into ritual daily bathing/purification and saw Jerusalem as the holy city and focus of their beliefsfontanalis wrote: »Isn't one of the ideas about the emergence of Islam that it came from a christian sect (I'll try to find a link to where I read it)?0 -
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See, the beauty here, Wibbs, describing Prophet Muhammad after 1400 years on base of incomplete record/ distorted history... Infact, he/she has faith in distorted history but he/she can't see how Prophet Muhammad change the world through his character...Wibbs doesn't know, all what he has learned, is result of twisted brains/twisted history......and history is full of liars---- full of arrogance---full of pride......
OK if the viewpoint is based on faith I say fine and I hope it brings happiness to that person and doesn't bring unhappiness to others(the latter is the trick of course).Now he considers himself as geniusand thinks all the companions of Prophet who suffered pain/prison/dungeons were fool..... Would you kindly bear 10 stripe, Wibbs..... I am sure, you would change your religion on first stripe.....Even 100 stripes couldn't change minds of companion of Prophets....... why? because they had cured themselves from corruption, Clearly, i can see you only prefer that history which matches with your hypothesis because it is your wish not to believe.... and with the passage of time your wishes become the wishes of twisted brains
The world knows that the companion of prophet died in the way of Allah. They suffered troubles and hardships in support of truth and in establishing and propagating the principles of Justiceas i have pointed again and again Islam isn't new religion, Every Prophet preached Islam in his time, that's why you see a lot similarity between these religion......His message got corruption with the passage of time due to interpretation of people.....You ,your bias and the twisted history can't whitewash the truth which is written so clear on the face of history.......
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Oh indeed I do see how he changed the world through his character alright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice#IslamAll what I have learned is through reading more than just one book. That's the difference. If one book says X and ten say Y then is it not logical to think the ten more likely to be correct?, but rather than label historians as "liars" which is aggressive and unhelpful, I prefer to see recorded history as the history of viewpoints. The more and different viewpoints one has the better one can seek the truth. Again why thinking just one book is the "truth" is narrow minded. Killing people because of that one book is beyond primitive. I don't care which book it is either. Christians were killing people because of their book and Jews because of theirs.
"A history in which every particular incident may be true may on the whole be false. ''OK if the viewpoint is based on faith I say fine and I hope it brings happiness to that person and doesn't bring unhappiness to others(the latter is the trick of course).Where did I claim any such thing? This is what debate looks like Dead One.Eh what's with all the whipping? Actually since many religions are based on fear to some degree or other fear is a common meme within them. By the way, just because someone suffers for a cause it does not mean it's a righteous cause. EG Supporters of Hitler* suffered torture and prison and even death before he rose to power. He himself was shot and imprisoned. Literally millions fought and died in his name and in the name of his cause. Does this mean his and his cause was a righteous one? Of course not.Or each new faith was an evolution of the previous. I've asked this before but I'll try again... All faiths before Islam were corrupted yes? Islam is incorrupted, yes? OK why didn't god protect his previous revelations from corruption? Simple question. Why did it take a few tries at it?
Your history, from your books. Just one bias. If you like Ican walk in your shoes and just quote that one book and point out inconsistencies and aggression and all of that. Of course that would likely be pointless as you'll come back with "context" and "interpretation". No doubt how this documentary will "explain" mass killing of prisoners of war.0 -
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He was a social reformer.....There are three pillars upon which social justice in Islam is built:the absolute freedom of consciencethe complete human equalityand the firm social symbiosis,The mob is the mother of tyrants. If ten books say "Y".... Doesn't it mean "y" is truth..... Think, why ten are saying "Y"..... The first reaction to the truth is always hatred (that is why 10 are saying "y":))....See, how Jesus spoke ("X" )against tyranny ("Y") of Roman government...... So your logic is flawed why? .... It seems "y" is logical but doesn't mean "Y" is the truth..... Just for example watch this movie as example http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050083/. In this movie 11 are saying "Y" and only one is saying "X" but in the end, the one with "X'' was true........ You prefer to believe in "Y"..... It doesn't mean, because ten are saying "Y" or the one is saying "Y"See, there are good also historian but majority in historian had written history to praise kings---- to earn money---- to feed their hunger, For this purpose they invented in lies in the history and you are using the same history to find truthFor this purpose God has preserved Quran till judgement day.......There is difference between history and revelation..... Revelation can't be history...Revelation can only be history if it is corrupted by human ideas.....As quran has no human ideasso it is pure revelation and this revelation carries weight our all the historian of all the world..... The reason for this is simple because it is unchangeable, where views of the historian are changeable with the passage of time. God cannot alter the past, though historians can.Your language is your mirror, i can see you in the mirror......How many follower Hitler has today........The simple answer is..... All past prophets and revelations were limited in their authority. Their purpose is only to guide limited people..... As Jesus was sent only for children of Israel...... Islam is for the whole world and there is no prophet after Muhammmad, so God has preserved his revelation till judgment day...... We believe that all prophets gave guidance and instruction to their people about how to properly worship God and live their lives and all the prophet were muslims....See, understanding islam and quran through twisted history/ twisted brain/twisted documentaries,won't bring you closer to truth.Do you know in UK islam is at peak,So these types of documentary are necessary to control folks like you....because it torches your reason to believe what you prefer to believe..... I ain't saying you must admit Islam as truth what i am saying'''At least distinguish between truth and lies".... you are exploring truth in the book of lies and propagating those lie in the name of justice....Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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He was a social reformer.....There are three pillars upon which social justice in Islam is built: the absolute freedom of conscience, the complete human equality and the firm social symbiosis, and each one of these pillars is built upon the others.... His message gave the idea of he absolute freedom of conscience, the complete human equality and the firm social symbiosis to the world.....If you turn your eyes from truth then truth won't come to you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice#Islam
The mob is the mother of tyrants. If ten books say "Y".... Doesn't it mean "y" is truth..... Think, why ten are saying "Y"..... The first reaction to the truth is always hatred (that is why 10 are saying "y":))....See, how Jesus spoke ("X" )against tyranny ("Y") of Roman government...... So your logic is flawed why? .... It seems "y" is logical but doesn't mean "Y" is the truth..... Just for example watch this movie as example http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050083/. In this movie 11 are saying "Y" and only one is saying "X" but in the end, the one with "X'' was true........ You prefer to believe in "Y"..... It doesn't mean, because ten are saying "Y" or the one is saying "Y"
See, there are good also historian but majority in historian had written history to praise kings---- to earn money---- to feed their hunger, For this purpose they invented in lies in the history and you are using the same history to find truth........ For this purpose God has preserved Quran till judgement day.......There is difference between history and revelation..... Revelation can't be history... Revelation can only be history if it is corrupted by human ideas..... As quran has no human ideas so it is pure revelation and this revelation carries weight our all the historian of all the world..... The reason for this is simple because it is unchangeable, where views of the historian are changeable with the passage of time. God cannot alter the past, though historians can.
"A history in which every particular incident may be true may on the whole be false. ''
and faith isn't blind--- right..... Faith is a torch which provides you the light to find what is truth if Ten are saying "Y" and if one is saying "X"
Your language is your mirror, i can see you in the mirror......
How many follower Hitler has today........
The simple answer is..... All past prophets and revelations were limited in their authority. Their purpose is only to guide limited people..... As Jesus was sent only for children of Israel...... Islam is for the whole world and there is no prophet after Muhammmad, so God has preserved his revelation till judgment day...... We believe that all prophets gave guidance and instruction to their people about how to properly worship God and live their lives and all the prophet were muslims....
Your history, from your books. Just one bias. If you like I
See, understanding islam and quran through twisted history/ twisted brain/twisted documentaries,won't bring you closer to truth. Do you know in UK islam is at peak, So these types of documentary are necessary to control folks like you....because it torches your reason to believe what you prefer to believe..... I ain't saying you must admit Islam as truth what i am saying'''At least distinguish between truth and lies".... you are exploring truth in the book of lies and propagating those lie in the name of justice....
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Syria get pally with a certain Nazi due to his role in killing juwes?0 -
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Looking forward to the next episode of how Muhammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina. Not sure how they'll downplay genocide, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
In fairness some commentators laboured the point that it was the first Jewish "holocaust". Touch of the modern martyr there in light of recent history IMHO. If it had been a Christian or Samite tribe I'm pretty sure the same would have happened. He still would have had them killed. it just happened to be Jews. Indeed under early Islam the Jews had a far happier and more equal lot in life than under Christians at the same time or later. Christian nations have had a far far worse record of Jewish persecution than Islamic nations ever had. Dubious though I find the later martial and frankly to my mind dangerous to be around Muhammed, I really don't see him as anti semitic. On the other hand too many Muslims today and Muslims a few generations away from the source I would. In that respect a couple of the Muslim commentators were right.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Historical context apparently. Quelle surprise. Context, the harbour for the morally ambivalent, built for them by the otherwise moral faithful, who refuse to see the obvious. I also noted how they have so far nicely avoided his extra wives and slaves and caravan raiding and killing and further enslavement. It wasn't just the battle of the trench where his questionable beliefs and actions took place.0
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I had an argument with two Muslims in Jerusalem who were attempting to convert me because I told them that I wouldn't join a religion where the penalty for leaving was death. They refused point blank to acknowledge that such a law existed and simply started screaming at me and going nuts. Truth hurts, I guess.But if people wish to believe that Muhammad isn't morally culpable for mass murder because of 'historical context' (since apparently slaughter is not so bad given an adequate amount of time) then that is simply proof of their warped mentality.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Yet the punishment for apostasy from Islam is death?You may chose to ignore it as the majority of Muslims do, but it's there in black and white. That among the most vile of crimes and punishments is disbelief? How long would an openly atheist man or woman last in your perfect Islamic state?Where's the "freedom" there? Allah even says he directly blinds disbelievers just so he can punish them 2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom. So this is a "god" who purposely makes people unbelievers just to burn them in hell? Niiice.Yet a woman's witness is worth half a mans, her inheritance is less, that her husband is allowed hit her if other punishments don't work, where she can't travel freely without a man, how the very workings of her reproductive organs render her unclean and a sickness to the man who even touches her? Men are "a degree above women". 2:228 Where's the "equality" there?
Where every aspect of ones life to an obsessive compulsive degree is mapped out? Where attack is the order of the day? Where turn the other cheek is sadly lacking?And Muslim historians didn't do this? Are you serious?The Quran states that Pharaohs in ancient Egypt crucified criminals. Crucifixion is a later Roman invention.This is where we part in logic. Right, so even some of the very dubious history in the Quran backed up by evidence elsewhere doesn't matter?Really? So God only speaks in 7th century Arabic(with words borrowed from other languages)? God decrees that men and women should dress like 7th century Arabs? IE It's right because we say it's right.And blindly believing one book will? Really? The many many millions of non Muslim British people might just disagree with you there. Indeed I would fear for their country should Islam ever take over. Among the poorest most backward nations on this planet are Muslim and the more religious they are the more backward and poor they become. The rich ones? Wait until the oil runs out. And here we have it. All about the control, by any means necessary. Yea in Europe we're familiar with that one in the past and we shook it off in the past. One reason why the Islamic world became so backward after an all too brief flowering of culture. Funny I could say exactly the same of you and I think more would agree with me than with you.
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If you look upon quran, it clearly says, there is no compulsion in religion. Again-- if people aren't following orders of God, then it is fault of people not God/Religion.
If they ... assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief. ...
Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them 9:12-14
Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 9:5
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve ... take them and kill them wherever ye find them. 4:89
And there's a lot more where that came from. In the main hadeeth, the ones considered the most correct and having the best lines of transmission Muhammed clearly and more than once says apostasy = death.See, "a degree above women".... It is example of great dishonesty which you are portraying on innocent minds.....
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. 4:34
4:98 Except the feeble among men, and the women, and the children, who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way.
Add to this that women have much less freedom or movement without a mans permission and escort.
OK dead one, answer me this if you can.
Do you think men and women should be able to work together in an office or other workplace?
Do you think women should be engineers, doctors, lawyers? Do you think women should play sports?
Do you think women should be in government?
Do you think women should be allowed to travel on their own or with other women or men?Is their any universal language which you understand?Muslim are poor because they have left the teaching of islam.... Fault isn't with Islam, fault is with muslims...... Right......See, this video might help you to understand what i am trying to say..... what is purpose of such distorted documentaries..... Like "Life of Muhammad".... What is purpose of banning Islamic scholar?
And you post a video by Zakir Naik? He's a Wahabi for a start. The version of Islam that has given the rest of the Muslim world such a bad name since its inception. Even among Wahabi's he's considered a bit over the top. He's supported Bin Laden and quite a few Islamic terrorists/freedom fighters(depending on viewpoint) have cited him as an influence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI&feature=player_embedded
Islam is terror among other beauties. I suppose that's context though....
His opinions on women are at the extreme of Islamic thought. He also states apostates should be killed. He farcically states that other religions should be banned in muslim countries(against the Quran and Islamic law), but of course other countries should allow Islam. Plus he can't even read Arabic, so how is he in any way a scholar?
TBH if you're coming from the same position as Naik, I'm outa here. It's says too much for me. Real dangerous stuff.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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No compulsion in religion eh? Yet another example of contradiction in this book. Set against the no compulsion part we have;
Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 9:5
let me clear this first, non-muslims, at the time of Prophet muhammad, were worst enemies of Islam, .they kept an eye on prophet being hypocrite by calling them selves believer/Muslims. ......but they were disbelievers in heart..Allah has knowledge of everything..... Allah warned muslims against themIf they ... assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief. ...
Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them 9:12-14They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve ... take them and kill them wherever ye find them. 4:89And there's a lot more where that came from. In the main hadeeth, the ones considered the most correct and having the best lines of transmission Muhammed clearly and more than once says apostasy = death.Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. 4:34
4:98 Except the feeble among men, and the women, and the children, who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way.Do you think men and women should be able to work together in an office or other workplace?Do you think women should be engineers, doctors, lawyers? Do you think women should play sports?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056275829Do you think women should be in government?
Do you think women should be allowed to travel on their own or with other women or men?A simple concept is easily transmissible in pretty much any language. Even highly complex concepts are. As we speak there are people exchanging ideas and building science and technology that impacts all our lives and doing so in many different languages. The truth is translatable.And you post a video by Zakir Naik? He's a Wahabi for a start. The version of Islam that has given the rest of the Muslim world such a bad name since its inception. Even among Wahabi's he's considered a bit over the top. He's supported Bin Laden and quite a few Islamic terrorists/freedom fighters(depending on viewpoint) have cited him as an influence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI&feature=player_embedded
Islam is terror among other beauties. I suppose that's context though....
His opinions on women are at the extreme of Islamic thought. He also states apostates should be killed. He farcically states that other religions should be banned in muslim countries(against the Quran and Islamic law), but of course other countries should allow Islam. Plus he can't even read Arabic, so how is he in any way a scholar?
BTW: would kindly you give me reference for the bold font....i mean where you have learned this from.... Please give me the reference of exact videos in which doctor Zakir naik has made all above claims........... As far as, I know he has no support for Osama bin Ladin, he only said as he doesn't know Osama so he can't say nothing about him..... I don't know what makes you do that.... Why you aren't using your own brain.... Is their any problem with your own brain....0 -
Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. 9:5
let me clear this first, non-muslims, at the time of Prophet muhammad, were worst enemies of Islam, .they kept an eye on prophet being hypocrite by calling them selves believer/Muslims. ......but they were disbelievers in heart..Allah has knowledge of everything..... Allah warned muslims against themThe verses were revealed in context when nonbelievers broken a peace treaty by killing innocent Muslims at time of night... The reason was, islam was spreading in Arabia. In responding their act God had revealed this chapter by ordering muslim to kill those non-believer who had done this dirty act..... Now, why you are being dishonest..... What do yo want to prove by picking verses and then making your own context to fool mankind...... Why you don't ask to yourself..... Is this honesty?, what you are doing in the name love....... Please clarify me? what makes you to do that, Isn't it your belief which you prefer to believe....
According to some studies of the quaran, Muhammad was attempting to redefine persecution in order to convince the Muslims that they were under it.You put verses out of context to make people fool about quran and Islam.......Your sole purpose is to spread misconception for Islam..I don't know what makes you to do such acts......because you know any human after listening this that kill any non-believer will immediatly go against Islam..see you can try these tricks,but infact you are tricking yourself....Now understand why God has blinded disbeliever.... Now understand why they are deaf and dumb ...... That is what dishonesty what you have learned from anti Islamic material/sites/programs/twisted minds..... God has given you brain and conscience why you don't use it....We prefer book of Allah, Book of Allah doesn't say anything about it even you will find, prophet was symbol of mercy and love..... He forgave his enemies then why should i believe those hadiths which say he liked killing in his own name....... See, it doesn't make any sense...You are charge of your women/family...... It is man, head of family, So he is charge of his family /his wife/his sons/ and daughters... Now apply this context to whole families in the world....... It is man, head family who can control his family from evils..... If a man as head of family guides what is best for his family then i am sure..... There will be no strips club/sex scenes/porn movies/sale girls/ blonde/models in the world.... No woman will display her beauty to attract customers....Quran provides you the solution..... See this is beginning of well disciplined society. Only person bold can guard fair sex.... This is universal reality....... Why you don't see in your society, where children are born without fathers and even they don't know the names of their father in their whole lives.... This is because men aren't charge of women...... Even your media is corrupting Muslim societies as well.... Do you think, Is this all right?No, you don't know outcomes, men working with women.....See, you can't control natural human desires...... Women and men can only work together if they are perfect in controlling their desires..... but it is impossible.... You see, Wibbs, God doesn't make woman for strip clubs/casino/ porn movies/advertisement/sex object in offices. Fate doesn't butcher her and destiny doesn't feed her to those ainimal. It is the same man who is charge of women and misusing his charge to feed his desires........... This is how men are charge of women..See, i ain't against education of women, or her jobs she can do whatever she wish but within context by following God's order... Now if you don't follow that context then outcomes are there you can see....open your eyes wibbs and see how free women are in your society and same media is corrupting innocent minds..... Where every born thought is imprisoned in dungeon of sex...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056275829Do you think it is safe for women to travel in a society which portrays her as sex object.... .See, wibb, you can't ignore reality......concept is very simple, believe in Allah, in his books---- his messengers--- and follow what is right.... So where is problem..... Has science been wrong before? answer is "yes" that's why God didn't use science.....Science is research to find truth about God and his words..... You see, wibbs, science has disproved claims in the bible why because science is eliminating models of God not God....If you can read this, you're too close!
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let me clear this first, non-muslims, at the time of Prophet muhammad, were worst enemies of Islam,The verses were revealed in context when nonbelievers broken a peace treaty by killing innocent Muslims at time of night... The reason was, islam was spreading in Arabia. In responding their act God had revealed this chapter by ordering muslim to kill those non-believer who had done this dirty act.....Now, why you are being dishonest..... What do yo want to prove by picking verses and then making your own context to fool mankind......Why you don't ask to yourself..... Is this honesty?, what you are doing in the name love.......You put verses out of context to make people fool about quran and Islam.......Your sole purpose is to spread misconception for Islam..I don't know what makes you to do such acts......because you know any human after listening this that kill any non-believer will immediatly go against Islam..see you can try these tricks,but infact you are tricking yourself....Now understand why God has blinded disbeliever.... Now understand why they are deaf and dumb ...... That is what dishonesty what you have learned from anti Islamic material/sites/programs/twisted minds..... God has given you brain and conscience why you don't use it....We prefer book of Allah, Book of Allah doesn't say anything about it even you will find, prophet was symbol of mercy and love..... He forgave his enemies then why should i believe those hadiths which say he liked killing in his own name....... See, it doesn't make any sense...Only person bold can guard fair sex....This is because men aren't charge of women......
Basically women are inferior to men. We get this. Hey even the Quran points this out as far as compensation goes;
2:178 O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female.Women come last after slaves(I'd put money the word slave in this case means male slave, though even a female slave s worth more cash than a "free" woman). If a woman was equally valued a male would compensate. Never mind how primitive this is as a notion of law or justice.No, you don't know outcomes, men working with women.....See, you can't control natural human desires...... Women and men can only work together if they are perfect in controlling their desires..... but it is impossible....You see, Wibbs, God doesn't make woman for strip clubs/casino/ porn movies/advertisement/sex object in offices.See, i ain't against education of women, or her jobs she can do whatever she wish but within context by following God's order...Now if you don't follow that context then outcomes are there you can see....open your eyes wibbs and see how free women are in your society and same media is corrupting innocent minds..... Where every born thought is imprisoned in dungeon of sex...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056275829Do you think it is safe for women to travel in a society which portrays her as sex object.... .See, wibb, you can't ignore reality......
Though in those more equal countries some Muslims it seems have difficulty with leaving non Muslim women alone. The recent and ongoing cases in the UK where "asian" men were raping and prostituting non asian women. That's an insult to Asian men. It wasn't Seikhs or Hindus or Buddhists doing this, it was Muslim men. Of course the media ever cautious about insulting Islam or any other culture rarely points this out, but that's what happened. To these Muslim men, non Muslim women are whores. That's the mentality behind this BS. Lets look at Norway, a very liberal and advanced society. In Oslo in 2010 all reported sexual assaults and rapes were carried out by Muslim men on non Muslim women. Not a majority, not a minority, ALL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&NR=1 Again the media tries to be sensitive about it, but watch the video and see for yourselves. This has been reported in other areas of Europe with high Muslim populations. Western women are more in danger from Muslim men than they are from those liberal infidels. No wonder dead one suggests a woman needs a "person bold" to protect her. Well in a faith where a woman who is raped is as likely to end up being whipped or thrown in Gaol for reporting rape. Where the only way she can be proven right is if 4 witnesses come forward to back her up. 4 male witnesses by the way. So unless you have clinically depressed suicidal rapists it's not very likely. Oh then her family will likely disown her or even kill her, for not defending her honour. So even if you're a Muslim woman who is raped it's worse than if you're a western woman. Are Muslim men rapists? Hell no, but it gives more of an excuse to the ones that are. Well if the Quran says you can have intercourse with captured women after a battle, I'm not surprised.i ain't fan of zakir naik.... i posted the video only to convery message
BTW: would kindly you give me reference for the bold font....i mean where you have learned this from.... Please give me the reference of exact videos in which doctor Zakir naik has made all above claims........... As far as, I know he has no support for Osama bin Ladin, he only said as he doesn't know Osama so he can't say nothing about him.....I don't know what makes you do that.... Why you aren't using your own brain.... Is their any problem with your own brain....Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Though in those more equal countries some Muslims it seems have difficulty with leaving non Muslim women alone. The recent and ongoing cases in the UK where "asian" men were raping and prostituting non asian women. That's an insult to Asian men. It wasn't Seikhs or Hindus or Buddhists doing this, it was Muslim men. Of course the media ever cautious about insulting Islam or any other culture rarely points this out, but that's what happened. To these Muslim men, non Muslim women are whores. That's the mentality behind this BS. Lets look at Norway, a very liberal and advanced society. In Oslo in 2010 all reported sexual assaults and rapes were carried out by Muslim men on non Muslim women. Not a majority, not a minority, ALL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&NR=1 Again the media tries to be sensitive about it, but watch the video and see for yourselves. This has been reported in other areas of Europe with high Muslim populations. Western women are more in danger from Muslim men than they are from those liberal infidels. No wonder dead one suggests a woman needs a "person bold" to protect her. Well in a faith where a woman who is raped is as likely to end up being whipped or thrown in Gaol for reporting rape. Where the only way she can be proven right is if 4 witnesses come forward to back her up. 4 male witnesses by the way. So unless you have clinically depressed suicidal rapists it's not very likely. Oh then her family will likely disown her or even kill her, for not defending her honour. So even if you're a Muslim woman who is raped it's worse than if you're a western woman. Are Muslim men rapists? Hell no, but it gives more of an excuse to the ones that are. Well if the Quran says you can have intercourse with captured women after a battle, I'm not surprised0
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Basically because of all the Abrahamic religions, mainstream Islam sexualises women more. EG they cover up in the time of their lives when they're "available". Technically speaking an old woman doesn't have to cover up, neither does a young girl. Women are second class citizens. They're below the "head of the household" the man. They're below him in witness and in law. Especially anything to do with sexual law. As you say it's the woman's fault. Reading the texts, womens place in society is to be wives, mothers and concubines or booty. It also believes men are uncontrollable sexual beings and even the merest sight of a woman will inflame dangerous sexual passions. Considering the cultural climate where it sprang up, this is not that unsurprising and Siuin's experiences show this still holds in the cultural psyche. It indirectly takes away men's responsibility for their own actions. By covering up women it fetishises those uncovered women. It marks them out as not "pure" or "faithful" so it's a double whammy. The non faithful are the worst people of all, which is repeated ad nauseum in the Quran(the most accepted hadeeth are even worse on this score and are beyond primitive when it comes to women). So a woman already a degree below men is in trouble, so a non muslim uncovered women is open season. Like I said this does not mean Muslim men are rapists or mysoginists, but it does make them much more likely to be.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Do you know in UK islam is at peak
I take it you have never been to Britain then? I expect you would be incredibly surprised and hopefully quite disgusted at the state of modern British society.
Women are for the most part given the utmost respect. People have religious, sexual, political, and cultural freedoms. In fact, in terms of civil liberties afforded to Brits then it is about as far from an islamic state as you can get.
If Islam did ever become "peak" in Britain then I'd expect a civil war.
Also, just to put it in perspective, there are more daily mail readers than muslims in Britain0