Your favourite unsolved mystery?

Mehaffey1 · 08-12-2020 9:21pm

MattS1 wrote: »

Has to be something to do with his Alaska trip, if that's where he went.

Never could put the Alaska trip and his disappearance together. Apparently, the girl he went to visit wasn't all that excited about his trip over. You would've had to have pissed off someone beyond belief or robbed them of thousands for them to travel over and commit murder. Didn't know the lad personally but from friends and family statements seem his was a genuinely nice lad.

barrymanilow · 08-12-2020 9:21pm

Mary Celeste

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 08-12-2020 10:14pm

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Never could put the Alaska trip and his disappearance together. Apparently, the girl he went to visit wasn't all that excited about his trip over. You would've had to have pissed off someone beyond belief or robbed them of thousands for them to travel over and commit murder. Didn't know the lad personally but from friends and family statements seem his was a genuinely nice lad.

It just seems very coincidental. Maybe he did something else in Alaska or didn't go but his character doesn't show he was into crime at all. All very odd.

08-12-2020 10:39pm

Definitely not related to Alaska. Far easier to go missing over there.

ArnoldJRimmer · 08-12-2020 10:59pm

Gardai have definitely ruled out the trip to Alaska as having anything to do with it. Its a little odd, but not a completely outrageous thing for a young person to do.

I think the most logical theory is that he was in wrong place at the wrong time on his walk home, was attacked, and then taken to another location. There are some nasty scrotes around Dublin at night time, had enough nervous walks home myself when I lived there. Its just horrific that the family have not gotten closure yet

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 08-12-2020 11:04pm

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Gardai have definitely ruled out the trip to Alaska as having anything to do with it. Its a little odd, but not a completely outrageous thing for a young person to do.

I think the most logical theory is that he was in wrong place at the wrong time on his walk home, was attacked, and then taken to another location. There are some nasty scrotes around Dublin at night time, had enough nervous walks home myself when I lived there. Its just horrific that the family have not gotten closure yet

Weird that guy's were waiting outside. And that someone followed him. It seems to have been planned. Which brings Alaska into the frame. Nothing else rings a bell.

Day Lewin · 08-12-2020 11:23pm

MattS1 wrote: »

Weird that guy's were waiting outside. And that someone followed him. It seems to have been planned. Which brings Alaska into the frame. Nothing else rings a bell.

'Twould be an impressive Alaskan that could plan a walk and a kidnapping, at 4 a.m. along a deserted street in Dublin, many months later.

I think local is a touch more probable!

The area is a traditional red-light district and also at the time there were criminal gangs operating various crime rings - drugs, pimping, extortion - including a possible link to the murder of Sinead Kelly, a sex worker, in the exact same area in 1998 - only eighteen months before Trevor disappeared.

HalloweenJack · 08-12-2020 11:40pm

Two Irish cases that have captured my interest recently.

The disappearance of Larry Griffin. Though this seems to have been explained, they never found the body and there's never been admission of what happened.

Fr. Niall Molloy. I would love to know how he ended up dying in those circumstances.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 08-12-2020 11:40pm

Day Lewin wrote: »

'Twould be an impressive Alaskan that could plan a walk and a kidnapping, at 4 a.m. along a deserted street in Dublin, many months later.

I think local is a touch more probable!

The area is a traditional red-light district and also at the time there were criminal gangs operating various crime rings - drugs, pimping, extortion - including a possible link to the murder of Sinead Kelly, a sex worker, in the exact same area in 1998 - only eighteen months before Trevor disappeared.

Not saying it was anything to do with an Alaskan. He may not have even gone there, or went there for a different reason. Obviously if there was a connection, it would to organised crime in Dublin.

punchdrunk · 08-12-2020 11:41pm

I don’t think Alaska had anything to do with it.m

I think far more likely was some watched him as he entered the bank and maybe wrongly presumed from that action that he was more senior in the bank and thus was a wealthy soft target (it would seem unusual for low pay-grade workers to be entering the bank at that hour to most people )
maybe Trevor knew he was being followed and entered work hoping to shake whoever was following him?

either way the delay of several days in contacting the Gardai really hamstrung any chance of a decent evidentiary investigation.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 08-12-2020 11:44pm

punchdrunk wrote: »

I don’t think Alaska had anything to do with it.m

I think far more likely was some watched him as he entered the bank and maybe wrongly presumed from that action that he was more senior in the bank and thus was a wealthy soft target (it would seem unusual for low pay-grade workers to be entering the bank at that hour to most people )
maybe Trevor knew he was being followed and entered work hoping to shake whoever was following him?

either way the delay of several days in contacting the Gardai really hamstrung any chance of a decent evidentiary investigation.

But why was there at least one person waiting outside the bank? How did they know he would come back?

mrsdewinter · 08-12-2020 11:47pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Don’t know but it’s very odd how this “man in black” in the footage has never come forward

I don't know if it's that odd. I believe the mystery man was selling drugs or pimping girls. If the man was part of that lifestyle, there's a chance he has died in the years since then. There's an even better chance he didn't have a great relationship with the gardaí. In his own mind, he'd only chatted to the missing chap for a minute or two in a conversation that went nowhere (TD's body language looks guarded to me), so why wd he bring a world of pain on himself by ringing Garda crime lines? The footage only came out, when? in 2016 or so?

punchdrunk · 09-12-2020 12:17am

MattS1 wrote: »

But why was there at least one person waiting outside the bank? How did they know he would come back?

Well if he’d visibly had a few drinks they maybe surmised that he wasn’t going in to start a days work at that hour? again pimps and dealers are wel used to hanging around

Hamsterchops · 09-12-2020 7:30am

barrymanilow wrote: »

Mary Celeste

Mary (Marie) Celeste

The British brig Dei Gratia was about 400 miles east of the Azores on December 5, 1872, when crew members spotted a ship adrift in the choppy seas. Capt. David Morehouse was taken aback to discover that the deserted vessel was the Marie Celeste. She had left New York City eight days before him and should have already arrived in Genoa, Italy. He changed course to offer help.

Morehouse sent a boarding party to the ship. Upon boarding they discovered the ship's charts had been tossed about, and the crewmen's belongings were still in their quarters. The ship's only lifeboat was missing, and one of its two pumps had been disassembled. Three and a half feet of water was sloshing about in the ship's hold, though the cargo of 1,701 barrels of industrial alcohol was largely intact.
There was a six-month supply of food and water—but not a soul to consume it, for there was nobody aboard the Mary Celeste, now a "ghost ship" the most famous ghost ship in history!

Spooky.

Beechwoodspark · 09-12-2020 8:17am

Another one is the disappearance of Tina satchwell in youghal

Beechwoodspark · 09-12-2020 8:23am

mrsdewinter wrote: »

I don't know if it's that odd. I believe the mystery man was selling drugs or pimping girls. If the man was part of that lifestyle, there's a chance he has died in the years since then. There's an even better chance he didn't have a great relationship with the gardaí. In his own mind, he'd only chatted to the missing chap for a minute or two in a conversation that went nowhere (TD's body language looks guarded to me), so why wd he bring a world of pain on himself by ringing Garda crime lines? The footage only came out, when? in 2016 or so?

The footage was recovered shortly after the disappearance in December 2000.

As far as I remember the family and friends went knocking doors around the area and got the footage of TD walking on Haddington road and then the man following him and gave it to the guards

They were very lucky to get the footage as it was going to be wiped. This was an era where videotapes were used and regularly re recorded over.

There’s a long article on the Irish times site about the disappearance.

Personally I think it’s beyond coincidence that the man appears to be waiting for ages outside the bank then steps out onto the road looking in TDs direction while on a mobile THEN gets to the gate before TD arrives and interacts with him.

Somehow the man in black knew TD was going to pass by and also it appears he knew he was going to the gates of the bank?

Then the video experts are of the view that the same man is seen in the footage from Haddington road. All very odd.

Oink · 09-12-2020 8:44am

God there must the equivalent of a small town buried in all the bogs on this island.

Imagine if one day they announce a full scan of all bogs/fields to a depth of 5meters, using revolutionary new satellite technology. There won’t be a shovel left in Woodies...

khalessi · 09-12-2020 9:49am

Oink wrote: »

God there must the equivalent of a small town buried in all the bogs on this island.

Imagine if one day they announce a full scan of all bogs/fields to a depth of 5meters, using revolutionary new satellite technology. There won’t be a shovel left in Woodies...

Bog bodies are fascinating

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 09-12-2020 10:27am

punchdrunk wrote: »

Well if he’d visibly had a few drinks they maybe surmised that he wasn’t going in to start a days work at that hour? again pimps and dealers are wel used to hanging around

So why do you think they didn't just go after him before they go in? Very odd to have a guy waiting outside for 30mins on the phone who also speaks to him at the gate if it was just a random encounter.

oneilla · 09-12-2020 1:09pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The footage was recovered shortly after the disappearance in December 2000.

As far as I remember the family and friends went knocking doors around the area and got the footage of TD walking on Haddington road and then the man following him and gave it to the guards

They were very lucky to get the footage as it was going to be wiped. This was an era where videotapes were used and regularly re recorded over.

Yeah that's right, family&friends got the ATM footage from Haddington Rd.

There was also a couple who walked by that camera within 90 seconds as well as someone who was described as being underdressed for the weather (or something to that effect). The couple contacted Guards and said they saw nothing out of the ordinary. A 2001 Irish Independent article mentions the Haddington Rd footage.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s a long article on the Irish times site about the disappearance.

Personally I think it’s beyond coincidence that the man appears to be waiting for ages outside the bank then steps out onto the road looking in TDs direction while on a mobile THEN gets to the gate before TD arrives and interacts with him.

Somehow the man in black knew TD was going to pass by and also it appears he knew he was going to the gates of the bank?

Then the video experts are of the view that the same man is seen in the footage from Haddington road. All very odd.

If I remember correctly Trevor was on the phone to a security guard named Peter to check if the gate was open - Peter had taken in a deliver shortly beforehand and left the chain unlocked. Trevor stops on the footpath out of camera to finish the call. The mystery man could have overheard the call thus knew Trevor was headed to the gate and this allowed him get there first as Trevor had stopped on the path.

Obviously I can't explain why he was at that corner for ~30 and he steps out to look toward Leeson St shortly before Trevor's arrival.

Edit: the Irish Independent article from Feb 2001 is being a paywall now. It and Barry Cummins' book Missing had a few details which weren't rehashed over the past few years with the renewed appeals.

Day Lewin · 09-12-2020 1:14pm

MattS1 wrote: »

So why do you think they didn't just go after him before they go in? Very odd to have a guy waiting outside for 30mins on the phone who also speaks to him at the gate if it was just a random encounter.

To me, that does suggest that it was not a random encounter.

Trevor may not have known the man, but the man appears to have known him - or known OF him.

odyssey06 · 09-12-2020 1:18pm

oneilla wrote: »

If I remember correctly Trevor was on the phone to a security guard named Peter to check if the gate was open - Peter had taken in a deliver shortly beforehand and left the chain unlocked. Trevor stops on the footpath out of camera to finish the call. The mystery man could have overheard the call thus knew Trevor was headed to the gate and this allowed him get there first as Trevor had stopped on the path.

And Peter the security guard passed away subsequently, I wonder what he would have made of the footage.

barrymanilow · 09-12-2020 1:38pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mary (Marie) Celeste

The British brig Dei Gratia was about 400 miles east of the Azores on December 5, 1872, when crew members spotted a ship adrift in the choppy seas. Capt. David Morehouse was taken aback to discover that the deserted vessel was the Marie Celeste. She had left New York City eight days before him and should have already arrived in Genoa, Italy. He changed course to offer help.

Morehouse sent a boarding party to the ship. Upon boarding they discovered the ship's charts had been tossed about, and the crewmen's belongings were still in their quarters. The ship's only lifeboat was missing, and one of its two pumps had been disassembled. Three and a half feet of water was sloshing about in the ship's hold, though the cargo of 1,701 barrels of industrial alcohol was largely intact.
There was a six-month supply of food and water—but not a soul to consume it, for there was nobody aboard the Mary Celeste, now a "ghost ship" the most famous ghost ship in history!

Spooky.

Crazy, I wonder if someone on the ship had a psychotic break and ordered everyone into the lifeboat at gunpoint , or did an encounter with crew from another ship go wrong somehow , also another older mystery if your interested in that sort of thing is the Dyatlov pass incident although a guy has wrote a book with a pretty convincing theory on what happened there, dead mountain I believe the book is called.

razorblunt · 09-12-2020 1:39pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Another one is the disappearance of Tina satchwell in youghal

Oh that's a question of when.

ohnonotgmail · 09-12-2020 1:42pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mary (Marie) Celeste

The British brig Dei Gratia was about 400 miles east of the Azores on December 5, 1872, when crew members spotted a ship adrift in the choppy seas. Capt. David Morehouse was taken aback to discover that the deserted vessel was the Marie Celeste. She had left New York City eight days before him and should have already arrived in Genoa, Italy. He changed course to offer help.

Morehouse sent a boarding party to the ship. Upon boarding they discovered the ship's charts had been tossed about, and the crewmen's belongings were still in their quarters. The ship's only lifeboat was missing, and one of its two pumps had been disassembled. Three and a half feet of water was sloshing about in the ship's hold, though the cargo of 1,701 barrels of industrial alcohol was largely intact.
There was a six-month supply of food and water—but not a soul to consume it, for there was nobody aboard the Mary Celeste, now a "ghost ship" the most famous ghost ship in history!

Spooky.

Has there not already been a plausible explanation for what happened? https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2006/may/solved-mystery-mary-celeste#:~:text=Now%2C%20however%2C%2021st%20century%20scientific,Briggs%2C%20his%20family%20and%20crew.

km991148 · 09-12-2020 1:45pm

Mr Fegelein disappeared for a while then seemed to come back again. Thats a mystery alright.

sbsquarepants · 09-12-2020 1:56pm

km991148 wrote: »

Mr Fegelein disappeared for a while then seemed to come back again. Thats a mystery alright.

Benzos is my guess:D

Akesh · 09-12-2020 2:12pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Don’t know but it’s very odd how this “man in black” in the footage has never come forward

As far as I'm aware, the one guy they believed to be involved, who is from a family of scumbags in Dublin, is still refusing to speak as he would likely be incriminating himself.

As usual, the investigation by the Gardaí was a complete disaster and the case will likely remain unsolved unless someone gets a hold of that scrote. I believe the suspect and his family have been identified on Twitter.

By all accounts Trevor Deely was a nice guy. It's likely he met his end due to a couple of junkie vermin.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 09-12-2020 3:28pm

Akesh wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, the one guy they believed to be involved, who is from a family of scumbags in Dublin, is still refusing to speak as he would likely be incriminating himself.

As usual, the investigation by the Gardaí was a complete disaster and the case will likely remain unsolved unless someone gets a hold of that scrote. I believe the suspect and his family have been identified on Twitter.

By all accounts Trevor Deely was a nice guy. It's likely he met his end due to a couple of junkie vermin.

I wonder how they managed to leave no evidence if it was an unplanned attack...

km991148 · 09-12-2020 3:34pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Benzos is my guess:D

nah thats what I take to be able to cope with boards.ie :pac:

Day Lewin · 09-12-2020 5:27pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Oh that's a question of when.

The Tina Satchwell case is an open investigation (in theory, anyway) so we can't discuss it in any detail.

But this comment is intriguing.

soiseztomabel · 09-12-2020 10:42pm

MattS1 wrote: »

I wonder how they managed to leave no evidence if it was an unplanned attack...

Pure luck,

Bill Clinton was due to visit the following week so the corporation had big dumpsters dotted around that (and other) areas around Dublin allowing any evidence to be disposed of well before the alarm was raised . Also the taxi strike and ****e weather prevented the usual high volume of traffic thus allowing a greater degree of quietness on the streets

ILoveYourVibes · 09-12-2020 11:35pm

how to become a millionairess!

_Godot_ · 09-12-2020 11:43pm

Who put Bella in the wych elm?

Hamsterchops · 10-12-2020 12:08am

About 200 pages ago I mentioned flight MH370.

Time to bring it up again.

Yes there are several theories, but nobody is 100% sure exactly what happened to that flight. Pilot suicide, possibly? Hijacking gone wrong, possibly? Sabotage, possibly? Cockpit depressurisation, possibly? Fire in the cargo bay, possibly?

Big mystery.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 10-12-2020 12:52pm

Is there any good books that cover more detail of the Deely case? Or similar Irish cases.

ohnonotgmail · 10-12-2020 12:58pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

About 200 pages ago I mentioned flight MH370.

Time to bring it up again.

Yes there are several theories, but nobody is 100% sure exactly what happened to that flight. Pilot suicide, possibly? Hijacking gone wrong, possibly? Sabotage, possibly? Cockpit depressurisation, possibly? Fire in the cargo bay, possibly?

Big mystery.

murder/suicide by the pilot.

bangkok · 10-12-2020 2:53pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

About 200 pages ago I mentioned flight MH370.

Time to bring it up again.

Yes there are several theories, but nobody is 100% sure exactly what happened to that flight. Pilot suicide, possibly? Hijacking gone wrong, possibly? Sabotage, possibly? Cockpit depressurisation, possibly? Fire in the cargo bay, possibly?

Big mystery.

i would be fairly certain US government know, Diego Garccia has high level tracking equipment there, MH370 would have been on their radar at some stage

oneilla · 10-12-2020 4:29pm

MattS1 wrote: »

Is there any good books that cover more detail of the Deely case? Or similar Irish cases.

Barry Cummins' book Missing

Beechwoodspark · 11-12-2020 3:32pm

Broadsheet did an excellent timeline of the Trevor deely case a few years ago

And the series of 3 articles published in the Irish times a few years ago on it are worth reading too

oneilla · 11-12-2020 3:42pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Broadsheet did an excellent timeline of the Trevor deely case a few years ago

And the series of 3 articles published in the Irish times a few years ago on it are worth reading too

The Broadsheet articles are well worth a read and are an important piece in how the 2017 appeal played out. Rosita Boland's series of articles are a must read.

I would strongly advise people to avoid any true crime/unsolved mystery style podcasts and YouTube videos about Trevor Deely. These tend to be made by Americans regurgitating information they've found on the internet.

Edit: there's also the February 2001 article on the Irish Independent website which has some details not since repeated.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 12-12-2020 10:15am

oneilla wrote: »

The Broadsheet articles are well worth a read and are an important piece in how the 2017 appeal played out. Rosita Boland's series of articles are a must read.

I would strongly advise people to avoid any true crime/unsolved mystery style podcasts and YouTube videos about Trevor Deely. These tend to be made by Americans regurgitating information they've found on the internet.

Edit: there's also the February 2001 article on the Irish Independent website which has some details not since repeated.

Would it be possible for anyone to post the articles here or a link to them?

ohnonotgmail · 12-12-2020 12:58pm

They have solved another of the cyphers left by the Zodiac Killer. Unfortunately not the one that contains his name

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Zodiac-340-cypher-cracked-by-code-expert-51-years-15794943.php

punchdrunk · 12-12-2020 1:42pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They have solved another of the cyphers left by the Zodiac Killer. Unfortunately not the one that contains his name

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Zodiac-340-cypher-cracked-by-code-expert-51-years-15794943.php

So many have tried for so long thinking this would crack the case- sadly not but still an amazing feat!

It does give a disturbing insight into his mindset of collecting victims as slaves for the afterlife though.

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/news-and-updates/breaking-news-the-zodiacs-340-cipher-has-been-solved/

MonkieSocks · 12-12-2020 5:59pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They have solved another of the cyphers left by the Zodiac Killer. Unfortunately not the one that contains his name

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Zodiac-340-cypher-cracked-by-code-expert-51-years-15794943.php

Saw this on another thread

Video about the code crackers

punchdrunk · 12-12-2020 7:21pm

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Saw this on another thread

Video about the code crackers

Interesting that he seems to have made some errors and spelling mistakes (either by accident or deliberately)

JeffreyEpspeen · 12-12-2020 7:24pm

punchdrunk wrote: »

Interesting that he seems to have made some errors and spelling mistakes (either by accident or deliberately)

I'm pretty sure he was notorious for that.

punchdrunk · 12-12-2020 7:32pm

JeffreyEpspeen wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he was notorious for that.

Yeah the spelling of paradice is jumping out at me as familiar!

katiek102010 · 12-12-2020 8:55pm

punchdrunk wrote: »

Yeah the spelling of paradice is jumping out at me as familiar!

Jumping out at me too. It is most likely Arthur Lee Allen, or Rick Marshall . My son seems to think the spelling errors are deliberate to make the cracking of the cipher more difficult.

MonkieSocks · 12-12-2020 9:01pm

Good site about the Zodiac killer.

Lots of good information

Scroll down to the bottom of the page for lots of links to letters and photos

https://www.zodiackiller.com/VPDER.html

Your favourite unsolved mystery?

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