M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

Reputable Rog · 12-09-2017 8:57pm

Isambard wrote: »

the Waterloo junction is a bad one, several bad accidents there. Is it the sightlines I wonder?

I had a guy pull out across the junction right under my bonnet and I only missed him by pulling right across the road almost on to the grass , thankfully the road was clear.

People take chances there coming up from Waterloo. I don't think it's too bad sightlines wise, could do with a longer turning lane.
At the end of the day the road is at capacity and needs to be replaced/ upgraded.

boardsuser1 · 12-09-2017 9:11pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

People take chances there coming up from Waterloo. I don't think it's too bad sightlines wise, could do with a longer turning lane.
At the end of the day the road is at capacity and needs to be replaced/ upgraded.

I've told these 3 that already, not that i'll get a response.

https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/907572031587328000

marno21 · 12-09-2017 9:16pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I've told these 3 that already, not that i'll get a response.

https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/907572031587328000

Leo has said several times that he's pro M20 since becoming Taoiseach.

If he is, you will see a definite announcement before year end as he is publishing his new capital plan and the roads budgets for 2018.

boardsuser1 · 12-09-2017 9:56pm

marno21 wrote: »

Leo has said several times that he's pro M20 since becoming Taoiseach.

If he is, you will see a definite announcement before year end as he is publishing his new capital plan and the roads budgets for 2018.

https://twitter.com/corksafetyalert/status/907706980374020097
I really hope he keeps his word.

Tree down on the road now.

Isambard · 12-09-2017 10:52pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

People take chances there coming up from Waterloo. I don't think it's too bad sightlines wise, could do with a longer turning lane.
At the end of the day the road is at capacity and needs to be replaced/ upgraded.

there is no turning lane any more coming up from Waterloo, these were done away with some time ago, although people use the hard shoulder as an acceleration lane which is quite annoying

rounders · 12-09-2017 11:30pm

Isambard wrote: »

there is no turning lane any more coming up from Waterloo, these were done away with some time ago, although people use the hard shoulder as an acceleration lane which is quite annoying

Why is it quiet annoying? Without it I wouldnt be able to join the traffic in the mornings. I speed up in the hard shoulder to match the speed of the traffic instead of pulling straight out in front of on coming traffic.

Isambard · 13-09-2017 7:54am

rounders wrote: »

Why is it quiet annoying? Without it I wouldnt be able to join the traffic in the mornings. I speed up in the hard shoulder to match the speed of the traffic instead of pulling straight out in front of on coming traffic.

because it's distracting to have a vehicle wandering along the hard shoulder which may pull out in front of you at any time. Potentially dangerous.

Reputable Rog · 13-09-2017 8:51am

Isambard wrote: »

there is no turning lane any more coming up from Waterloo, these were done away with some time ago, although people use the hard shoulder as an acceleration lane which is quite annoying

I was referring to the turning land on the N20, it was still there this morning.

Calina · 13-09-2017 10:27am

marno21 wrote: »

Leo has said several times that he's pro M20 since becoming Taoiseach.

If he is, you will see a definite announcement before year end as he is publishing his new capital plan and the roads budgets for 2018.

I will not believe he is pro M20 until he commits hard actual funds to it. He was Transport Minister who canceled it 6 years ago.

GoneHome · 13-09-2017 11:00am

Reputable Rog wrote: »

one particular lady in a Red Toyota was the culprit this morning and has been many mornings, stuck in a straight line doing 60kph the whole way.

I think at this stage everyone travelling the N20 between 7.30 and 8.00 weekday mornings would be familiar with this particular driver, her driving is very questionable and in my opinion downright dangerous at times, no way will she pull over to leave the traffic pass her, there's been mornings where there are literally dozens of vehicles behind her with some attempting to overtake at dangerous/busy stretches of the road out of pure frustration had having been behind her for miles. I've been tempted to report her to the Gardai on several occasions, and one of these days I will before she is the cause of a serious accident.

Isambard · 13-09-2017 12:27pm

GoneHome wrote: »

I think at this stage everyone travelling the N20 between 7.30 and 8.00 weekday mornings would be familiar with this particular driver, her driving is very questionable and in my opinion downright dangerous at times, no way will she pull over to leave the traffic pass her, there's been mornings where there are literally dozens of vehicles behind her with some attempting to overtake at dangerous/busy stretches of the road out of pure frustration had having been behind her for miles. I've been tempted to report her to the Gardai on several occasions, and one of these days I will before she is the cause of a serious accident.

I can just imagine the frustration that causes through the 2+1 where you can't pass at all.

road_high · 13-09-2017 12:39pm

GoneHome wrote: »

I think at this stage everyone travelling the N20 between 7.30 and 8.00 weekday mornings would be familiar with this particular driver, her driving is very questionable and in my opinion downright dangerous at times, no way will she pull over to leave the traffic pass her, there's been mornings where there are literally dozens of vehicles behind her with some attempting to overtake at dangerous/busy stretches of the road out of pure frustration had having been behind her for miles. I've been tempted to report her to the Gardai on several occasions, and one of these days I will before she is the cause of a serious accident.

I really think you should have a word. I know she likely needs the car to get around etc but I'm actually very sick of the cavalier attitude a huge swath of the Irish motoring populace have to driving and their "ah sure it's grand" attitude. Driving behavior and road safety starts at the individual level.

Reputable Rog · 13-09-2017 12:48pm

I think if every poster here who gets stuck behind her, reports her, something might get done.
I saw her parked up outside Dairygold in Mallow a few weeks ago and she was trying to get onto the road, talk about an ordeal,edging on and then stopping due to traffic nearly 200 metres away from her.

GoneHome · 13-09-2017 1:16pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

talk about an ordeal,edging on and then stopping due to traffic nearly 200 metres away from her.

You would possibly make some allowance if she was elderly, not familiar with busy roads, etc but she appears to be only in her 50s and has been travelling that Mallow/Cork route for years, previously in a red Toyota Starlet! I would be surprised if she has not been reported to the Gardai already as this has been going on for years.

Mc Love · 13-09-2017 2:41pm

Probably still on her provisional licence

road_high · 13-09-2017 3:53pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

I think if every poster here who gets stuck behind her, reports her, something might get done.
I saw her parked up outside Dairygold in Mallow a few weeks ago and she was trying to get onto the road, talk about an ordeal,edging on and then stopping due to traffic nearly 200 metres away from her.

Is she an older or younger lady? She needs to be taken aside and taught to drive competently. If she can't do that, she shouldn't be on the roads.

GoneHome · 13-09-2017 3:56pm

road_high wrote: »

Is she an older or younger lady?

She's only in her 50's!

Reputable Rog · 13-09-2017 3:58pm

road_high wrote: »

Is she an older or younger lady? She needs to be taken aside and taught to drive competently. If she can't do that, she shouldn't be on the roads.

Late 40's- early 50's, glasses. Drives in a continuous straight line. Sometimes I spot her ahead of me in Sundays Well and I know its going to be breaking all the way Blarney.
If I catch a break at the cross before Blarney and I can sometimes overtake her around Blarney Business Park.

road_high · 13-09-2017 4:14pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Late 40's- early 50's, glasses. Drives in a continuous straight line. Sometimes I spot her ahead of me in Sundays Well and I know its going to be breaking all the way Blarney.
If I catch a break at the cross before Blarney and I can sometimes overtake her around Blarney Business Park.

Roads are too busy these days for this kind of rubbish, hazards of all kinds, including drivers should be addressed.

Middle Man · 13-09-2017 6:36pm

road_high wrote: »

Roads are too busy these days for this kind of rubbish, hazards of all kinds, including drivers should be addressed.

Banish all the speeders and crawlers - things would be so much better for all of us ordinary decent drivers. Encountered two speeding arseholes today - one that took me via the hard shoulder despite the fact that I had accelerated to near the speed limit (80kph) shortly after a roundabout - another took me on a ghost island in a traffic calming zone - both those idiots need to redo their driving test - theory and all! Other days, I get dangerous crawlers on the M1 (around 80kph) even with a reasonable parallel alternative (R132) that has an 80kph limit.

GoneHome · 14-09-2017 10:43am

Reputable Rog wrote: »

If I catch a break at the cross before Blarney and I can sometimes overtake her around Blarney Business Park.

Last Winter on a dark morning I overtook her before entering the 50k limit near Blarney as I knew she would continue to drive at 30k all the way into Western Road, well she put her full head lights on me for a good 5 minutes, again dangerous carry on. I've regularly seen several cars having to overtake her on that 50k stretch from Blarney into Shanakill as her driving is almost at a standstill on that stretch, a tractor would be driving faster!

boardsuser1 · 14-09-2017 10:45am

GoneHome wrote: »

Last Winter on a dark morning I overtook her before entering the 50k limit near Blarney as I knew she would continue to drive at 30k all the way into Western Road, well she put her full head lights on me for a good 5 minutes, again dangerous carry on. I've regularly seen several cars having to overtake her on that 50k stretch from Blarney into Shanakill as her driving is almost at a standstill on that stretch, a tractor would be driving faster!

Is that the route she takes? up along ****** hill towards Clogheen towards Sunday's well?

Can't say i've seen her around here but i'll be keeping a bloody eye out!

GoneHome · 14-09-2017 10:51am

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Is that the route she takes? up along ****** hill towards Clogheen towards Sunday's well?

Yes that's the route she takes from Mallow and then turns left at Western Road heading towards UCC, drives an 08 Toyota Corolla. I only ever come across her in the mornings between 7.30 and 8.00 on various parts of the N20, not sure what time she does the return journey.

boardsuser1 · 14-09-2017 10:58am

GoneHome wrote: »

Yes that's the route she takes from Mallow and then turns left at Western Road heading towards UCC, drives an 08 Toyota Corolla. I only ever come across her in the mornings between 7.30 and 8.00 on various parts of the N20, not sure what time she does the return journey.

That lady is actually on 39 would you believe :pac:

Middle Man · 14-09-2017 11:01am

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That lady is actually on 39 would you believe :pac:

Really surprising given that so many young female drivers would run you off the road - had to take evasive action on a couple of occasions.

boardsuser1 · 14-09-2017 11:08am

Middle Man wrote: »

Really surprising given that so many young female drivers would run you off the road - had to take evasive action on a couple of occasions.

I've come across her in the truck on a few occasions, i've actually parked up and taken my break when i seen her previously.

road_high · 14-09-2017 11:21am

Report her! She sounds like an absolute menace for other road users...

boardsuser1 · 14-09-2017 11:25am

road_high wrote: »

Report her! She sounds like an absolute menace for other road users...

Oh jayus if only i could say here publicly what she's like :rolleyes:

Sam Russell · 14-09-2017 12:23pm

Mod: Can we leave driving style to the motoring forum and keep this thread firmly on the M20 - Cork to Limerick.

I may delete off topic posts later.

GoneHome · 15-09-2017 11:42pm

I have to say the new roundabout layout at Annabella, Mallow, is a huge improvement, especially with traffic coming from Cork during evening rush-hour.

marno21 · 15-09-2017 11:45pm

GoneHome wrote: »

I have to say the new roundabout layout at Annabella, Mallow, is a huge improvement, especially with traffic coming from Cork during evening rush-hour.

I would agree.

Mallow's biggest bottleneck now is the N20 Plaza, with queues forming at peak times because there's no filter lane to turn right southbound. Could do with removing the layby across the road and installing a filter lane to solve the issues as it's very busy.

The layby can be accomodated elsewhere.

GoneHome · 15-09-2017 11:55pm

marno21 wrote: »

Mallow's biggest bottleneck now is the N20 Plaza

Absolutely, it's an awful bottleneck and at times downright dangerous especially in the mornings with traffic trying to exit heading towards Mallow. Rathduff is also becoming somewhat of a bottleneck in the evenings, traffic coming to a complete standstill the last few weeks from well below the beginning of the overtaking lane on the Cork side for no apparent reason.

L1011 · 16-09-2017 12:07am

I assumed they'd done something slightly more than rebranding that roadside Topaz to become the Mallow Plaza; like maybe building an actual new "MSA" equivalent.

The photos on their facebook page suggest they didn't.

That really is quite pathetic for all the marketing it got.

GoneHome · 16-09-2017 12:11am

L1011 wrote: »

I assumed they'd done something slightly more than rebranding that roadside Topaz to become the Mallow Plaza; like maybe building an actual new "MSA" equivalent.

The photos on their facebook page suggest they didn't.

That really is quite pathetic for all the marketing it got.

It's a nightmare of a place and to think they applied for planning permission a couple of years ago to make the SuperMacs a drive-thru how was that going to happen with the limited space they have as it is?

Reputable Rog · 16-09-2017 9:23am

GoneHome wrote: »

It's a nightmare of a place and to think they applied for planning permission a couple of years ago to make the SuperMacs a drive-thru how was that going to happen with the limited space they have as it is?

They applied for permission to retain the Supermacs, they just moved in without planning permission, same as Ballyhea.
People give out by Starbucks but Supermacs are notorious for breaches of the Planning code.

corinthion · 16-09-2017 9:35am

GoneHome wrote: »

I have to say the new roundabout layout at Annabella, Mallow, is a huge improvement, especially with traffic coming from Cork during evening rush-hour.

while i find that a huge improvement in the Cork-Limerick direction and vice averse i think it has caused more of a problem coming from the Killarney side at peak times , im not sure about coming out of Mallow town itself , but the Killarney road is now turning out a bit of a disaster if your heading to Cork

Isambard · 16-09-2017 9:39am

GoneHome wrote: »

It's a nightmare of a place and to think they applied for planning permission a couple of years ago to make the SuperMacs a drive-thru how was that going to happen with the limited space they have as it is?

there's actually oceans of room behind the forecourt.

The other danger point on this section is the Hospital junction which is 100km/h limited and has two roads joining at the same point on the same side of the road. Can be highly dangerous. If you are waiting to exit the hospital and a north bound car is indicating , you don't know if they are taking your road or the second turning.

Isambard · 16-09-2017 9:40am

corinthion wrote: »

while i find that a huge improvement in the Cork-Limerick direction and vice averse i think it has caused more of a problem coming from the Killarney side at peak times , im not sure about coming out of Mallow town itself , but the Killarney road is now turning out a bit of a disaster if your heading to Cork

I have noticed that but I think it's just people getting used to it and will improve.

Kevwoody · 20-09-2017 7:17pm

6pm on a wet Wednesday evening on the road connecting Ireland's 2nd and 3rd cities.

Idbatterim · 20-09-2017 7:20pm

my god! Why the f**k were multiple massively expensive motorways given the go ahead before this, some of which are about to open?! Its an absolute disgrace!

BelfastVanMan · 20-09-2017 7:21pm

Kevwoody wrote: »

6pm on a wet Wednesday evening on the road connecting Ireland's 2nd and 3rd cities.

It beggars belief.

boardsuser1 · 20-09-2017 7:28pm

Kevwoody wrote: »

6pm on a wet Wednesday evening on the road connecting Ireland's 2nd and 3rd cities.

Nowhere else in Europe would you witness that on a main road linking 2 major cities.

Kevwoody · 20-09-2017 7:30pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Nowhere else in Europe would you witness that on a main road linking 2 major cities.

Presumably it happens twice a day almost every day.

boardsuser1 · 20-09-2017 7:35pm

Kevwoody wrote: »

Presumably it happens twice a day almost every day.

I agree, I never thought of it nor saw it in all my years travelling back and forth on that road.

Kevwoody · 20-09-2017 7:37pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

my god! Why the f**k were multiple massively expensive motorways given the go ahead before this, some of which are about to open?! Its an absolute disgrace!

The M17/18 is as badly needed as a new M20 in my opinion. I travel both roads weekly and believe it or not, I'd rather the likes of Claregalway and Oranmore bypassed before Charleville or Mallow.
That being said, from a safety and sheer traffic volume point of view, yes the M20 should have been done first, but I'm confident Varadkar will push it through soon.

boardsuser1 · 20-09-2017 7:43pm

Kevwoody wrote: »

The M17/18 is as badly needed as a new M20 in my opinion. I travel both roads weekly and believe it or not, I'd rather the likes of Claregalway and Oranmore bypassed before Charleville or Mallow.
That being said, from a safety and sheer traffic volume point of view, yes the M20 should have been done first, but I'm confident Varadkar will push it through soon.

What strikes me as odd is varadkar is all for it now but was also the one who cancelled the project in 2011 yet the other projects went ahead.

Aontachtoir · 20-09-2017 7:51pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Kevwoody wrote: »

The M17/18 is as badly needed as a new M20 in my opinion. I travel both roads weekly and believe it or not, I'd rather the likes of Claregalway and Oranmore bypassed before Charleville or Mallow.
That being said, from a safety and sheer traffic volume point of view, yes the M20 should have been done first, but I'm confident Varadkar will push it through soon.

What strikes me as odd is varadkar is all for it now but was also the one who cancelled the project in 2011 yet the other projects went ahead.

Nothing odd about it. We had no money then. We have money now. It's a nice reflection on how we've turned around so much since then that Varadkar could be the one to finally give it the green light.

MayoSalmon · 20-09-2017 7:52pm

Idbatterim wrote:

my god! Why the f**k were multiple massively expensive motorways given the go ahead before this, some of which are about to open?! Its an absolute disgrace!

You can take that up with all the Munster politicians over the years...your rant should begin and end with them.

Cookiemunster · 20-09-2017 9:28pm

Aontachtoir wrote: »

Nothing odd about it. We had no money then. We have money now. It's a nice reflection on how we've turned around so much since then that Varadkar could be the one to finally give it the green light.

It didn't need to be cancelled. It was before ABP. It may have had a headline €1bn price, but the cost would have been spread out over the course of a number of years (up to 30 if it was a PPP). And the cost of the CPOs would have been much cheaper during the recession.

Aontachtoir · 20-09-2017 10:15pm

The motorway had been rejected by ABP, I believe. Furthermore, ABP approval is not good forever - you use it or you lose it. There was no foreseeable chance that the motorway would be built while planning was potentially valid because we were locked into the IMF bailout (we were using their money, not ours). As such, continuing on with a planning process that would probably have to be repeated anyway was a waste of money that we didn't have. And you can't CPO if you don't have the cash for the P part.

Cancelling the M20 was not a dastardly act by a Dublin politician looking to screw over Cork. It was an unavoidable symptom of our economic failure at the time.

M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

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