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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Hermy wrote: »

    Any thoughts for the place of birth of the son?

    Could it be Cloon? (from Cluan = a meadow)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Could it be Cloon? (from Cluan = a meadow)

    Yes I see that now.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    http://imgur.com/a/fazjl

    Can anyone make out the sponsors please: "? and Mary Wixted"?

    P.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Colin?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Cole?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    Jno Pole and Mary Wixted?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    John Cole and Mary or Norry Wixted perhaps....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    I go for Pole - the P in Philip and the first letter of Pole are identical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    I'd say John Pole and Norry or Mary Wixtead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    https://imgur.com/gallery/yJjoY

    Hi, I originally thought this said foot master, now I'm not so sure. Its from a workhouse record if anyone has any ideas!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Asst. Master.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    spurious wrote: »
    Asst. Master.

    That's it, thanks! Just realised Its not the person I was looking for after all that though.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Most of the death entries on this page have one of two words written after them that look like either statis or actatis.
    Does anyone know what they mean? (register is from Legan, Co. Longford)

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Farmer.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Farmer.

    Simple as that!:)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lottpaul


    Hermy wrote: »
    Most of the death entries on this page have one of two words written after them that look like either statis or actatis.
    Does anyone know what they mean? (register is from Legan, Co. Longford)


    aetatis would mean "aged" or "at the age of" -- otatis might just be a misspelling?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Aetas means 'age' and aetatis is its genitive singular, 'of age' - in the register shown it simply means that the individuals were aged as Lottpaul says. FWIW a farmer is agricola, often to be found in the alumni register of TCD


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    'Tatis' is translated by google as 'farm' so I just put 2 and 2 together... apologies :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 roslyn000123


    Hi guys, I hope you don't mind me jumping in.. unfortunately I can't post links because I haven't had more than 50 posts.. admin has kindly offered to post the link for me.
    On the website Irishgenealogy.com my aunt who died in August 1934 at age 15, I can't understand a lot of the writing..
    I can make out were she died, her age, but for cause I can only make out TB, Cardiac but cannot make out the 2 other listed causes..
    Also under occupation it says
    us child? I've no idea why it says or means.. wonder if any of you guys could help?
    Any help is very much appreciated
    Roslyn

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04839/4305413.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    'Tatis' is translated by google as 'farm' so I just put 2 and 2 together... apologies :o
    O fortunatis nimium, sua si bona norint, agricolas!:)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    http://i.imgur.com/ZO2SDTG.jpg

    Another one please (the one on the 5th):

    "5 married ??? ??? Daniel Ryan, Gooig, & Anna Moloney ???? ????????? ???? Mary Flynn ?????"

    EDIT: Full page here: http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632633#page/119/mode/1up - 5 Feb 1865

    P.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    Hi guys, I hope you don't mind me jumping in.. unfortunately I can't post links because I haven't had more than 50 posts.. admin has kindly offered to post the link for me.
    On the website Irishgenealogy.com my aunt who died in August 1934 at age 15, I can't understand a lot of the writing..
    I can make out were she died, her age, but for cause I can only make out TB, Cardiac but cannot make out the 2 other listed causes..
    Also under occupation it says
    us child? I've no idea why it says or means.. wonder if any of you guys could help?
    Any help is very much appreciated
    Roslyn

    Sarah Casey - 1934 Boyle ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    shanew wrote: »

    date and place of death : 1934 14th Sept. 1934, Ardsallagh
    name & surname : Sarah Casey
    Sex : Female
    Condition: Spinster
    Reported Age : 15
    Rank, Profession or Occupation : daughter of farmer
    Cause of death and duration of illness : T.B. Kidney 1 year, cardiac failure, 4 days certified
    Informant, qualification and residence : Lizzie Casey, mother, present at death, Ardsallagh

    think I've picked up some one else - just spotted you mentioned August...

    I'll wait for the link...


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 roslyn000123


    shanew wrote: »
    date and place of death : 1934 14th Sept. 1934, Ardsallagh
    name & surname : Sarah Casey
    Sex : Female
    Condition: Spinster
    Reported Age : 15
    Rank, Profession or Occupation : daughter of farmer
    Cause of death and duration of illness : T.B. Kidney 1 year, cardiac failure, 4 days certified
    Informant, qualification and residence : Lizzie Casey, mother, present at death, Ardsallagh

    think I've picked up some one else - just spotted you mentioned August...

    I'll wait for the link...

    Sorry I should have said Christina Roche, died in Dublin, August 1934 age 15

    Sorry I should have put her name


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Christina Roche

    Pulminary tuberculosis
    cardiac ?
    certified

    Labourer's child - as in she had no occupation herself, but that's what her father did.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    I actually found a few 15 year old girls that died from TB in that quarter of 1934..
    here's the link to the death of Christina Roche


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    cardiac syncope


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 roslyn000123


    Thanks so much, I appreciate that, your all so good, my eyes were going googly trying to read it about 3 weeks now..
    The family never agreed she had TB, she had just come from an industrial school, don't know why they signed off on TB when they believed something else caused her death..


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Mod note: where possible, please link to the original whole page of the register in question. It helps to see other examples of the same handwriting.

    Oceanclub: I can't make out yours: it's too small, can you post the full page link please?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 snobbles


    Hi,
    Can anyone help me with the following marriage record please.

    http://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000632399_079

    It's for my g g grandparents wedding in Clonmacnoise.
    It's towards the bottom of the page for February 23rd 1865.
    Manus Galvin and Elleanorum Maguinnis?
    Witnesses Stephen Galvin and Marie Curley.
    Dispensation 4 et 4?
    Does this mean they were 3rd (blood) cousins?
    Many thanks


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    oceanclub wrote: »
    http://i.imgur.com/ZO2SDTG.jpg

    Another one please (the one on the 5th):

    "5 married ??? ??? Daniel Ryan, Gooig, & Anna Moloney ???? ????????? ???? Mary Flynn ?????"

    EDIT: Full page here: http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632633#page/119/mode/1up - 5 Feb 1865

    P.

    Married by Do. (which is the priest last named, Rev McCleary, further up the page), Daniel Ryan, Gooig and Anna Moloney, witnesses Edward Noctor?? and Mary Flynn, Ashroe.

    **edit rootsireland have it as Edmond Moore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    snobbles wrote: »
    Hi,
    Dispensation 4 et 4?
    Does this mean they were 3rd (blood) cousins?
    Many thanks

    Yes.

    4th and 4th degrees of consanguinity (both four generations from common ancestors) = 3rd cousins.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    So this is the 1911 Canadian census. I'm looking at a family third from bottom called McPartlin.

    Particularly interested to see what people think the wife is called and the second child

    John (husband "chef" in French)
    ?
    Anna
    ?
    Stuart
    Ernest

    Transcription on FMP seems dodgy to me and they don't match what looks like the same family on 1901. I won't influence thoughts by telling you what they are though!

    Thanks.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Gesse and Lizzie?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    My guess ...

    John Johan?
    Gesse 'G' based on a couple of other names on the page George
    Anna
    Liese the 's' is doubtful due to correction
    Stuart
    Emmet

    Don't seem quite right :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    On second thoughts I think I concur with Johnboy - it's not Lizzie - it's Liese or something similar.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    The years of birth don't match up with the stated ages. There may be lots of errors on it.

    edit**
    The 1901 census lists
    John
    Jessie
    Annie
    and
    Elizabeth.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yes, that's right - I was holding off showing what the 1901 said until a couple of people had responses.

    There's some discrepancies: 1901 has exact DOBs but 1911 just has month year. The months match in every case but the years are off on some of those people.

    I'm still inclined to think it's the same family on both though. I don't have an Ancestry sub at the moment so I can't compare theirs.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,297 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Oh I'd say it's the same family alright.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Looks like Gesse and Lizze to me, the census taker's version of Jessie and Lizzie. Perhaps English was not his first language.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I’d agree with VirginiaB on her take on the Census enumerator. He filled in that sheet bilingually – using a mixture of French and English. In the preceding entry he has fevrier, avril and august, while elsewhere he has ‘aout’, although missing the circumflex.
    In ‘French French’ ‘Chef’* is ‘head’, as in ‘head of family’ (not necessarily husband); ‘femme’ is wife. Informally one would say ‘ma femme’ / my wife (literally ‘my woman’), but formally or in a legal context one would say ‘mon épouse’. A wife would always say ‘mon epoux’ but never ‘mon homme’
    Canadian French is different (and without wishing to give offense to Tac Foley who posts here sometimes) so are the French Canadians!;)
    Au Canada, on n’a jamais un trou, toujours on a un flat!

    *Chef the cook is from 'chef de cuisine' = head of [the] kitchen'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    any ideas for the name of the bride's father on this 1886 marriage ?
    I think it might start with a 'C'... for reference the full civil record is here, 2nd entry on the page, thanks
    414307.jpg


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Wm for William?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    I thought I saw an 'm' also - although a little sideways and squished, the first letter is a bit like the 'W' in White on the previous marriage..


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    It's also a bit like the D in Dublin on that previous marriage!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    looks like the registrar has an annoying habit of altering his letter structure - the 'S' in Stillorgan is formed two different ways on the same marriage... he's trying to make it complicated for me! Both are signed by J'[?] Boyce but the handwrting is a little different in some sections


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    I am sure its William Farrell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I looked at the entry before scrolling down and saw Wm Farrell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    many thanks - I'm going with William, and putting it down as a strange 'W' at an angle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭VirginiaB


    How about C for Cornelius?


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