Football ranking table

Barlett · 13-10-2016 12:20pm

Just out of interest Laoisman, why are Mayo below Kerry, is it the loss to Galway?

Fr Tod Umptious · 13-10-2016 12:57pm

Barlett wrote: »

Just out of interest Laoisman, why are Mayo below Kerry, is it the loss to Galway?

Because that's just the way life is Bartlett.

Just as we will always be above the inferior Rossie, Kerry will always be ahead of us

ArielAtom · 13-10-2016 1:17pm

Interesting stats, we are led to believe that Ulster is the hardest provincial title to win, but with 4 teams in the top 9 would it not point towards Munster?
Connaught and Leinster, well the less we say about that the better!!!

Jayop · 13-10-2016 3:32pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

Interesting stats, we are led to believe that Ulster is the hardest provincial title to win, but with 4 teams in the top 9 would it not point towards Munster?
Connaught and Leinster, well the less we say about that the better!!!

There's something in that, but again you could pick a different arbitrary number and say there's 6 Ulster teams in the top 15 making it the strongest in terms of strength in depth.

Tipp and Clare's emergence has certainly spiced up Munster though and Cork would really want to mind themselves if they don't want to be pushed aside by Tipp in the long run.

I still think that most of the top 5 ulster teams would beat Clare in a given day so I wouldn't be OTT about their high placement.

CrabRevolution · 13-10-2016 3:53pm

It could be argued that for the majority of counties involved, Leinster is the hardest title to win in both codes

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Any argument of "the hardest province" is always very selective and arbitrary. Like for over 10 years Tyrone and Armagh swapped the Ulster title between them but people still went on about how anyone could win it, citing draws and qualifiers and all sorts .

This year was unusually poor for Ulster teams by the usual standard. Between the 9 counties, they only amassed 6 wins between them outside of the Ulster Championship (Derry vs Louth, Meath and Cavan. Fermanagh vs Wexford. Cavan vs Carlow, and Donegal vs Cork).

laoisman11 · 15-01-2017 3:30pm

NFL 2017 is just around the corner, so I had a go at ranking teams in each division based on their rating points. This has been previously shown to give some indication of whether a team will finish in relegation/promotion territory.

2017 NFL
Div 1| Rating| Div 2| Rating| Div 3| Rating| Div 4| Rating
Dublin | 111 | Clare | 91| Tipperary | 92| Westmeath | 84
Kerry | 103 | Galway | 89 | Longford | 80| Wexford | 72
Mayo | 103 | Cork | 88| Laois | 78| Limerick | 71
Tyrone | 97 | Derry| 85 | Offaly | 77| Carlow | 64
Donegal | 96| Kildare | 84 | Sligo | 75| Leitrim | 63
Monaghan | 84| Fermanagh| 84| Armagh | 74 | Wicklow | 59
Roscommon | 83 | Meath | 82| Louth | 73 | London | 58
Cavan| 83 | Down | 73|Antrim | 68 | Waterford | 57

Tipperary are the obvious outliers here, with Westmeath not far behind. Can they turn last year's championship form into a promotion bid?

Previous year's finishes: tables are sorted by ranking position prior to start of the league, colour indicate top 2 finish (green) or bottom 2 finish (red)

2016 NFL
Div 1| Rating| Div 2| Rating| Div 3| Rating| Div 4| Rating
Dublin | 109 | Tyrone | 96 | Kildare | 93 | Wexford | 76
Kerry | 104 | Galway | 90 | Westmeath | 81 | Antrim | 72
Mayo | 100 | Fermanagh| 89 | Sligo | 81 | Louth | 70
Donegal | 96 | Derry| 86 | Tipperary | 79 | Leitrim | 65
Monaghan | 96 | Meath | 83 | Longford | 78 | Wicklow | 61
Cork | 89 | Armagh | 83 | Clare | 73 | London | 61
Roscommon | 84 | Cavan | 75 | Limerick | 72 | Carlow | 61
Down| 77 | Laois | 72 | Offaly | 71 | Waterford | 56

2015 NFL
Div 1| Rank| Div 2| Rank| Div 3| Rank| Div 4| Rank
Kerry | 1 | Kildare | 9 | Armagh | 7 | Longford | 22
Donegal | 2 | Meath | 10 | Tipperary | 15 | Antrim | 26
Dublin | 3 | Galway | 11 | Louth | 18 | Wicklow | 27
Mayo | 4 | Roscommon | 13 | Wexford | 19 | Leitrim | 28
Monaghan | 5 | Laois | 14 | Clare | 20 | Offaly | 29
Cork | 6 | Down | 16 | Fermanagh | 23 | London | 30
Tyrone | 8 | Cavan | 17 | Limerick | 24 | Carlow | 31
Derry | 12 | Westmeath | 21 | Sligo | 25 | Waterford | 32

2014 NFL
Div 1| Rank| Div 2| Rank| Div 3| Rank| Div 4| Rank
Dublin | 1 | Donegal | 6 | Cavan | 12 | Tipperary | 20
Mayo | 2 | Monaghan | 7 | Wexford | 17 | Antrim | 26
Kerry | 3 | Meath | 9 | Roscommon | 19 | Clare | 27
Tyrone | 4 | Down | 10 | Limerick | 21 | Wicklow | 28
Cork | 5 | Laois | 11 | Fermanagh | 22 | London | 29
Kildare | 8 | Galway | 14 | Longford | 23 | Waterford | 30
Derry | 13 | Louth | 15 | Offaly | 24 | Leitrim | 31
Westmeath | 18 | Armagh | 16 | Sligo | 25 | Carlow | 32

2013 NFL
Div 1| Rank| Div 2| Rank| Div 3| Rank| Div 4| Rank
Donegal | 1 | Laois | 9 | Meath | 10 | Limerick | 17
Cork | 2 | Armagh | 11 | Sligo | 15 | Tipperary | 20
Mayo | 3 | Wexford | 12 | Monaghan | 19 | Clare | 25
Kerry | 4 | Derry | 13 | Roscommon | 21 | Offaly | 27
Dublin | 5 | Galway | 14 | Antrim | 22 | Leitrim | 28
Tyrone | 6 | Westmeath | 16 | Cavan | 24 | Carlow | 29
Kildare | 7 | Longford | 18 | Wicklow | 26 | Waterford | 31
Down | 8 | Louth | 23 | Fermanagh | 30 | London | 33

Last year, I had remarked on the high number of Leinster teams in the red compared to other provinces, but that seems to be correcting itself. What is more remarkable, is that over the last 5 seasons, Connacht teams appear to be quite happy in their respective divisions, with the exception of Roscommon.

Finishes per province (2013-2016 combined)

Province| Top 2 | Bottom 2
Leinster | 10 | 17
Ulster | 13 | 9
Connacht | 2 | 3*
Munster | 7 | 2
*Connacht's 3 bottom 2 finishes are London finishing last in Div 4.

laoisman11 · 07-02-2017 9:54pm

The ranking tables are back! Just when you thought that you had enough to worry about, you can now pile on the agony as you watch your team drop through the rankings and become the laughing stock of the country….…...or is that just me???

Highlights from Round 1 of the NFL:

Louth are the big winners, gaining 3.44 rating points and jumping 5 places following a big win in Portlaoise
Laois, on the otherhand, drop 4 places
All other changes were minimal enough with no team moving more than 2 places except for Waterford who gain 3 places
Down dropped to their lowest ranking since June 2002 after their home loss to Fermanagh
(Some eagle-eyed observers might notice a minor difference in rating points (generally around 0.02 or 0.03) which I can only assume is due to rounding errors)

#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 111.13 | 0.00
2 | = | Kerry | 104.41 | 1.09
3 | = | Mayo | 100.20 | -3.00
4 | = | Tyrone | 97.02 | 0.00
5 | = | Donegal | 95.17 | -1.09
6 | = | Tipperary | 92.36 | 0.00
7 | = | Clare | 90.65 | -0.32
8 | ▲ | Cork | 88.82 | 0.30
9 | ▼ | Galway | 88.27 | -0.30
10 | ▲ | Monaghan | 87.04 | 3.00
11 | ▲ | Kildare | 86.36 | 2.34
12 | ▼ 2 | Derry | 85.12 | 0.32
13 | = | Fermanagh | 84.93 | 1.06
14 | ▲ | Cavan | 83.24 | 0.00
15 | ▲ | Roscommon | 82.72 | 0.00
16 | ▼ 2 | Westmeath | 82.10 | -1.50
17 | ▲ | Longford | 80.71 | 0.92
18 | ▼ | Meath | 79.31 | -2.34
19 | ▲ 5 | Louth | 76.32 | 3.44
20 | = | Offaly | 76.10 | -0.92
21 | ▲ | Armagh | 74.68 | 0.34
22 | ▼ | Sligo | 74.44 | -0.34
23 | ▼ 4 | Laois | 74.38 | -3.44
24 | ▲ | Wexford | 72.72 | 1.12
25 | ▼ 2 | Down | 71.91 | -1.06
26 | = | Limerick | 69.71 | -1.12
27 | = | Antrim | 67.65 | 0.00
28 | ▲ | Leitrim | 65.34 | 2.09
29 | ▼ | Carlow | 65.07 | 1.50
30 | ▲ 3 | Waterford | 58.71 | 1.91
31 | ▲ | New York | 57.16 | 0.00
32 | ▼ 2 | Wicklow | 57.11 | -2.09
33 | ▼ 2 | London | 55.59 | -1.91

Jayop · 07-02-2017 9:59pm

Beat Roscommon = Stay the same
Lose to Tyrone = Gain points

Hon Tyrone!!

Nah, great to see you back for another year Laoisman.

DDC1990 · 08-02-2017 1:19am

Jayop wrote:

Beat Roscommon = Stay the same Lose to Tyrone = Gain points

Roscommon didn't get any points?

They went up because Westmeath went down for drawinf with Carlow.

CrabRevolution · 08-02-2017 3:33am

Clare actually lose points for drawing with Derry in Derry, interesting times we live in!

elefant · 08-02-2017 9:18am

A great weekend for New York. Up to 31st; fair play to them!

Jayop · 08-02-2017 10:02am

DDC1990 wrote: »

Roscommon didn't get any points?

They went up because Westmeath went down for drawinf with Carlow.

I thought when I looked at it yesterday they had .25 or something extra and assumed it was from recalculated numbers. Looked at it wrong but was only joking anyway.

Jayop · 08-02-2017 10:03am

elefant wrote: »

A great weekend for New York. Up to 31st; fair play to them!

For the population they have its fairly poor.

laoisman11 · 13-02-2017 11:12pm

Plenty of minor upsets the weekend gone by to keep the table moving:

Sligo gained the most rating points (3) and climbed 2 places in the rankings with an excellent away win over Tipperary
Others to gain rating points with good away wins were London (2.75), Meath (2.67), Mayo (2.22) and Galway (2.20)
Clare moved to 6th, their highest ever ranking, primarily due to Tipperary dropping 2 places
Wicklow hit their lowest ever ranking and now sit forlornly at the bottom of the table
Armagh slip back to 1975 levels after losing at home to Laois

#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 109.63 | -1.50
2 | ▲ | Mayo | 102.42 | 2.22
3 | ▼ | Kerry | 102.19 | -2.22
4 | = | Tyrone | 98.52 | 1.50
5 | = | Donegal | 95.72 | 0.55
6 | ▲ | Clare | 90.65 | 0.00
7 | ▲ 2 | Galway | 90.47 | 2.20
8 | ▼ 2| Tipperary | 89.36 | -3.00
9 | ▲ 2 | Kildare | 88.53 | 2.17
10 | = | Monaghan | 86.66 | -0.38
11 | ▼ 3 | Cork | 86.65 | -2.17
12 | ▲ 2 | Cavan | 83.62 | 0.38
13 | ▲ 3 | Westmeath | 82.94 | 0.84
14 | ▼ | Fermanagh | 82.73 | -2.20
15 | ▼ 3 | Derry | 82.45 | -2.67
16 | ▼ | Roscommon | 82.17 | -0.55
17 | ▲ | Meath | 81.98 | 2.67
18 | ▼ | Longford | 79.07 | -1.64
19 | = | Louth | 77.96 | 1.64
20 | ▲ 2 | Sligo | 77.44 | 3.00
21 | ▼ | Offaly | 76.63 | 0.53
22 | ▲ | Laois | 76.21 | 1.83
23 | ▲ | Wexford | 73.78 | 1.06
24 | ▼ 3 | Armagh | 72.85 | -1.83
25 | = | Down | 71.91 | 0.00
26 | = | Limerick | 68.87 | -0.84
27 | = | Antrim | 67.12 | -0.53
28 | = | Leitrim | 64.28 | -1.06
29 | = | Carlow | 62.32 | -2.75
30 | = | Waterford | 60.27 | 1.56
31 | ▲ 2 | London | 58.34 | 2.75
32 | ▼ | New York | 57.16 | 0.00
33 | ▼ | Wicklow | 55.55 | -1.56

Jayop · 13-02-2017 11:25pm

Nothing between Mayo and Kerry now in points and that reflects reality too. I'd say in a championship semi final there'd be nothing more than a point or two between them.

laoisman11 · 27-02-2017 10:43pm

Round 3 of the NFL threw up another slew of shocks (as the results of our guesses in the NFL pools thread will surely show!). The big winners this week were:

Monaghan, who gained 3 rating points with a hard fought win in Killarney, and who move up 2 places into the top (super?) 8.
Armagh, gaining 2.42 rating points and jumping 3 places in the table
Louth are also worth a mention here; while they gained another 1.67 rating points this weekend, their net balance since the start of the league is +6.75.

#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 108.54 | -1.09
2 | = | Mayo | 102.42 | 0.00
3 | = | Kerry | 99.19 | -3.00
4 | = | Tyrone | 98.52 | 0.00
5 | = | Donegal | 96.81 | 1.09
6 | ▲ | Galway | 92.30 | 1.83
7 | ▲ | Tipperary | 90.09 | 0.73
8 | ▲ 2 | Monaghan | 89.66 | 3.00
9 | ▼ 3 | Clare | 88.82 | -1.83
10 | ▲ | Cork | 87.86 | 1.21
11 | ▼ 2 | Kildare | 86.72 | -1.81
12 | ▲ 3 | Derry | 84.26 | 1.81
13 | ▼ | Cavan | 83.62 | 0.00
14 | ▼ | Westmeath | 82.94 | 0.00
15 | ▲ | Roscommon | 82.17 | 0.00
16 | ▼ 2 | Fermanagh | 81.52 | -1.21
17 | = | Meath | 79.77 | -2.21
18 | ▲ | Louth | 79.63 | 1.67
19 | ▼ | Longford | 76.65 | -2.42
20 | ▲ 2 | Laois | 75.48 | -0.73
21 | ▲ 3 | Armagh | 75.27 | 2.42
22 | ▼ 2 | Sligo | 75.21 | -2.23
23 | ▼ 2 | Offaly | 74.96 | -1.67
24 | ▲ | Down | 74.12 | 2.21
25 | ▼ 2 | Wexford | 73.78 | 0.00
26 | ▲ | Antrim | 69.35 | 2.23
27 | ▼ | Limerick | 67.01 | -1.86
28 | = | Leitrim | 64.28 | 0.00
29 | = | Carlow | 64.18 | 1.86
30 | = | Waterford | 60.27 | 0.00
31 | ▲ 2 | Wicklow | 57.77 | 2.22
32 | = | New York | 57.16 | 0.00
33 | ▼ 2 | London | 56.12 | -2.22

laoisman11 · 07-03-2017 12:35pm

A few more shocks the weekend gone by, and none moreso than Down's big win away to Derry, the result of which means 4.22 rating points are exchanged between the sides. Down move up 5 ranking places and Derry drop 5
Meath also fared well from their win over Galway, gaining 2.45 rating points and climbing 3 places in the rankings
Other big movers were Clare (up 3 places) and Laois (down 3 places)

#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 109.42 | 0.88
2 | = | Mayo | 101.54 | -0.88
3 | = | Kerry | 99.34 | 0.15
4 | = | Tyrone | 98.83 | 0.31
5 | = | Donegal | 97.53 | 0.72
6 | ▲ 3 | Clare | 90.48 | 1.66
7 | = | Tipperary | 90.09 | 0.00
8 | ▼ 2 | Galway | 89.85 | -2.45
9 | ▼ | Monaghan | 89.35 | -0.31
10 | ▲ | Kildare | 87.74 | 1.02
11 | ▼ | Cork | 86.20 | -1.66
12 | ▲ 2 | Westmeath | 82.94 | 0.00
13 | = | Cavan | 82.90 | -0.72
14 | ▲ 3 | Meath | 82.22 | 2.45
15 | = | Roscommon | 82.02 | -0.15
16 | = | Fermanagh | 80.50 | -1.02
17 | ▼ 5 | Derry | 80.04 | -4.22
18 | = | Louth | 79.80 | 0.17
19 | ▲ 5 | Down | 78.34 | 4.22
20 | ▲ | Armagh | 77.02 | 1.75
21 | ▼ 2 | Longford | 76.65 | 0.00
22 | = | Sligo | 76.44 | 1.23
23 | ▼ 3 | Laois | 74.25 | -1.23
24 | ▲ | Wexford | 73.98 | 0.20
25 | ▼ 2 | Offaly | 73.21 | -1.75
26 | = | Antrim | 69.18 | -0.17
27 | = | Limerick | 67.12 | 0.11
28 | = | Leitrim | 65.47 | 1.19
29 | = | Carlow | 62.99 | -1.19
30 | = | Waterford | 60.27 | 0.00
31 | = | Wicklow | 57.57 | -0.20
32 | = | New York | 57.16 | 0.00
33 | = | London | 56.01 | -0.11

BonnieSituation · 07-03-2017 12:43pm

We all know about the "gap between the top 5 in the country and the rest. But it's stark!

danganabu · 07-03-2017 12:48pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We all know about the "gap between the top 5 in the country and the rest. But it's stark!

The gap between the top 1 is bigger!

BonnieSituation · 07-03-2017 1:13pm

I didn't want to say it lest I be accused of bias.

Jayop · 07-03-2017 2:16pm

Clare and Tipp tho

laoisman11 · 21-03-2017 8:11pm

Please note that the changes below take into account last weekend's Round 5 games plus the 2 rescheduled games played on the weekend previous.

In summary:

Armagh were the big winners this weekend, gaining 3.12 rating points and jumping 3 places after a big win in Drogheda
Cavan also did well, gaining 3 rating points following their victory in Castlebar
Clare dropped 4 places after their loss to Fermanagh and lost 2.20 rating points
Cork drop to 12th after their draw with Meath, their lowest rank since February 2005
Donegal bump Tyrone out of the top 4 for the first time since August 2015

#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 108.71 | -0.71
2 | ▲ | Kerry | 100.05 | 0.71
3 | ▲ 2 | Donegal | 99.52 | 1.99
4 | ▼ 2 | Mayo | 98.54 | -3.00
5 | ▼ | Tyrone | 96.84 | -1.99
6 | ▲ | Tipperary | 90.20 | 0.11
7 | ▲ | Galway | 90.18 | 0.33
8 | ▲ | Monaghan | 90.05 | 0.70
9 | ▲ | Kildare | 88.60 | 0.86
10 | ▼ 4 | Clare | 88.28 | -2.20
11 | ▲ 2 | Cavan | 85.90 | 3.00
12 | ▼ | Cork | 85.50 | -0.70
13 | ▼ | Westmeath | 82.94 | 0.00
14 | = | Meath | 82.92 | 0.70
15 | ▲ | Fermanagh | 82.70 | 2.20
16 | ▼ | Roscommon | 81.32 | -0.70
17 | ▲3 | Armagh| 80.14 | 3.12
18 | ▼ | Derry | 79.71 | -0.33
19 | ▲ 2 | Longford | 77.83 | 1.18
20 | ▼ | Down | 77.48 | -0.86
21 | ▼3 | Louth| 76.68 | -3.12
22 | = | Sligo | 75.26 | -1.18
23 | ▲ | Wexford | 73.98 | 0.00
24 | ▲ | Offaly | 73.10 | -0.11
25 | ▼ 2 | Laois | 72.54 | -1.71
26 | = | Antrim | 70.89 | 1.71
27 | = | Limerick | 68.15 | 1.03
28 | = | Leitrim | 64.44 | -1.03
29 | = | Carlow | 64.38 | 1.39
30 | = | Waterford | 58.88 | -1.39
31 | = | Wicklow | 57.57 | 0.00
32 | = | New York | 57.16 | 0.00
33 | = | London | 56.01 | 0.00

Frankie Lee · 21-03-2017 8:21pm

When is the last time Laois were that low? Bit strange to see division 3 Tipperary in 6th ahead of all the division 2 teams.

Utopia Parkway · 21-03-2017 8:33pm

Frankie Lee wrote: »

When is the last time Laois were that low? Bit strange to see division 3 Tipperary in 6th ahead of all the division 2 teams.

And Monaghan from Division 1.

Fr Tod Umptious · 21-03-2017 8:47pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

And Monaghan from Division 1.

Monaghans early exit in 2016 and Tipps SF appearance would have a lot to do with it.

J Cheever Loophole · 21-03-2017 9:14pm

Hi Laoisman - loving the work as always and look forward to the updates!!

Can I query - we lost points after our victory over Louth whilst they gained points? Just seems a wee bit strange.

laoisman11 · 21-03-2017 10:39pm

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Hi Laoisman - loving the work as always and look forward to the updates!!

Can I query - we lost points after our victory over Louth whilst they gained points? Just seems a wee bit strange.

Good spot, and my fault.....scores given on Hoganstand are nearly always given as winner vs loser, and not home team against away team, and I sometimes fall into the trap! Table updated......

J Cheever Loophole · 21-03-2017 10:52pm

Thanks my friend. When you support Armagh, you be desperate for every positive going!!

laoisman11 · 28-03-2017 7:09pm

Order has been restored to the top 3 after last weekend's results, due to Mayo's win in Omagh and the stalemates in Cavan and Ballyshannon
The big winner though was Louth, who gain 3 rating points and jump 3 places after beating Tipperary in Thurles; Tipp drop 3 places as a result
The other notable winner was Offaly, achieving 2.02 rating points for their away win over Sligo
Derry are now at their lowest ranking since February 2013

#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 108.71 | 0.00
2 | ▲ 2 | Mayo | 100.17 | 1.63
3 | ▼ | Kerry | 98.94 | -1.11
4 | ▼ | Donegal | 98.27 | -1.25
5 | = | Tyrone | 95.21 | -1.63
6 | ▲ 2 | Monaghan | 91.30 | 1.25
7 | = | Galway | 90.97 | 0.79
8 | ▲ | Kildare | 89.77 | 1.17
9 | ▼ 3 | Tipperary | 87.20 | -3.00
10 | = | Clare | 87.11 | -1.17
11 | = | Cavan | 87.01 | 1.11
12 | = | Cork | 86.72 | 1.22
13 | ▲ | Meath | 84.69 | 1.77
14 | ▼ | Westmeath | 84.30 | 1.36
15 | ▲ | Roscommon | 81.32 | 0.00
16 | ▼ | Fermanagh | 80.93 | -1.77
17 | = | Armagh | 80.42 | 0.28
18 | ▲ 3 | Louth | 79.68 | 3.00
19 | ▼ | Derry | 78.49 | -1.22
20 | = | Down | 76.69 | -0.79
21 | ▼ 2 | Longford | 76.10 | -1.73
22 | ▲ 2 | Offaly | 75.12 | 2.02
23 | ▲ 2 | Laois | 74.27 | 1.73
24 | ▼ 2 | Sligo | 73.24 | -2.02
25 | ▼ 2 | Wexford | 72.62 | -1.36
26 | = | Antrim | 70.61 | -0.28
27 | = | Limerick | 69.46 | 1.31
28 | ▲ | Carlow | 66.06 | 1.68
29 | ▼ | Leitrim | 64.98 | 0.54
30 | = | Waterford | 57.57 | -1.31
31 | ▲ | New York | 57.16 | 0.00
32 | ▼ | Wicklow | 55.89 | -1.68
33 | = | London | 55.47 | -0.54

tanko · 28-03-2017 7:14pm

How many points would Cavan have gained if they had beaten Kerry?

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