Your favourite unsolved mystery?

Lady Spangles wrote: »

Here’s another unsolved case you for you, guys. The case of Dorothy Jane Scott, and this is particularly sinister too.

In 1980, Dorothy Jane Scott was in her early thirties, recently divorced and raising a young son. To support herself she worked at a Head Shop in Anaheim, California. However, despite the alternative “stoner” lifestyle of her workplace, she herself was said to be pretty straight-laced. Her friends stated she rarely socialised and devoted herself to raising her son and her work. But, while at work, she began to be harassed by a stalker.

Dorothy never saw the stalker and he never approached her in the street. But he would phone her at work and the nature of the calls swung between being of a sexual nature, to outright threatening to kill her. Over time, the calls escalated and he was soon phoning her on her home phone. He also called her parents. Often, he would accurately describe what she was wearing and where she had been, proving that he was following her much too closely for comfort. The man’s voice was disguised, but she told her friend she did faintly recognise it, she just couldn’t quite put her finger on who is was. As a result, she began taking karate lessons for self-defence and, briefly, considered buying a handgun (although she decided against that course of action).

Months after all this began, she was in work when a colleague fell ill. The man was in serious pain so, along with a female colleague, she offered to drive the man to hospital. While the man was being treated for a black widow bite, Dorothy and her colleague waited in the reception area. By the time the treatment was done, it was dark outside and the man was still weakened from spider venom. As such, Dorothy told them to wait in the reception while she drove her car round to the front of the building to collect them.

They ended up waiting for about ten minutes before the female colleague saw Dorothy’s car approaching at high speed with its bright headlights on. Alarmed at the wait and now the speed of the car, the woman ran outside and started waving her arms at Dorothy, but the car sped past and left them both standing there. Initially, they assumed something must have happened to Dorothy’s child and that was why she sped off without them, so they left it at that. But when they phoned Dorothy’s parents (who take care of the son while she’s at work) they found out Dorothy had not returned at all and that it was completely out of character for her to abandon people like that.

Police were called and a missing person case opened. Dorothy’s car was soon found burning in an alleyway. A week after she went missing, Dorothy’s mother began receiving threatening phone calls from a man claiming to have murdered her daughter. The calls were short and untraceable, from a man disguising his voice and always directed at the mother, or made at times when only the mother was at home. After four years, the father answered and the man hung up, never to be heard from again.

A couple of years after that last phone call, Dorothy’s remains were finally found in scrubland. Her murderer’s never been solved and police have no idea who made those phone calls.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Just got round to watching last year's docudrama Soaked In Bleach about Kurt Cobain's last days which Courtney Love attempted to stop getting made. Her cease and desist had no effect and she then threatened to sue cinemas which showed it, which seems to have had the desired effect given that very few did. Here's a little about it:

http://loudwire.com/courtney-love-soaked-in-bleach/

Anyway, amazes me that after all these years most of the main points on which those that feel he did not / could not have taken his own life base their contention, have still not being cleared up. I guess they never will.

What surprised me most was the phone calls that were recorded between Courtney and the PI which she hired to find out who had been using Kurt's credit card after he left a rehab facility. This was the week before his body was found and someone still tried to use the card on the day he was found (even though he had been dead for at least two days). In those recorded phone calls Courtney talks about planning to lie to Kurt (and the public) about her overdosing in a few days time as it would help sell her (Hole's) soon to be released new album.

There were also recorded calls with Kurt and Courtney's solicitor who was saying even at the time that she didn't believe Kurt was suicidal and that Courtney and her ex boyfriend (who was also one of their daughter's nannies and was staying at the house) were lying about what was happening. On one call the solicitor phoned the PI and said that the night before Kurt's body was found Courtney came to her home and left a back-pack there and as she never came back to get it, the solicitor decided to look inside it and what she found was most odd. She found a practice sheet where someone had clearly been practicing writing in a certain handwriting style over and over again and also a note which said "Get arrested!" and the next day Courtney was arrested. Which was the same day's Kurt's body was found and when she was released by the police she checked herself into the same rehab facility which Kurt had left six days previously.

If that wasn't crazy enough, in the midst of all that she phoned an electrical company from LA to fit security lighting in their Seattle home that day and they were the ones that found Kurt's body.

As for the whole gun theory and bullet placement stuff, I think that's all pointless to focus on as if they are still arguing about the JFK shooting (which was recorded) then the arguments about whether Kurt could manage to shoot himself and the casing fall where it did are going to be even more fruitless. In saying that though, I do think it is quite odd for someone to take the huge amount of heroin that he did and to then have the mind to put the safety caps back on the needles before then going on to kill himself. That just seems like such a strange thing to do. As does someone sticking a pen through a suicide note that they have just bothered to painstakingly write.. but again, it's hardly anything that anyone will ever be able to say with certainty could or could not have happened.

A personal observation (and not something which this docu touches on) is that years ago in a Channel 4 documentary (around 2005) Courtney was leading some twit around her home and she happens upon Kurt's old corduroy coat. She immediately says 'Kurt died in this coat' and 'This is what Kurt was wearing when he died' but he wasn't wearing a coat when he died, he was wearing a t-shirt and the coat was in a ball under a bench on the floor. I always thought 'Ah sure, slip of the tongue, it was ten years later after all' but I was reading an interview she gave to Rolling Stone back in 1994 and she said a similar thing then: "Kurt blew his head off in this coat" (she was wearing the coat during the interview). Very bloody odd thing to say unless it were true.

I don't know what I think tbh. I once thought the conspiracy theories around his death were nuts but the more I read, the more I begin to wonder was he murdered by mistake or something, or did someone find his body earlier than they let on and they waited until they could forge the suicide note before arranging for the body to be found. It's a mad case if ever there was one. Some really odd details.

Most of Kurt's close friends seem to say he wasn't suicidal at all and indeed his best friend who bought him the shot gun the week before said there was no way he would have bought him a gun if he felt he was in any way suicidal. He said Kurt just went and bought bullets that week as someone had slashed the tyres on his car in his garage and he wanted it for security as a result. His mate also said he was very positive in himself and earlier that week Kurt had also wrote a letter to his fans on AOL talking about a new album coming out soon. The doctor in Rome also said he seen a lot of people wake up from failed suicide attempts and that Kurt did not seem like one of them at all and that he had even asked for was a milkshake as soon as he woke up. He wrote a note to Courtney a short while after waking also and all it said was "Fcuk you". When he got back to LA a few days later he contacted his solicitor and asked her to arrange for Courtney's name to be taken off his will but he never signed anything as he hadn't seen the solicitor in person yet.

No matter what the truth is, one thing is for sure: she did not love him (not that I think that woman can love anyone). The way she treated him was quite shocking. She controlled him left and right. Cancelled his credit cards. Phoned him in rehab and put pressure on him to do gigs he didn't want to do. She even lied to him that he had hurt the baby when he dropped her. She later says she regretted saying that to him. All the while she was banging Evan Dando and Billy Corgan. It's wildly believed also that she told Kurt about these affairs in Rome although she said she just told him that she was thinking about having an affair and that was all. Either way, what ever happened in Rome, he was finished with her by the time he flew back to the states and she knew it. When he left the rehab in LA (which she also thrust upon him) Courtney was staying just ten minutes away in a hotel and instead of going to her, he went to the airport and flew home to Seattle. She never seen him again. Amazes me that had he lived Courtney would undoubtedly have been divorced and not received a cent... but yet as it stands she is the main beneficiary to all of Nirvana's vast fortune / future earnings and royalties. Which most people would know I guess considering the spats she has had with Novoselic and Grohl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcu3qb6J_5c

Mouseslayer17 wrote: »

What happened to Madeline McCann.
Its the classic locked room mystery

topmanamillion wrote: »

I thought it was unlikely cadaver dogs just smell death. A quick google of Cardaver dogs gave me this "Specifically, the dogs are trained to smell decomposition, which means they can locate body parts, tissue, blood and bone"

Its not a stretch to suggest the cadaver dogs would find traces of Maddie in the car. Anyone thats even had a kid in their car knows they cough, sneeze, pick at scabs and are the full time falling over and getting cuts and scraps. Blood, mucus and all other bodily secretions would be to be expected.

Mouseslayer17 wrote: »

Yeah,something went down in the room but we will never know