Kerry GAA Discussion Thread Mod Warning Post #4167

DDC1990 · 28-08-2016 5:49pm

Im going to refrain talking about Gough as I don't want people to think i'm a sore loser. Plenty people wiser than me have giving their opinion of his performance.

We threw that away ourselves. A mixture of bad luck, poor shot choice and running out of energy cost us in the end. Our defensive disciple was poor. 12 points or so from Rock.
Dropping balls short into the keepers hands and kicking poor wides when we had momentum killed us.

I understand why we brought Marc on but it was 5 minutes too late. If we have an extra defender at 3 points up, I think we win that game.

Now for the positives. Morley had an immense game. Murphy must have covered every blade of grass today. Geaney was fantastic. Enright shackled Brogan well. Griffin had a great game. Mahoney put an absolutely huge shift in. Darren was lively and nipped in for the goal. The drop off when O'Brien came on was drastic. Donaghy was a huge loss when he went off. Moran mixed the great with the shocking.

I still feel sick to my stomach because we really had a chance and we let it slip. The contrast to the feeling at half time is unbelievable. The hope makes everything feel 100 times worse. The lack of a game to look forward to, the emptiness is pretty grim.

Congrats to the minors. Clifford just lit Croke Park up. Will be hard to get tickets for the final but the hunt starts now.

brocbrocach · 28-08-2016 5:51pm

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Others went out with a whimper

Who?
All the old heads played very well.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-08-2016 6:02pm

Gough wasn't great on the few decisions mentioned but we lost because of-

Stephen O'Brien running down a blind alley twice and turning over the ball.
James O'Donoghue turning the ball over off his own solo.
Gooch missing a tap over point early in the first half and dropping a handy one short in the second half.
Sheehan putting a garryowen into the air in the second half when patience was required.

Whereas the Dubs had composure at the death from McManamon, Connolly and O'Gara.

Other than those errors at least Kerry went out fighting and errors are part of the game but we made more than the Dubs late in the game when it really mattered.

28-08-2016 6:46pm

Kerry might need to get a bit more cynical.

Had a claim for a 45 turned down, one or two players shook their heads.

Dublin went up the other end, had a dubious claim for a 45, player gives an earful to the umpire, the ref gives a 45.

Possibly a 2 point swing.

zetecescort · 28-08-2016 9:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Kerry might need to get a bit more cynical.

Had a claim for a 45 turned down, one or two players shook their heads.

Dublin went up the other end, had a dubious claim for a 45, player gives an earful to the umpire, the ref gives a 45.

Possibly a 2 point swing.

just lit up my night in fairness. priceless

DDC1990 · 28-08-2016 9:14pm

Anyone watching on TV know if they showed the Dublin black card?

I hope they highlight it and shame Cormac Costello for it to be honest.

It really was worse then Canavan's one on Gooch a few years back.

If guys were really called out on TV and lambasted for their actions they might think twice about it. I don't know how Begley didn't retaliate.

As for the programme and bottle throwing. It happened down in front of me in 306. Most of the stuff was thrown long before Gough came near the line. I don't know what it was like when he got all the way over because I had my head in my hands.

Regardless it's totally unacceptable and paints Kerry fans in a terrible light. Bare in mind that this section is full of season ticket holders, people who go to all these matches all year round and should have an idea how to behave at a match.

I understand people were venting but No amount of roaring or abuse or anything was going to change the result. I am much more annoyed at our missed chances on the field.

The Talking Bread · 28-08-2016 9:57pm

Neutral here but I thought I'd leave this here.
Very likely his swansong and last time on Croke Park pitch.
Hope ye boyos appreciated him and can excuse a few times he frustrated you. Fantastic servant to the jersey and his and Coopers partnership brought the Kerry forward line to a dimension that had never been seen before, arguably.

How do you like that Joe Brolly!

28-08-2016 9:58pm

zetecescort wrote: »

just lit up my night in fairness. priceless

We are talking about fine margins between the best sides in the country.

Nothing that should interest a Cork football supporter.

Fr Tod Umptious · 28-08-2016 10:00pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Anyone watching on TV know if they showed the Dublin black card?

I hope they highlight it and shame Cormac Costello for it to be honest.

It really was worse then Canavan's one on Gooch a few years back.

If guys were really called out on TV and lambasted for their actions they might think twice about it. I don't know how Begley didn't retaliate.

As for the programme and bottle throwing. It happened down in front of me in 306. Most of the stuff was thrown long before Gough came near the line. I don't know what it was like when he got all the way over because I had my head in my hands.

Regardless it's totally unacceptable and paints Kerry fans in a terrible light. Bare in mind that this section is full of season ticket holders, people who go to all these matches all year round and should have an idea how to behave at a match.

I understand people were venting but No amount of roaring or abuse or anything was going to change the result. I am much more annoyed at our missed chances on the field.

Odd alright that or was coming from the season ticket section.

Mrs Tod Umptious, a season ticket holder, is on her way home, will be interesting to see if she has her programme with her !

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 10:20pm

2006 had some great games in the championship but today is probably up there as one of the best i have seen in a while , i really feel for kerry they gave it everything and were brilliant, it would be a shame with such a good crop of young players to get rid of fitzmorris though , today o'brien ,geaney and paul murphy were excellent there is some real class coming through from the last few minor teams . surly kerry would be foolish to change manager in the middle of a transition period

DDC1990 · 28-08-2016 10:32pm

Black card not even mentioned.

The over the top praise for Gough for 'letting the game flow' took up too much time.

A referee's job is to apply the rules of the game, not to make it entertaining.

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 10:47pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Black card not even mentioned.

The over the top praise for Gough for 'letting the game flow' took up too much time.

A referee's job is to apply the rules of the game, not to make it entertaining.

to be fair the rules are so contradictory that if the ref applied the letter of the law all the time there would have been several black cards yellows ect... from a neutral point of view there was no wining and losing decision made by the ref and was right to let the game flow , enright or connelly could easily have picked up black cards , personally i wanted kerry to win today but i could not fault the ref for the loss

Dyr · 28-08-2016 10:57pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Black card not even mentioned.

The over the top praise for Gough for 'letting the game flow' took up too much time.

A referee's job is to apply the rules of the game, not to make it entertaining.

So you're obviously annoyed that O'Mahoney didn't get the line.

d22ontour · 28-08-2016 11:02pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

We threw that away ourselves. A mixture of bad luck, poor shot choice and running out of energy cost us in the end. Our defensive disciple was poor.

Complete bollox, you were out on your feet after 25 minutes hanging on by the skin of your teeth until Cluxton gifted you two goals with only 4 points on the board at that stage. You then scored 6 points in the second half. Those Cluxton brainfarts painted a somewhat rosier picture than what was actually unfolding. Performing for ten minutes when gifted 6 points and then crying about the ref when you couldn't step up in the second half is pathetic.

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 11:06pm

d22ontour wrote: »

Complete bollox, you were out on your feet after 25 minutes hanging on by the skin of your teeth until Cluxton gifted you two goals with only 4 points on the board at that stage. You then scored 6 points in the second half. Those Cluxton brainfarts painted a somewhat rosier picture than what was actually unfolding. Performing for ten minutes when gifted 6 points and then crying about the ref when you couldn't step up in the second half is pathetic.

i take it this is the meaghers bar Bords.ie account then .....:)

Ted111 · 28-08-2016 11:09pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i take it this is the meaghers bar Bords.ie account then .....:)

Nobody from Meaghers was spitting at the ref today.

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 11:15pm

Ted111 wrote: »

Nobody from Meaghers was spitting at the ref today.

it was a joke , plus i am not from kerry , and more to the point it was fairly bad analysis of an absolute classic football match,

by the way who spat on who?

BonnieSituation · 28-08-2016 11:17pm

Ted111 wrote: »

Nobody from Meaghers was spitting at the ref today.

Or throwing bottles and programmes.

I can't wait for the post-mortem on that.
The keepers of the flame would surely be up in arms if the perfidious Metropolitan's would bring their game into disrepute.

I'm sure there will be as much talk about that as their was about Donaghy in the QF.

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Today was a classic. Killed my heart. But pleasure to be there.

Way better than 2013.

Still think 2006 shades it as a match. Just.

Dyr · 28-08-2016 11:20pm

I expect cluxton to be exposed in some grobellar type scandal..exclusive footage of him in a three star hotel room in tralee with Michael Healy Rae, Kerrygold executives and some also ran Roses.

Stoner · 28-08-2016 11:25pm

DDC1990 wrote:

Black card not even mentioned.

In a fairness DDC1990 I know it's raw, but look at the 64 the minute Enright was lucky not to receive a black card after dragging brogan down when it was one in one, look at it again. Not mentioned. The live game commentators picked it up.

Also I saw Costello rolling around alright around 73 minute, would I highlight him to embarrass him alone ?
74th minute JOD pulled Kilkenny to the ground when Dublin were working the ball out, .

No black card for JOD, Costello got a black card though. No cynical play was mentioned on the Sunday game

I saw some handy frees on both sides. Just saw the highlights and watched the recording of the game

The tackle 53rd minute by O'Mahony was at least as bad on McMahon as McManamons on Crowley. kerry gave and took big tackles today. The lads made that point.

Crowley made numerous fouls today and only got a yellow, 54 minutes Crowley fouls O'Sullivan, 57 minutes Crowley ripped Connellys Jersey off the bsll dragging out of him. He gave away about three frees in the first half dragging out if Connelly for two of them.

The only difference between O'Mahonys tackle and McManamons was that Philly McMahon got up straight away, Crowley stayed down tried to get the game stopped because Dublin kicked on, just like kerry kicked on when McMahon was floored by O'Mahony.

IMO his "tackle" on John Small in the league final was far worse than either O'Mahonys or McManamons today. If you can't take it don't give it.

C Cooper's point from play, the ball was thrown to him, not picked up, I'm fairly sure of that you can't see it on the replay, but it looked that way to us.

Gooch floored Connelly off the ball, nothing done about it. 39 minutes picked up by commentators, apparently it was funny.

Did Connelly high tackle a man? Yes he did, so did Maher at 19 minute. 43rd minute O'Mahony dragged Small down . 48th minute star grabbed Kilkenny by the hips and spun himself around 270 degrees to stop him from attacking, Kilkenny stayed up Star got a yellow, no black cards none of them were highlighted to make a point or embarrass a player or whatever it was that Costello deserved

Look at 19 minutes McCarthy had injured his shoulder Walsh, off the ball rushed his shoulder twice. They showed one at 19 minutes I was right beside that one, not mentioned, if you recorded the game look at the 19th minute, he was trying to shoulder McCarthys injured shoulder off the ball.

I understand that things went the other way too, but kerry were far from robbed or angels, Dublin took it to kerry in the second half and Kerry did everything they could to prevent goals, but they coughed up points.
Apart from Jonny Cooper on O'Sullivan in the goalmouth and C Cooper punching Connelly off the ball I've an equivalent Kerry transgression for any of the Dublin ones I've heard today.
We've one suspect goal given to Kerry is it true the official is a kerry man or is that joke ?

That's why imo the guys after the main match commentary and the lads after the highlights both sets said that the ref was even handed.
He let things go on both sides.

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 11:28pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Or throwing bottles and programmes.

I can't wait for the post-mortem on that.
The keepers of the flame would surely be up in arms if the perfidious Metropolitan's would bring their game into disrepute.

I'm sure there will be as much talk about that as their was about Donaghy in the QF.

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Today was a classic. Killed my heart. But pleasure to be there.

Way better than 2013.

Still think 2006 shades it as a match. Just.

from a neutral it probably was one of the best i have ever seen . the reall pity about the championship this year give mayo there credit there is no one close to both teams or could withstand that level of pace, skill and accuracy for that level of time

as far as the digs go , it happens people let the occasion get the better of themselves , the ref did nothing wrong to hamper the result today , and if fitzmorris steps down after this kerry will be at a loss in my opinion

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 11:31pm

Bambi wrote: »

I expect cluxton to be exposed in some grobellar type scandal..exclusive footage of him in a three star hotel room in tralee with Michael Healy Rae, Kerrygold executives and some also ran Roses.

the news of the world is gone bust sadly ........maybe paul williams can write a book about it .... or a free CD in the womens magazine part of next weeks sunday world

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 11:33pm

Stoner wrote: »

In a fairness DDC1990 I know it's raw, but look at the 64 the minute Enright was lucky not to receive a black card after dragging brogan down when it was one in one, look at it again. Not mentioned. The live game commentators picked it up.

Also I saw Costello rolling around alright around 73 minute, would I highlight him to embarrass him alone ?
74th minute JOD pulled Kilkenny to the ground when Dublin were working the ball out, .

No black card for JOD, Costello got a black card though. No cynical play was mentioned on the Sunday game

I saw some handy frees on both sides. Just saw the highlights and watched the recording of the game

The tackle 53rd minute by O'Mahony was at least as bad on McMahon as McManamons on Crowley. kerry gave and took big tackles today. The lads made that point.

Crowley made numerous fouls today and only got a yellow, 54 minutes Crowley fouls O'Sullivan, 57 minutes Crowley ripped Connellys Jersey off the bsll dragging out of him. He gave away about three frees in the first half dragging out if Connelly for two of them.

The only difference between O'Mahonys tackle and McManamons was that Philly McMahon got up straight away, Crowley stayed down tried to get the game stopped because Dublin kicked on, just like kerry kicked on when McMahon was floored by O'Mahony.

IMO his "tackle" on John Small in the league final was far worse than either O'Mahonys or McManamons today. If you can't take it don't give it.

C Cooper's point from play, the ball was thrown to him, not picked up, I'm fairly sure of that you can't see it on the replay, but it looked that way to us.

Gooch floored Connelly off the ball, nothing done about it. 39 minutes picked up by commentators, apparently it was funny.

Did Connelly high tackle a man? Yes he did, so did Maher at 19 minute. 43rd minute O'Mahony dragged Small down . 48th minute star grabbed Kilkenny by the hips and spun himself around 270 degrees to stop him from attacking, Kilkenny stayed up Star got a yellow, no black cards none of them were highlighted to make a point or embarrass a player or whatever it was that Costello deserved

Look at 19 minutes McCarthy had injured his shoulder Walsh, off the ball rushed his shoulder twice. They showed one at 19 minutes I was right beside that one, not mentioned, if you recorded the game look at the 19th minute, he was trying to shoulder McCarthys injured shoulder off the ball.

I understand that things went the other way too, but kerry were far from robbed or angels, Dublin took it to kerry in the second half and Kerry did everything they could to prevent goals, but they coughed up points.
Apart from Jonny Cooper on O'Sullivan in the goalmouth and C Cooper punching Connelly off the ball I've an equivalent Kerry transgression for any of the Dublin ones I've heard today.
We've one suspect goal given to Kerry is it true the official is a kerry man or is that joke ?

That's why imo the guys after the main match commentary and the lads after the highlights both sets said that the ref was even handed.
He let things go on both sides.

the game would have been a farce if all these "letter of the law" decisions were called

Officer999 · 28-08-2016 11:43pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

from a neutral it probably was one of the best i have ever seen . the reall pity about the championship this year give mayo there credit there is no one close to both teams or could withstand that level of pace, skill and accuracy for that level of time

as far as the digs go , it happens people let the occasion get the better of themselves , the ref did nothing wrong to hamper the result today , and if fitzmorris steps down after this kerry will be at a loss in my opinion

How many more chances does Fitzmaurice need to beat Dublin? In this year alone I've seen Dublin beat Kerry 3 times in Croke Park. 3 times.....
We have the players but a new fresh voice is needed to beat this Dublin puzzle

Stoner · 28-08-2016 11:45pm

windy shepard henderson wrote:

the game would have been a farce if all these "letter of the law" decisions were called

It was a fear I had going into the game, that it was a risk for either kerry or Dublin, whomever won, that they carry a red or two into the final. Mayo had a handy semi. I'd hoped, regardless of the winner that the winning team would have a full squad for the final. Last thing we need is a load if appeals and one or two lads who got pulled up for doing something that loads of others got away with missing a final.

Conor52 · 28-08-2016 11:49pm

Pretty embarrassing stuff from my fellow county men on here and in the stands after the match today. Dublin deserved their win because that's exactly what they did when the game was in the melting pot. Great composure to get the the final two scores today. Kerry lacked that composure when in good positions in the 2nd half. (A few bad wides, cooper shot dropped short, jod bad solo when in a good position etc.). In my view that was the difference between the two teams.

I can't fault the effort from our lads today, the left it all on the pitch. It was a dubious call to take Geaney off I thought but other than that I can't fault management too much. In fact I think we are punching above our weight a bit give the squad we have. Darren having to go off when he did was a blow.

I would expect that today was last day we'll see an o'se line out for Kerry. What an amazing contribution they have made to kerry football over the years.

One point I'd have to argue is the the idea the Kerry's goals are somehow less valid because the came from bad mistakes and that dublin would have won easily only for them. Players make mistakes all the time that led to scores, I could point to several kerry mistakes today that led directly and indirectly to dublin scores. Are we to discount them too?

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 11:54pm

Officer999 wrote: »

How many more chances does Fitzmaurice need to beat Dublin? In this year alone I've seen Dublin beat Kerry 3 times in Croke Park. 3 times.....
We have the players but a new fresh voice is needed to beat this Dublin puzzle

with a team who's most players legs have gone with years , barry john keane done nothing wrong all year but he needed an impact sub i suppose other then that i cant fault him , maybe he should have played sheehan against clare to get him up to match pace ,it wouldnt make him a better footballer ( whats he supposed to do with him in open play) , and david moran has come on leaps and bounds under his tenure

there is some descent young lads coming through at least he is giving them a chance and after an excellent decade and a half the last of a great era is retiring , give him a chance to work with the younger players , other then jack o'connor or pat o'shea is there really anyone in kerry at the moment to bring this team to another level while in transition

windy shepard henderson · 28-08-2016 11:56pm

Conor52 wrote: »

Pretty embarrassing stuff from my fellow county men on here and in the stands after the match today. Dublin deserved their win because that's exactly what they did when the game was in the melting pot. Great composure to get the the final two scores today. Kerry lacked that composure when in good positions in the 2nd half. (A few bad wides, cooper shot dropped short, jod bad solo when in a good position etc.). In my view that was the difference between the two teams.

I can't fault the effort from our lads today, the left it all on the pitch. It was a dubious call to take Geaney off I thought but other than that I can't fault management too much. In fact I think we are punching above our weight a bit give the squad we have. Darren having to go off when he did was a blow.

I would expect that today was last day we'll see an o'se line out for Kerry. What an amazing contribution they have made to kerry football over the years.

One point I'd have to argue is the the idea the Kerry's goals are somehow less valid because the came from bad mistakes and that dublin would have won easily only for them. Players make mistakes all the time that led to scores, I could point to several kerry mistakes today that led directly and indirectly to dublin scores. Are we to discount them too?

bar some of the great scores today most scores in general come from mistakes

Stoner · 29-08-2016 12:02am

Conor52 wrote:

One point I'd have to argue is the the idea the Kerry's goals are somehow less valid because the came from bad mistakes and that dublin would have won easily only for them. Players make mistakes all the time that led to scores, I could point to several kerry mistakes today that led directly and indirectly to dublin scores. Are we to discount them too?

Brolly made that point, he has a hang up about Kerry and goals though , he did the same to reduce the validity of the 2014 win over Donegal.

Whelan and Spillane both said kerry pushed up as a tactic. Brolly closed his eyes to deny it. Sunday game lads said it was a tactic.

He's just trying to prove himself right again.

acequion · 29-08-2016 1:45am

DDC1990 wrote: »

I still feel sick to my stomach because we really had a chance and we let it slip. The contrast to the feeling at half time is unbelievable. The hope makes everything feel 100 times worse. The lack of a game to look forward to, the emptiness is pretty grim.

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That totally sums up how I feel.An excellent and gracious post as always, let's pay no heed to those who mince words and lack the grace to respect our pain.

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