plodder wrote: » sondagefaux wrote: » I don't really see the point in this type of argument. Once upon a time water usage wasn't metered in England or paid for out of user charges. Almost any service could become chargeable in the future whether it's now state owned or not. If they intend to keep the app free then they could say that..
sondagefaux wrote: » I don't really see the point in this type of argument. Once upon a time water usage wasn't metered in England or paid for out of user charges. Almost any service could become chargeable in the future whether it's now state owned or not.
ukoda wrote: » You're completely off topic trying to start an arguement, what private company makes money off a park?? Yes the state invested and that's why it should get a return. How long am I prepared to wait? What level of control do you think I have over that? You're just trolling now.
ukoda wrote: » google maps implementation is key to the widespread consumer adoption of eircode. If google maps does take 5 years to implement it, then I would be very annoyed at Google, but my opinion of eircode won't change. How quickly do Google have to implement it for you to declare eircode a success? No matter what happens you will prob move your arguement along to the next thing to complain about, you're negative towards eircode and nothing will change your mind. Do you want it to fail so you can declare yourself right? On the app, multiple people have asked them if it's to be a paid for app and they have said no. Also, your words include "forever". what I said was "they have said they dont intend to charge for it" intentions could change. And I'm not here to provide you with "proof", if you want to know for yourself, ask them.
ukoda wrote: » google maps implementation is key to the widespread consumer adoption of eircode. If google maps does take 5 years to implement it, then I would be very annoyed at Google, but my opinion of eircode won't change. How quickly do Google have to implement it for you to declare eircode a success? No matter what happens you will prob move your arguement along to the next thing to complain about, you're negative towards eircode and nothing will change your mind. Do you want it to fail so you can declare yourself right?
On the app, multiple people have asked them if it's to be a paid for app and they have said no. Also, your words include "forever". what I said was "they have said they dont intend to charge for it" intentions could change. And I'm not here to provide you with "proof", if you want to know for yourself, ask them.
Clewbays wrote: Anyone know when the survey was conducted – the reports on the CBRE and Analytiqa websites do not give any details apart from stating that the survey only covered the logistics and shipping industries. How many of the 53 respondents are FTAI members?
plodder wrote: » http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/96-of-logistics-and-shipping-firms-do-not-use-eircode-402180.html Ouch!
plodder wrote: » I think you agree that google maps support is central to the success of Eircode. So, how long are you prepared to wait for this support before you decide the project is a failure? 2 years? 5 years. By the way, do you have a link to Autoaddress saying the app would be free forever?
ukoda wrote: » You're completely off topic trying to start an arguement, what private company makes money off a park?? Yes the state invested and that's why it should get a return. How long am I prepared to wait? What level of control do you think I have over that?
You're just trolling now.
plodder wrote: » So, the state shouldn't build anything that the private sector could make profits out of unless users are paying directly for use. By that token, there would be no parks or children's playgrounds, or non fee-paying schools. Strange. You know of course, the state has invested almost 40 million on it as it is. We're getting the worst of all worlds here. And it's 18 weeks now since Alex White said google maps support was imminent. Whatever about google's own priorities, there hasn't been a peep from Eircode that any agreement was reached with them. How long are you prepared to wait?
plodder wrote: » To come back to this. If you're in favour of this enhancement then why were you arguing against it being free of charge? Why would it matter to you if it is free, and it keeps the transport sector (and others) happy? I think it beggars belief that people think the present situation where Eircodes are not deployed on google maps, not on any satnav, and not by 95% of the transport sector, is somehow acceptable.
ukoda wrote: » I'm all for it! What in opposed to is them trying to make out its some sort of replacement for eircode, when in fact it was there all along and they just didn't know they could use it in the way Autoaddress have shown them
While the survey had only 50 respondents, they are 50 of the biggest businesses in the supply chain sector. Neil McDonnell, general manager of the FTAI, said: “The structure of Eircode as a random, database tool means that, despite the proliferation of systems and software in the market, even large operators and their customers have no use for it. “Its use is confined to government services and database users such as banks and insurance companies, which to be fair, can exploit its power as a database.” Mr McDonnell added that recent moves by one of the Eircode consortium to offer a newly-labelled small area code system to operators was indicative of how the industry has responded. “The rollout of small area codes by one of the Department of Communication’s largest contractors, Autoaddress, confirms Eircode’s failings as a postcode for business,” he said. “It is doubly frustrating that this company was to the fore in rubbishing structured postcodes, yet is now asking for our help in marketing one to industry. It is an explicit admission of failure by one of the State’s principal contractors. [Communications Minister Denis] Naughten was sympathetic to our views on Eircode in opposition, it will be interesting to see his views as minister. Eircode is going nowhere,” Mr McDonnell said.
ukoda wrote: » This is the part I don't get, it's free and they have said they intend to keep it free and they also want to promote delivery drivers using it
plodder wrote: » If they intend to keep the app free then they could say that..
plodder wrote: » scas100 wrote: » sorry,, all i do is work for those companies and sometimes beta test their software, my deepest apologies, im wrong but more importantly ,you're right. The app is definitely usable by couriers right now. However, there is a big question mark whether it will remain free to use. The T&Cs state that they can change without notice at any time. So, they could start charging for it in future.
scas100 wrote: » sorry,, all i do is work for those companies and sometimes beta test their software, my deepest apologies, im wrong but more importantly ,you're right.
ukoda wrote: » The app is new so awareness would be limited The same company who made the app have publicly stated they are working with Fastway to implement eircode? Maeve Dwyer of DPD made a statement to the Irish Times that they were working out a plan to implement eircode?
scas100 wrote: » figured out how to quote not one driver i know has heard of it, sounds helpful the courier companies may have made statements along those lines, nightline may be sticking some software on their tablets in the future but dpd and fastway certainly are doing nothing about it the whole thing sounds like its probably more useful to freight companies anyway.
ukoda wrote: » Have the drivers heard about the Autoaddress App that has no 15 per day limit? I'm not sure I follow your post really, Nightline, Fastway and DPD have all made public statements that they are upgrading their systems to include eircode
