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Breaking - explosions at Brussels Airport Mod warning in post 1

whiskeyman

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Mod

Mods have put so much time into these threads already so I'm going to give a once off warning now.

There will be zero tolerance for any racism, xenophobic comments, etc.

I understand this is an emotive subject and the loss of innocent life is devastating but if you come in here spouting shîte, prepare to be banned.

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Mod

Folks, we've locked enough immigration threads and there are plenty in politics café if that's what you wish to discuss.

This thread is regarding the attacks in Brussels not immigration and though they may be linked I'm asking that and immigration discussion takes place in politics café, thanks. If it continues we'll need to hand out thread bans as locking this thread isn't really an option right now. Please take the above on board

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I wonder if it's terrorism related?
Surely it'd be packed with business travellers at this time.
Just saw the Indo reports the explosions near the American Airlines checkin at Departures.
The pictures don't look good.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/brussels-airport-explosions-heard
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254

Two explosions have been reported at Zaventem airport in Brussels.
Images on social media from the scene showed smoke rising from one of the terminal buildings. The cause of the explosions is unknown.
Some reports from the scene speak of casualties but this has not been confirmed.
The blasts come four days after the capture in Brussels of Salah Abdeslam, the main suspect in the Paris attacks in November.

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screamer

old_aussie wrote: »

Looks like the EU has come a cropper.

UKIP’s defence spokesman Mike Hookem has blamed the terrorist attacks in Brussels on the EU’s Schengen free movement agreement. In a statement written from his office in the European Parliament in responce to the bombings at Zaventum airport, Hookem says that the Schengen Area is a threat to our security.

Here’s the statement,

“This horrific act of terrorism shows that the Schengen free movement and lax border controls are a threat to our security. The head of Eurpol said in February that 5000 jihadists are at large in the EU having slipped in from Syria. There are 94 returned jihadists currently living in Molenbeek, Brussels. This fact alone should alert people to the fact that open borders are putting the lives of European citizens at risk.”

The Schengen Area is a passportless zone that allows free movement between EU countries. It is part of EU law and all new EU member are obliged to join it.

Well we ain't in schengen neither is the uk

dav3

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

That makes no sense. Can you show me posts like this please?

Here's an example of a deleted post.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99141209&postcount=54

Just be thankful that the mods are on the ball in this thread.

Nodin

old_aussie wrote: »

Looks like the EU has come a cropper.

UKIP’s defence spokesman Mike Hookem has blamed the terrorist attacks in Brussels on the EU’s Schengen free movement agreement. In a statement written from his office in the European Parliament in responce to the bombings at Zaventum airport, Hookem says that the Schengen Area is a threat to our security.

Here’s the statement,

“This horrific act of terrorism shows that the Schengen free movement and lax border controls are a threat to our security. The head of Eurpol said in February that 5000 jihadists are at large in the EU having slipped in from Syria. There are 94 returned jihadists currently living in Molenbeek, Brussels. This fact alone should alert people to the fact that open borders are putting the lives of European citizens at risk.”

The Schengen Area is a passportless zone that allows free movement between EU countries. It is part of EU law and all new EU member are obliged to join it.

You may be British and consider UKIP some form of authority but you'll find most of us aren't and don't.

Eugene Norman

DrumSteve wrote: »

Buddhism?

Catholicism. Many religions. His argument is nonsense.

wes

DrumSteve wrote: »

Buddhism?

Multiple Buddhistb sects, some of whom are violent. The Dalia Lama leads the Tibetan Buddhists, whom I assume your familiar with, but he is a leader of just one sect.

conorhal

Nodin wrote: »

Because they ignore counter argument and just keep repeating the same nonsense endlessly.

*OUCH*OW*OW*OW*

/Sorry, my irony detector just exploded.

Eugene Norman

Nodin wrote: »

You may be British and consider UKIP some form of authority but you'll find most of us aren't and don't.

The opposition to the EU is higher than the UKIP vote. About 47% last poll I read.

Internet Ham

People are right to harbor some ill will toward Muslims. If it was Mormons or Sikhs blowing up airports or shooting up gigs I am sure we would be equally as reticent to allow them asylum. But it isn't Sikhs or Mormons. It's Muslims. They are becoming a problem. Logic folks.

walshyn93

wes wrote: »

A single sect can have a leader, but any major religions has multiple sects, and multiple leaders. Can you name a major world Religion that has one leader and no other sects?

Islam has one leader. Muhammad. And as I've explained previously, the sectarian differences between Muslims are inconsequential in terms of European interests. It's the similarities that are dangerous to us.

And many Muslims don't strongly identify with one sect or another. They identify as Muslim first and often gravitate towards different sects throughout their life.

sunshine and showers

Lads, it's not difficult - these attacks were carried out by an extremist Muslim terrorist organisation, most likely IS.

So say that. Call IS and their followers all the names under the sun. Curse them all you like. Declare war on them. Great.

But it is harmful, whether you like it or not, to say simply that Muslims did it. That's the best way to compound bigotry against the average Muslim and potentially drive people into the arms of groups like IS.

That's exactly what happened with the IRA attacks being blamed on the Irish and Catholics. Treating everyone from a particular community like a potential criminal is wrong and dangerous.

Hating on IS and extremist Muslims is fine. I'll agree with you all damn day. Hating on Muslims in general (and disrespecting their faith with terms like "paedophile") is not. It's bigotry. Plain and simple.

And yes, I do know that Islam has violent stuff in the Koran. So does the Bible. Get over yourself. People interpret stuff to suit themselves because they're assholes, not because they're a particular religion.

You don't think every Irish Catholic supported and condoned the IRA. You can't blame all Jews for the treatment of Palestinians when that's the work of Zionists and extremism. The current Islamic extremism problem is bigger than both those problems, but the same principle applies.

This is not PC gone mad. It's reality. Semantics matter.

Irish Stones

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He

Was

Born

There!

So what? Being born in a country isn't synonyme of being one of them.
My parents came from south Italy to the rich north Italy. Does this make me a northern?

Timberrrrrrrr

walshyn93 wrote: »

No one is talking about getting rid of Muslims.

But talking about preventing more from coming is not bigoted. It's just common sense.

Actually a couple of posters said exactly that.

Superhorse

We'll be back here talking about another attack in a few days/weeks/months time and still the elephant in the room will be ignored and anyone pointing out the elephant will be banned from Boards.ie

I'm out this is pointless.

DrumSteve

wes wrote: »

Multiple Buddhistb sects, some of whom are violent. The Dalia Lama leads the Tibetan Buddhists, whom I assume your familiar with, but he is a leader of just one sect.

Yeah I'd heard of the violence, assumed the DL was the main guy though.

The more you know, I guess.

Eugene Norman

wes wrote: »

Multiple Buddhistb sects, some of whom are violent. The Dalia Lama leads the Tibetan Buddhists, whom I assume your familiar with, but he is a leader of just one sect.

You said religions didn't have single leaders. you now mention one. You live in a nominally Catholic country. Google "the Pope".

Polo_Mint

walshyn93 wrote: »

Not due to their religion. Due to the likelihood of them blowing people up.

You think Muslims are likely to blow stuff up?

Do you think the Western Countries should be barred from Muslim Countries due to Blowing stuff up?

thattequilagirl

screamer wrote: »

Well we ain't in schengen neither is the uk

Since the attackers were likely European citizens, this argument doesn't hold water.

SEPT 23 1989

I have a feeling large heavily armed balaclava wearing gentlemen will be arriving in Molenbeek for a community shakedown in the next few hours

wes

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Catholicism. Many religions. His argument is nonsense.

So you are saying there aren't multiple Christian sects? Catholicism is one Christian sect........

Sorry, the only one talking nonsense is you, as apparently Protestantism doesn't exist all of a sudden.....

inforfun

http://www.geenstijl.nl/

That is a website is used to go for entertainment.... Just scroll down.

**** is on in The Netherlands too with train stations and office buildings being evecuated after bomb threats.

Nodin

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The opposition to the EU is higher than the UKIP vote. About 47% last poll I read.

Irrelevant to what he was saying or the thread at hand.

internet ham wrote:

People are right to harbor some ill will toward Muslims

Makes as much sense as blaming catholics for larry murphy.

screamer

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Since the attackers were likely European citizens, this argument doesn't hold water.

It wasn't intended as an argument it's a fact.

wes

Eugene Norman wrote: »

You said religions didn't have single leaders. you now mention one. You live in a nominally Catholic country. Google "the Pope".

Catholicism is one Christian sect, and it has a leader. The Pope is not the leader of all Christians, but the leader of one sect. I don't understand why you have such difficultly understanding that fact.

There are multiple Christian leaders, and I said clearly Religions have multiple leaders due to there being multiple sects.

long range shooter

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Lads, it's not difficult - these attacks were carried out by an extremist Muslim terrorist organisation, most likely IS.

So say that. Call IS and their followers all the names under the sun. Curse them all you like. Declare war on them. Great.

But it is harmful, whether you like it or not, to say simply that Muslims did it. That's the best way to compound bigotry against the average Muslim and potentially drive people into the arms of groups like IS.

That's exactly what happened with the IRA attacks being blamed on the Irish and Catholics. Treating everyone from a particular community like a potential criminal is wrong and dangerous.

Hating on IS and extremist Muslims is fine. I'll agree with you all damn day. Hating on Muslims in general (and disrespecting their faith with terms like "paedophile") is not. It's bigotry. Plain and simple.

And yes, I do know that Islam has violent stuff in the Koran. So does the Bible. Get over yourself. People interpret stuff to suit themselves because they're assholes, not because they're a particular religion.

You don't think every Irish Catholic supported and condoned the IRA. You can't blame all Jews for the treatment of Palestinians when that's the work of Zionists and extremism. The current Islamic extremism problem is bigger than both those problems, but the same principle applies.

This is not PC gone mad. It's reality. Semantics matter.

So what is Muslims in General doing about muslim extremists?Nothing,so maybe thats why there is so much hatred against the Muslims,ever thought of that?

walshyn93

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Lads, it's not difficult - these attacks were carried out by an extremist Muslim terrorist organisation, most likely IS.

So say that. Call IS and their followers all the names under the sun. Curse them all you like. Declare war on them. Great.

But it is harmful, whether you like it or not, to say simply that Muslims did it. That's the best way to compound bigotry against the average Muslim and potentially drive people into the arms of groups like IS.

That's exactly what happened with the IRA attacks being blamed on the Irish and Catholics. Treating everyone from a particular community like a potential criminal is wrong and dangerous.

Hating on IS and extremist Muslims is fine. I'll agree with you all damn day. Hating on Muslims in general (and disrespecting their faith with terms like "paedophile") is not. It's bigotry. Plain and simple.

And yes, I do know that Islam has violent stuff in the Koran. So does the Bible. Get over yourself. People interpret stuff to suit themselves because they're assholes, not because they're a particular religion.

You don't think every Irish Catholic supported and condoned the IRA. You can't blame all Jews for the treatment of Palestinians when that's the work of Zionists and extremism. The current Islamic extremism problem is bigger than both those problems, but the same principle applies.

This is not PC gone mad. It's reality. Semantics matter.

Pretty much sums up the worth of this post.

screamer

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have a feeling large heavily armed balaclava wearing gentlemen will be arriving in Molenbeek for a community shakedown in the next few hours

Hardly when there are 90 plus known jihadists there and nothing was done about it......

walshyn93

Nodin wrote: »

Makes as much sense as blaming catholics for larry murphy.

You're capable of better than this.

sunshine and showers

long range shooter wrote: »

So what is Muslims in General doing about muslim extremists?Nothing,so maybe thats why there is so much hatred against the Muslims,ever thought of that?

Running in fear of their lives from them. Preaching against them in Western countries. Why is it the responsibility of Muslims alone to stop them?

Timberrrrrrrr

Irish Stones wrote: »

So what? Being born in a country isn't synonyme of being one of them.
My parents came from south Italy to the rich north Italy. Does this make me a northern?

No

It does make them Italian though.

sunshine and showers

walshyn93 wrote: »

Pretty much sums up the worth of this post.

No. You're going to need to do better than that. I made a reasoned, logical post. Give me your reasons for thinking otherwise.