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Wanderer78 wrote: » most of the labour force is under paid at the moment, or another way of looking at it is most are over taxed. those that you mention op deserve higher pay as their services to society are extremely important.
purplecow1977 wrote: » Regarding teachers, I agree with you, but performance related pay is a dangerous route to take. What one person deems to be a 'good' teacher may not be what another thinks.
Arkady wrote: » Ireland has to remain competitive though. Salaries in Ireland are still much too high and non competitive with large parts of Europe. Unless working people grasp this, and their obligation to pay sufficient taxes/levies/charges for Ireland to remain a favorable location for the wealthy, the wealthy will just leave Ireland and live elsewhere.
tayto lover wrote: » A lot of things are much cheaper in European countries hence the wages here.
Augeo wrote: » It's important to remember that nurses & teachers are far more qualified than AGS.
Arkady wrote: » Exactly, Ireland is not competive. In order for it to be so, and for the costs of goods and services to be so, the wages need to come down. Profit levels need to be sustained in order to make it worth an employers while to employ Irish people.
Jesse Odd Parrot wrote: » Its a down right lie/spoof. I'd clean toilets all day, with a toothbrush, for €800 euro a week.
stefanovich wrote: » Realistically what kind of wage are they on? I would like to think they were starting on 40,000 or so rising to 80,000 with experience. I guess it is way less.
FGR wrote: » The minimum entry requirements are lower but bear in mind that AGS recruits are trained to bachelors degree level. Also, many in AGS are in possession of post second level qualifications prior to joining.
Victor wrote: » A newly sworn-in Garda (not a student garda) is on about €31,000.
Olishi4 wrote: » newwan wrote: » Not I mean putting back into the system that spent money on them and investing on their training. In the UK, army doctors who have been supported through university are required to spend some years working before leaving after gaining their qualification but civilians can up and leave for Canada or Australia the next day. How can things improve for the health system in the long run, if time and money is spent on training only for them to leave? Are there similar issues in dental and veterinary services in Ireland? Totally diff. Im not even going to begin to speculate on the specifics of a soldier who is paid to become a doctor versus a citizen who takes on a debt of 100+k to become a doc. So your answer to fix the health system is lock doctors in? Dont bother with increasing other staff members or decreasing work hours or handover of tasks or increasing beds and radiology services etc. Just lock them in. And were golden. Interesting
newwan wrote: » Not I mean putting back into the system that spent money on them and investing on their training. In the UK, army doctors who have been supported through university are required to spend some years working before leaving after gaining their qualification but civilians can up and leave for Canada or Australia the next day. How can things improve for the health system in the long run, if time and money is spent on training only for them to leave? Are there similar issues in dental and veterinary services in Ireland?
gctest50 wrote: » It's important to remember that nurses & teachers are far more likely to not get shot at or stabbed
myshirt wrote: » I once had this debate with a few friends during a Manchester United match. A robust debate which nearly came to blows. Wayne Rooney - the man is on £200k a week. A nurse, £30k a year. Where is the justice or sense in spending country economic wealth that way?
It was later reported in October 2013 that Sheindlin is the highest-paid TV star, earning $47 million per year for Judge Judy, which translates into just over $900,000 per workday (she works 52 days per year)
rubadub wrote: » ....... It's also important to understand the concept of "danger money", of course many nurses would be at risk too.
Augeo wrote: » As I said, if it wasn't a dangerous job AGS would be on less than they are on today.
tayto lover wrote: » FFS they are on a pittance if they're only on 31K. Very poor money.......
newwan wrote: » Olishi4 wrote: » Totally diff. Im not even going to begin to speculate on the specifics of a soldier who is paid to become a doctor versus a citizen who takes on a debt of 100+k to become a doc. So your answer to fix the health system is lock doctors in? Dont bother with increasing other staff members or decreasing work hours or handover of tasks or increasing beds and radiology services etc. Just lock them in. And were golden. Interesting "Lock doctors in" is a bit of an exaggeration to what I am saying. During training, doctors are paid. A couple more years working within the system that invested in them and being paid at specialist level will only add to their training and experience. More fully trained doctors available equals less OT for specialists in general and less pressure on doctors in training therefore less OT, staff burn out and less tax payers money wasted on overtime. This does "increase staff", "decreases working hours" and stops the handover, pressure and responsibility of specialist tasks being placed on those who are not fully trained.
Olishi4 wrote: » Totally diff. Im not even going to begin to speculate on the specifics of a soldier who is paid to become a doctor versus a citizen who takes on a debt of 100+k to become a doc. So your answer to fix the health system is lock doctors in? Dont bother with increasing other staff members or decreasing work hours or handover of tasks or increasing beds and radiology services etc. Just lock them in. And were golden. Interesting
Augeo wrote: » It goes up every year. That's the year 1 salary excluding shift premium.
Redser87 wrote: » Staff nurse starts at 27,400, according to the hse website which won't copy properly on my phone.
Ally Dick wrote: » The main problem is the strength of the unions and the benchmarking in the public sector unions that they can't row back on. Now the HSE is stuck with big payroll costs, and some people sitting at a desk doing f@ck all earning €70k a year, because they are there years, while new recruits are getting around €22k and doing as much if not more than those people on the big money
maryishere wrote: » Plus the pensions...the people sitting at a desk doing f@ck all earning €70k a year retire on more than most people in the private sector earn. The system is ******.
tayto lover wrote: » Its clearly not near enough though.
tayto lover wrote: And yet when people go on strike for better pay they are lambasted for doing so.
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