John_D80 wrote: » Hadn't even considered Cowboy to be honest but he did say before he fought ''the other cowboy'' that the weight cut would be a lot easier to 170 so I'm assuming he still cut some weight. ONE FC's new rules are a great foundation to build on for the future. There are a few minor flaws but hats off to them as an organisation for saying ''enough is enough''.
shrapnel222 wrote: » what are one FCs new rules?
John_D80 wrote: » Cant find a link that explains it adequately but its basically a series of weigh-ins both in and out of competition, all year round, to ensure that fighters are competing as close as possible to their walking around weight. My understanding of it is that they are only allowed to deviate a certain percentage above or below their weight, at different stages during their fight preparations or they can be penalised or barred from fighting. The whole idea being that fighters will be arriving in the ring without having dangerously dehydrated themselves.
shrapnel222 wrote: » wow, sounds crazy! all year round is overkill surely.
shrapnel222 wrote: » wow, sounds crazy! all year round is overkill surely. For me i'd like to see reach weight maybe +- 5% maybe the fortnight before with weigh ins every day, couple of days. Which means they can cut but have to stay at that weight for a relative length of time.
JustShon wrote: » Depends on how often the weigh-ins are. I can't see UFC going for this though since they like to make a big event around weigh-ins and people would soon get sick of it if they tried that every 3 months for every fighter.
Gamebred wrote: » When people are saying hes fighting midgets,it becomes a height discussion.
The Golden Miller wrote: » Fighting smaller men in Light Heavyweight? What do I think of that? This thread isn't about Jon Jones incase you misread the title. Although unrelated, unlike Conor talking about clearing out the UFC roster in 4 months, Nate probably would go the distance with Jones and come out standing after taking a hiding
The Golden Miller wrote: » I don't agree with any coward not moving up if they dominate a certain weight, including Jones. 4 years defending the same title when there's no roof over his head is a joke. Although with Jones there is some pretty even match-ups and it often goes the distance. There is still that challenge there, unlike with McGregor who is not fighting at his natural weight class and has breezed through the division
RedemptionZ wrote: » He could have easily lost to Mendes If Chad hadn't gassed. We don't know anything about the Aldo fight as it ended in the first exchanges. Had Aldo tried to wear out Conor's legs it could have been different. He could easily lose to Frankie, who is also very hard to knock out and is a great wrestler who will have a full camp. I can see all three of those beating Conor. Not that they necessarily will, but he's far from invincible in the division.
Mellor wrote: » I'd have guessed his weight cut was bigger at FW, given how awful he looks on the scales. But we never got to see him cutting to 155 either. 72kg to 66kg isn't an massive big weight cut. Exactly. MMA fighters are cutting weight closer to wrestlers than kickboxers/boxers. I think the above bit highlights the issue. You are basing your opinion on your experiences as a kickboxer. Which is completely understandable thing to do btw, but it's also skewing your perception. A kickboxer who walks around at 74kg might belong at 70kg/154lbs (let's say he competes under K-1 divisions). But that would make for a undersized LW in MMA. In MMA it's probably a very typical FW. A big FW (like Conor) would be above that. The point of the question was to gauge your perception of a harsh/normal cuts. Don't worry, I wasn't looking to set up a kickboxing match Well planned CKD, and some extra cardio is simply, pardon the pun, not going to cut it in MMA. Even at an lower level the normal approach would be some combination of CKD, salt restriction, water loading, hot salt baths/ steam/sauna, clear bowels. Followed by rehydration - carb loading. MMA divisions are big, so people often fall between them in terms of their natural division. Conor is absolutely a big FW, but the Conor that fought in the octagon in 2015 would have way undersized at LW.
John_D80 wrote: » Right thats all stuff that everyone already knows. Dont know what it has to do with the post of mine that you quoted to be honest. I was asking the guy if he would help me understand his point better and tell me a few elite level fighters that fight at their natural weight because I cant think of a single one. With reference to weight cuts, McGregor is being ridiculed for doing exactly what every fighter in the promotion does, just because he does it better than them.
pone2012 wrote: » That was my only point really, he is a big featherweight, which is in itself an advantage (not a game changer, however). Thats why i imagine he'll have some better fights @LW (More entertaining, longer lasting), but then you have guys like Diaz who are big LW's who can take those punches for days, so it requires a change in technique from him, He cant expect to knock these guys out so easy. I like Conor tbh, but I feel as though he places too much of an emphasis on finishing things quick..this holds fine in FW ( thats why I used the word "bully" ), but at LW or WW I think he needs a different approach...
Foxtrol wrote: » The thing is he hasn’t always gone for finishing things straight away at FW. The Holloway, Siver, Mendes fights he picked them apart a bit before going for killer shots. For some reason he decided he was going to continuously swing for the fences from the off with the guy with the best chin that he’s ever fought, it was arrogant and completely idiotic.
JustShon wrote: » Pride / arrogance (depending on your opinion of him) I reckon. He said more than once that he thought Diaz was a one-dimensional fighter and generally treated him like a thick brute. He overestimated his own strength and underestimated Diaz.
Fall_Guy wrote: » I'm not sure that was it, to be honest. At the risk of veering into the realm of bro-psychology, I got the feeling that Conor was far less relaxed from the get-go than he usually is in the ring. He normally fight so calmly that even when throwing power shots and firing off spinning kicks and jumping switch kicks etc to beat the band, he expends the minimum of energy. He looked like he had a major adrenaline dump in that fight. I know this sounds ridiculous and I Usually rate Conor's mental strength as one of his best assets, but I feel he was a little rattled in this one and he felt the pressure to make a statement coming into it. I just feel that there is no way a man of his level of fitness gasses that badly in under a round unless anxiety plays a part.
riffmongous wrote: » There was a lot of hype about him after the quick Aldo knockout and he wouldn't be the first guy to start believing his own hype, I mean we all bought into it too (358 voted for knockout and 34 by points in the poll). Let's just hope he learns from it now and keeps himself grounded
riffmongous wrote: » Frankie Edgar won the title at his natural weight and only moved down after he was unlucky with the judges BJ Penn of course, Machida?
John_D80 wrote: » Frankie walks around at 155? Wow I thought he was quite a bit bigger than that, around 160-165. BJ Penn, your definitely right on but Machida has to cut to get to MW, definitely. Hasn't fought at LHW for nearly 3 years now AFAIK. Point I was getting at is that 99% of fighters are cutting weight so why should Mcgregor get criticised for it. Machida and Edgar are actually two examples that support this as they both went down weight divisions.
"He walks around and he's 157," Henry continued. "He comes back from Disneyland after his last fight or two fights ago and he's 157, 158 or 159. I don't think Frankie gets enough credit for what he's accomplishing and doing in MMA."
Idbatterim wrote: » lads what date is mcgregor fighting in vegas next?
Richard tea wrote: » Ok its been a few days. Im still gutted. But things are looking up. After re watching moments of the fight I have Cornor as the better striker. He gassed. Thats it plain and simple. He beat himself. Im sure he will come back and dominate 145 division and most likely dominate 155 division also. I would like to see him at 170 again but not within the next 2 years and this time have a solid fight plan. I think If Nate was honest with himself he would admit that those punches hurt big time. Those slow mo gifs posted earlier are beautiful.
Fall_Guy wrote: » I'm not sure that was it, to be honest. At the risk of veering into the realm of bro-psychology, I got the feeling that Conor was far less relaxed from the get-go than he usually is in the ring. He normally fights so calmly that even when throwing power shots and firing off spinning kicks and jumping switch kicks etc to beat the band, he expends the minimum of energy. He looked like he had a major adrenaline dump in that fight. I know this sounds ridiculous and I Usually rate Conor's mental strength as one of his best assets, but I feel he was a little rattled in this one and he felt the pressure to make a statement coming into it. I just feel that there is no way a man of his level of fitness gasses that badly in under a round unless anxiety plays a part.
Sync wrote: » Did Nates legs buckle at any stage tho? Genuinely curious, as I know Conors did when Nate caught him, which was the beginning of the end.
Foxtrol wrote: » I’ve said it several times, including before the fight, but he was different all this fight week. He’s normally calm and composed, rarely even talking much crap. The press conferences during fight week are usually a drab affair, about faces melting away and the opponent being just a body type, while this time he was screaming, giving constant abuse every time he was in front of a camera, throwing punches, trying to start fights with Diaz’ camp. I’m not sure if it was the extra calories from not cutting weight, media hype, Diaz trash talk but his over-exuberant fight week is very similar to his over exuberant first round. Hope fully it’ll be a good learning experience and next time it’ll be back to the same old calmness and destruction of opponents.
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