sdanseo wrote: » kub made reference to Fianna Fáil having done "nothing" about the M20: Now I don't for a second deny that FF made a bit of a mess of the economy, but that was fairly all-encompassing and not a specific issue. Is it Fianna Fáil''s fault that a halt was called? Probably, albeit indirectly, but it's not correct to say they did nothing.
sdanseo wrote: » Now I don't for a second deny that FF made a bit of a mess of the economy, but that was fairly all-encompassing and not a specific issue. Is it Fianna Fáil''s fault that a halt was called? Probably, albeit indirectly, but it's not correct to say they did nothing.
Dannyboy83 wrote: » Countries with a highly developed infrastructure such as Germany struggle to recognise what area will return most bang for investment buck; We don't struggle with that same problem yet in Ireland, because we haven't reached that stage yet.
Carawaystick wrote: » Germany has gombeen politicians too, and creaking infrastructure too.http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/germany-s-infrastructure-rusts-as-politicians-fiddle-1.2036328
The Limerick TD said it “beggars belief” that the Government would pursue the development of a new motorway from Limerick to Foynes while abandoning plans to link the two cities. “People simply can’t understand the Government’s thinking here. It is so obvious to everybody that this government cares less about the regions outside of Dublin. This decision is another confirmation of this approach,” Mr Collins said.
Schadenfreudia wrote: » So, the road between Limerick to Foynes is located in Dublin (like the M17/M18 no doubt)? That kind of knee-jerk rustic rant really annoys me; Limerick has yet again been prioritised over Cork (no doubt due to the influence of Limerick politicians like Collins) and Collins, to help his party in Cork, tries to blame "Dublin".
Calina wrote: » Arguably, the problem as I see it, is that decisions made in Dublin are often made in ignorance of the country outside Dublin. And that is the point he is driving at. Not that Foynes is located in Dublin.
swoofer wrote: » The reason why the M20 has been shelved is herehttps://www.google.ie/maps/@52.2162008,-8.7249395,9z?hl=en its as plain as day, its the Dublin factor, with a motoway to Cork and Limerick Dublin would loose all its attractions, you would have 2 airports, 2 large population areas, commutable each way, 2 universities, etc I could go on. At the moment all roads lead to Dublin and so it shall remain. The advent of the new Eircom, ESB/Vodafone roll out will knock that road back further, ie BB speeds will exceed those in Dublin.
hardy_buck wrote: » So is this motorway and all planning with it properly dead or is there any chance it could ever be restarted?
L1011 wrote: » The original plan is probably dead. There will, eventually, be an M20 assuming we don't suddenly move away from motorised transport (personal, public and freight) entirely suddenly. It could be a very different route, e.g. coming from further up the M8.
funnyname wrote: » That would be nuts if they go up the m8 and say join the n24 at cahir, that would add 40km to the journey. Also what about all the towns on the n20 that would still need to be bypassed. I have a feeling money will be made available for this in the next budget.
touts wrote: » If they do make money available in the next budget it will be an empty election promise and will quietly disappear come the next government. Most money will be pumped into projects in around Dublin where a government will get a greater bang, vote wise, for their buck. Long term my bet is they will go Limerick to Mitchelstown to link up with the M8 and say job done then. That would also cover half the proposed N24 (the second half of that, Cahir-Waterford-Rosslare will never get done). But either way we won't see any real progress on any of these roads for a decade or more. For all intents and purposes it is dead now.
Cookiemunster wrote: » What that won't do is replace the Cork - Mallow section of the N20 or bypass Charleville and Buttevant. It's not all about Cork to Limerick, there is a lot of commuting into Limerick and Cork from various places along the route.
touts wrote: » Agree but it will allow them to say that there is an alternative and X amount of cars will be taken off the route. If roads were build based on what people actually needed then this would have been done years ago.
marno21 wrote: » At present the N24, R513 and M8 provide the option of going to Cork you propose, and the R513 is most definately not over capacity. This road is needed for traffic between Limerick, Charleville, Mallow and Cork as much as through traffic.
lucernarian wrote: » If we're talking motorways, they're more about linking cities, not small towns and villages. Cork County Council are looking for funding for the Mallow north relief road for instance and also to sort out some of the worst parts of the N20. If that, plus an M8 link-up could be done, could it offer a cheaper yet effective alternative?
marno21 wrote: » There's no point in improving the N20 and then building a motorway through rural areas of Co. Limerick. If motorways were just about connecting cities there would be no need for exits on them
spacetweek wrote: » Ireland has a much more dispersed population than most European countries. Here, motorways are just as much about local traffic as they are for long distance. The intention isn't to build what's cheapest, it's to build what's right.
Markcheese wrote: » Always though limerick , cork and Waterford motorways should have met somewhere in tipp - then up to meet up with Galway road and on to Dublin - take of the Dublin centeredness off our road networks - Is there really a need for a cork limerick motorway anyway ? in terms of population and freight movements - ? ( not saying a serious upgrade isn't required but motorway ?)
