FixdePitchmark wrote: » And above exact scenario will happen - a bit naive to think - ah sure drive on it will be grand. Golfers are the most pedantic - angry - nosey - inquisitive group going , above will be war.
First Up wrote: » I think the technology has a bit of catching up to do in order for this to run seamlessly but seeing as the rule was introduced at least in part to cut down on banditry, it is reasonable to assume that prize winners will be checked for eligibility. Enforcing the rules isn't being pedantic, angry or nosey. It is being thorough and if you were at the wrong end of a bit of handicap chicanery, you might be glad to see it.
Russman wrote: » At the risk of sounding like a bit of an old fart, I'm not sure its a great reflection on golf/golfers/clubs/whatever, that basically there seems to be a consensus that a rule brought in by the governing body of a sport is deemed "ok to be ignored" because it doesn't suit a few people. Good rule or bad rule, like the rule or not, its still a rule. Clubs wilfully ignoring it or not policing it is setting a very dangerous precedent IMHO. If you don't like it, lobby to get it changed. What about a club playing an 8 handicapper in the Metro but saying "ahh he was only 8 for a day last year, he went straight back out to 9 the next day, its silly to exclude him and he really wants to play....." ??
Norfolk Enchants_ wrote: » That's the thing though, it's not really a rule, is it?, it's all a bit vague and the GUI haven't really given proper direction to clubs as to how it's to be implemented and policed. Essentially from what I can gather, the GUI have said it's up to the individual club as to whether they want to enforce it or not. So IMO it's a wishy washy, half arsed attempt at addressing a serious issue, and ultimately only serves to give an anti golf message. Edit to say your point about the handicapper isn't relevant as it's crystal clear from his HC record and there is no scope for arguement or interpretation, which is not the case with this BS new "rule".
Kingswood Rover wrote: » Just don't get bringing a rule without the means of enforcing it. From our clubs perspective of running a lot of opens it will mean ringing a visitors club to check that they are eligible to win a prize if they do indeed win or are placed in our Opens. Another thought, OK so you need to have 3 qualifying scores returned at your home club to be eligible to play in an away open, say you don't fill the requirement but play in the open anyway and get your.1 back, that's kinda iffey. Implementing this rule properly the club hosting the Open probably need to check all away players eligibility, that is a lot of phone calls and in reality no club is going to do this.
First Up wrote: » The GUI circular mentions that administrators can check players' records on Golfnet. That is where some inconsistency is possible (i.e. some may not bother) but when it is built onto the Swipe Card system it will be done automatically.
Kingswood Rover wrote: » Howya First up, does each club have an administrator privilege then on Golfnet that lets them look at any GUI member playing records? asking because i reckon i will end up doing this job in our place at some stage in the next couple of years and am not sure that the present handicap/comp sec is even aware of this.
paulos53 wrote: » As far as I know this motion was passed earlier this year "“That, with effect from 1st March 2015, in order to be eligible to compete in a Singles Qualifying Competition at an Away Club, with the exception of all events listed in No. 6 of the Union Bye Laws, a Member of a GUI Affiliated Golf Club must have returned at least three scores in Singles Qualifying Competitions at his Home Club, at any time on or after the corresponding date one year before the Singles Qualifying Competition at the Away Club.” This allows you to play 3 home comps and then enter away comps for the rest of the year.
The Big Easy wrote: » So can anyone confirm that this is definitely the case? Am I eligible for the rest of the year now I've played three home opens? Don't think it's been handled great by the GUI. There is very little information about it online. And if this amendment is official I can't find any reference to it Anyway hope you're right paulos
Uncle Ben wrote: » Do people really believe that the alleged club with 7000 members will enforce thi?
Axel Lamp wrote: » What alleged club has allegedly 7000 members?
Uncle Ben wrote: » Read the thread. There are clubs mentioned with memberships ranging from 800 to 8000! The point raised however, is that the Gui who want this ruling enforced haven't provided the technology to enforce it. Apart from some volunteer sitting by a phone on Open Days, and phoning competitors home clubs, hoping that the volunteer in that club has that info. Mad Ted.
First Up wrote: » Did you read the bit of the thread where it says the information is accessible through Golfnet (for the moment) and that GUI is working with the various software vendors to make it part of the swipe card system?
Uncle Ben wrote: » I did. But it still requires a member of committee or some other volunteers being present and checking Gui numbers prior to people playing. This just isn't feasible. Last bank holiday weekend I played the open in Ballinrobe, I paid the barmaid, signed in. and teed off. Is this girl expected to check Golfnet aswell as serving coffees etc. In my club it's hard enough to get players to make themselves available to check cards during open week., let alone sit by a computer checking visitors eligibility.
Axel Lamp wrote: » It was a genuine simple question, I don't have the time to read 40 odd pages.
First Up wrote: » I don't see clubs that want to fill their times sheets being too bothered about people playing their opens. However prize winners are a different story and checking a few of those once a month is hardly onerous. And when it is built into the Swipe Cards, the barmaid can devote herself fully to her catering duties. Bear in mind that this was introduced primarily (at least ostensibly) to tackle banditry. Tackling distance members who never visit or play their "home" club is a side benefit - as will be putting manners on clubs that dole out GUI cards (for other clubs to honour) as an income stream.
Uncle Ben wrote: » That's what I said earlier. I'll check those in the winners enclosure the rest will escape under the radar.
Uncle Ben wrote: » Sorry I didn't mean to sound so smart. There are clubs such as Blessington, Scarke, Slievenamon mentioned and portrayed as having memberships of 800 to 8000!
SaveOurLyric wrote: » I guess that those clubs in favour of the restriction were not too concerned about the practicalities of implementing it, have themselves the resources to do so, and assumed other clubs would be equally favourable to its application. But those clubs who dont have the resources of manpower are the same ones who are happy to take any euros waved in their direction, so in practice the move is academic. Clubs can run all-comers open if they wish - whats the GUI going to do about it ?
FixdePitchmark wrote: » Lads - could some post a link of these competitions that have a trip to Spain in them I could have a new target.
SaveOurLyric wrote: » I was not clear, but meant come-all competitions as those that disregard the new rule, rather than allowing people without a handicap at all. Which I guess in practice is what is happening. Clubs are asking for a GUI handicap, but not whether you have qualifying scores entered the previous year. They want your cash......so best not to ask.
First Up wrote: » It will be interesting to see what happens when the Swipe Card software is updated to include the 3 qualifying rounds. Will clubs still let people play - but tell them they are ineligible for prizes?
