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Papa Francis - Same Sex Marriage

K4t

Speaking in the Philippines yesterday:

Francis went into attack mode. "The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage," Francis told the crowd. "These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces, which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-gay-marriage-will-destroy-the-family-disfigure-god-s-plan

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mrsbyrne

Daith wrote: »

Sure, everyone can and should vote and everyone is allowed to express an opinion and everyone is allowed to express opinions on other people's opinions.

Never said otherwise

Is it not kinda pointless though comfplaining about something and then saying that you think it should nonetheless be allowed to continue.
It's a bit like looking at Sth Africa 30 years ago and saying "Well obviously apartheid is fundamentally evil , but hey , nothing can be done.
I thino people who complain about the power and influence.of the RCC especially those that constantly simultaneously declare the RCC to have no power and influence in 2015 should come clean and start a campaign to have membership of the RCC included in the list of banned organizations.

Son Of A Vidic

K4t wrote: »

I hope you won't object to me refusing to take marriage advice from an old virgin in charge of an organization that raped thousands of children for decades.

Dude Pope a virgin? Not a chance. The man worked as a bouncer in a Buenos Aires nightclub before he became a Priest. I'm sure his oats were well sown before he put on the collar.

macyard

padd b1975 wrote: »

Always with the paedophilia!

I know right, why do people tarnish all priests as kiddy fiddlers.

padd b1975

macyard wrote: »

http://www.smh.com.au/national/named-the-australian-paedophile-jailed-for-40-years-20130630-2p5da.html

I am guessing the priest, at least if he turns out to be paedophile he will be quite if the walls are thin, gay couple might be blasting pop music if they are paedophiles so you won't get as much sleep

Always with the paedophilia!

ScumLord

K4t wrote: »

The only side I am on is good v bad.

The classic religious view of the world, good Vs evil. Both of which are completely subjective depending on your point of view.

macyard

padd b1975 wrote: »

Me too!!

http://www.smh.com.au/national/named-the-australian-paedophile-jailed-for-40-years-20130630-2p5da.html

I am guessing the priest, at least if he turns out to be paedophile he will be quite if the walls are thin, gay couple might be blasting pop music if they are paedophiles so you won't get as much sleep

K4t

padd b1975 wrote: »

You might want to ease back on the childish name calling there, it does nothing for yourself or your side of the argument.

You're confused. I'm not on any side. I believe in equal rights. Simple really.

The only side I am on is good v bad. And religion is bad. Does it have redeeming characteristics? Yes. But that is not a good argument for anything. Do not mistake this with me being intolerant of anything. They can say what they like bar nothing and do as they please (within legality).

padd b1975

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Given the choice of a priest or a gay couple i know who i would prefer as a neighbour.

Me too!!

padd b1975

Daith wrote: »

Grouping people to dismiss points isn't my thing tbh. Whether that is calling someone a liberal or homophobic.

Fair enough.

Daith

padd b1975 wrote: »

You're not??

Grouping people to dismiss points isn't my thing tbh. Whether that is calling someone a liberal or homophobic.

padd b1975

Daith wrote: »

Likewise calling someone a liberal does nothing for your argument.

You're not??

Timberrrrrrrr

padd b1975 wrote: »

You do know lot's of gay people will be voting no?

Kinda blows your theory out of the water doesn't it..

You have evidence for this claim of course?

Timberrrrrrrr

Manach wrote: »

Shock, Horror, Unbelievable. The Pope upholds Catholic doctrine and traditional communal values. I can seen mass dosages of smelling salts being applied to the PC brigade.

Do these include the systematic rape and abuse of children or are they optional extras? Given the choice of a priest or a gay couple i know who i would prefer as a neighbour.

Daith

padd b1975 wrote: »

You might want to ease back on the childish name calling there, it does nothing for yourself or your side of the argument.

Likewise calling someone a liberal does nothing for your argument.

Annasopra

padd b1975 wrote: »

You do know lot's of gay people will be voting no?

Kinda blows your theory out of the water doesn't it..

Lots?

RobertKK

Daith wrote: »

Unless someone is blasphemous

How often has that law being used in the last 20 years?

padd b1975

K4t wrote: »

Nobody wants them stopped from voting or campaigning.

It will make it all the sweeter when it passes knowing the blood sweat and tears the god botherers will have put into lobbying and campaigning for a no vote in vain. Though they'll see it as having been a just and worthy cause of course.

I expect the referendum to pass, the end result may well be a little closer than the polls are telling us right now.

I predict I will lose no blood, sweat, tears etc etc over this.

You might want to ease back on the childish name calling there, it does nothing for yourself or your side of the argument.

Daith

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Appreciate the fact that you live in a country where all voices can be heard.

Unless someone is blasphemous

DEFTLEFTHAND

Dog of Tears wrote: »

I'll extend my theory to include 'idiots' so.
We must never forget to allow for the idiots when discussing the people who make up society.

You'll get nowhere in political debate by describing your opponents as idiots, it only serves to further entrench their views and creates hostility. I've been guilty of this myself on many occasions when describing the left. I generalise and mock instead of trying to understand their position and viewpoint.

Appreciate the fact that you live in a country where all voices can be heard.

K4t

padd b1975 wrote: »

Do you think they should, and by extension campaigning?

Nobody wants them stopped from voting or campaigning.

It will make it all the sweeter when it passes knowing the blood sweat and tears the god botherers will have put into lobbying and campaigning for a no vote in vain. Though they'll see it as having been a just and worthy cause of course.

Daith

padd b1975 wrote: »

Do you think they should, and by extension campaigning?

Sure, everyone can and should vote and everyone is allowed to express an opinion and everyone is allowed to express opinions on other people's opinions.

Never said otherwise

Dog of Tears

padd b1975 wrote: »

You do know lot's of gay people will be voting no?

Kinda blows your theory out of the water doesn't it..

I'll extend my theory to include 'idiots' so.
We must never forget to allow for the idiots when discussing the people who make up society.

Daith

padd b1975 wrote: »

You do know lot's of gay people will be voting no?

Kinda blows your theory out of the water doesn't it..

You know lots of gay people? Are they single? Are they hot?

padd b1975

Daith wrote: »

I never said they should be stopped from voting.

Do you think they should, and by extension campaigning?

padd b1975

Dog of Tears wrote: »

Anyone who votes against extending the same rights to gay people as heterosexual people enjoy, is by definition, a homophobe.

That is an unarguable fact.

You do know lot's of gay people will be voting no?

Kinda blows your theory out of the water doesn't it..

Daith

Manach wrote: »

Shock, Horror, Unbelievable. The Pope upholds Catholic doctrine and traditional communal values. I can seen mass dosages of smelling salts being applied to the PC brigade.

The Catholic Church is the most hypocritical organisation when it comes to upholding traditional values.

Manach

Shock, Horror, Unbelievable. The Pope upholds Catholic doctrine and traditional communal values. I can seen mass dosages of smelling salts being applied to the PC brigade.

Daith

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Well where do we draw the line then? If you accuse someone of voting no because they are a homophobic bigot then can they say that you voted yes because you are s shirt lifting bum boy?is one accusation hate speech and the other not? Who decides who can say what?

Religious organisations apparently.

If you believe in freedom of speech then there is no line.

Daith

padd b1975 wrote: »

Why do you think certain groups (coincidentally, one on the opposite side of the fence to you) should be disenfranchised from voting?

I never said they should be stopped from voting.

mrsbyrne

Daith wrote: »

And you would respect freedom of speech of someone to offer their opinion on how someone voted?

Well where do we draw the line then? If you accuse someone of voting no because they are a homophobic bigot then can they say that you voted yes because you are s shirt lifting bum boy?is one accusation hate speech and the other not? Who decides who can say what?