N20 wrote: » ttm1 You can be 'wan tick biy'
N20 wrote: » This argument is really getting bogged down Firstly Hurling and Football require different skill sets so what works for one may not work for another but depends on a player - I'm not sure these methods has advanced hurling in Kerry ? but I'm being a little churlish everyone agrees that science has advanced sport and improved things hugely for players, with knock on benefits for teams, clubs, spectTors etc, no one is suggesting we return to archaic methods of flogging players, no hydration, S&C, nutrition etc it's the guys who are making careers out of exploiting it to ridiculous levels and the managers that get suckered into placing too much emphasis on it versus the skills of the games, that I for one was raising questions about the irony is with all the science and progression we have, BURNOUT remains a huge issue for our players and the science and it's application does not seem to be addressing that The deliberate stupid interpretation of some posts has really dragged this argument into the mire
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » That's the ist actual logic post I read here among other jargon be fair It's balanced views Nobody ever wanted athletes over hurling but it's impossible be hurler on modern game unless your an athlete first and foremost Daly spoke a huge amount nonsense when like you said he actually befitted from strength and conditions at dublin Every team won all ireland at any level has had huge part in strength conditions etc If daly can prove one team done this with just ten per cent split I'd take notice but it's like looking for needle in a haystack he won't find one where a team won all ireland with ten per cent split over team with fifty fifty It all about balance No team will won all ireland without balance of speed work agility and strength conditions and nutrition and basic skills game combination of real real tactical nous in management and game flow management I agree in development squads must be balanced but you got start young as proven starting at nineteen is too late Science proves it Problem is not the strength and conditions or gym work problem is how and when it's done Like there is a cork under age team at moment that currently do cardiovascular training and gym work some times same nights That's wrong as even average gym goer tell you you don't do weights same day as running etc as muscles are tired and you strain them increase risk of injury It has huge part of the game once done correctly and not like something you see out of a rocky movie
seventh7 wrote: » 100% agree. I have seen underage players at 15 and on the current Cork squads that have undergone very heavy gym work. I have seen bodies on some of these kids that have been sculpted by intensive weight training. I have also noted also that some of the kids have hip problems and logic tells me that this may be coming from squatting with weights. This puts extreme pressure on the labrum which results in tears and excessive wear on still developing tissue. Incorrect use of weights in teenagers has very rapid short term results but long term consenquences. I can see extremely driven kids doing inappropiate things with regards to weight training with little or no supervision. The hurling must come first, the motor skills have to be developed, hand eye coordination is paramount. Build in a good stretching and mobility program and we start to build a player from the ground up. let them hurl day and night if they wish as long as they are not running around with weights they will come to no harm.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Always sign of a lad looses debate when goes off tangent regards other players no relevant to the game Debate the point in question which is Kilkenney will suffer from new rule They can't have it all their own way We have actually replaced those players bar the rock Obviously not yet achieved same standard as rest but cork just need a full back You need to do more research from the home of hurling surely you know frank murphy is actually a Kilkenney man I belive originally Kilkenney may well find a full back but there going have huge trouble in holden is not a full back and glynn lad with ucc certainly isn't I do agree kilkenny won't take age fill full back like cork
homeofhurling wrote: » why would kilkenny suffer from the new rule, do you not think skill and guts and blood didn't play any part in all the all irelands well the 10 under Cody anyway. who said Holden would be fullback for kilkenny maybe with Ballyhale. the only ones making noise about kilkenny not getting there own way would be most corkmen, and cork refs alot of it would be now that we are gone well ahead of cork on the roll of honour , as for Glynn lad fullback with ucc whats the story here, tell you he couldn't be any worse than Shane O'Neill has been for cork the last two years i suppose with Micheal Cussen back with the footballers he might get a run at fullback for the hurlers best of luck in 2015.cheers.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » You were the one started the debate and a selection of few decided that science in sport was wrong You are right certain few here alright brought argument to absolutely ridiculous views With reference to mention of stupidity Only stupirdly on the topic s imo people actually don't bar few know understand concept science in sport
ontheditch2 wrote: » TTM, what did Daly ever do to you. Your condescending manner in which you try to to get your argument across is fairly pathetic. People are entitled to their opinion, whether you like it or not. If your way of winning an argument, is to bore people to death with your essays, then you are right, most people wont bother responding. What Daly said is (not exact quote, but the same idea(read the book)) "that you have to go 90:10 split in favour of Hurling over the other stuff. In 2012, Dublin did it the other way round, and no matter how much stuff you do outside Hurling, if you don't get the ball first, none of the rest of it matters" Every single team in the world has an element of "science" to their preperation. But unless you get the stuff on the field right, no amount of science will win you the game. Are you counting "Psychological" as a science, i have no doubt you are. Because Daly is one of the best Psychological Managers in the Business. It was interesting that you lauded Niall Moran in one of your earlier quotes about "science" and today he is on about how it was getting too much in schools. What you regard as "science" appears to be a very very broad term that covers everything outside of the drills and exercises done on the pitch. Just because a college offer a course on a subject, doesn't make it a "science". As regards, your method of belittling others "knowledge" with your comments. If YOU were so knowledgeable on the aspects of the game, then i suggest you go down to your local club (are you a member of one??) and give a hand on the training field. p.s. Less is more sometimes.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Some great news I belive on the way for cork gaa in the next week great great news.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Your actually telling me what I know I'n I'm totally against those two players Football no relevance to cork hurling this year so we should keep the point Jbm and cuthbhert too completely different managers and you are forgetting jbm dropped him last year and cussen was never a full back for cork hurling Of course skills guts had part play Kilkenney win no questions Questions is that won't matter in as you pointed out in cork had no full back and shane o neill has lots courage and skill but you need a full back as specialsed position You seem sure Kilkenney be fine at full back Who would you think is full back?! Your going on bout shane o neill as cover over kilkenny full back issues Cork fans know we have full back issues It's not case glynn being better than o Neil Point is jj greatest full back ever is gone and Kilkenney now won't be able to foul so new rule will affect them Thry had much better chance saving nash way than now better the enemy you know and all that
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » I debates the point with articles that proved points Now I never belittle daly
homeofhurling wrote: » sorry your the one who brought up the fullbacks about jj gone and Glynn not good enough and kilkenny can't foul anymore i supose cork defence don't foul either. my post was about Nash talking about the new rule i just said this came up over the way the man took his pens in 2013 i didn't say he was wrong but now its easier to score them and as i said he will know as he will be the only man on the line, your the one who brought up jj and eddie keher . as for fullback for kilkenny Paul Murphy can hurl there Kieran Joyce last years MOTM in the replay won an allireland under 21 at fullback, we also have Micheal Walsh who hurl league and walsh cup last year there and if all come to all we can hurl Damien Joyce this years all ireland winning captain there, Mick Fennelly could hurl there as he hurl great stuff centre back for the club this year, you won't know even John Dalton could make a come back still young and hurling greay stuff with carrickshock;)
homeofhurling wrote: » and by the way on his day Noel Hickey was one of the best fullbacks in the game better than JJ, who was one of the best wing backs in the game along with offalys Brian Whelehan.
homeofhurling wrote: » if you look back to last years draw game seamus callianan gave JJ the run around and if it had of been anyone else fullback Cody would have took him off Richie Hogan saved our arse in that final.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Donal og cusack wonderful ambassador for cork has he's programme on gay rights next Monday and he mentions it in relation to gaa What a wonderful courage brave young man he is and awesome servant to cork gaa in my opinion and wonderful sporting hero for cork imo Coming out of the curve is on next Monday night on Rte
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Your a huge advocate of this seventh and your always bang on regards it I think you told us you have degree in this or studied it so when someone like yourself speaks I tend to listen Am I correct in saying Killan Aherne is classic example of good strength and conditions and wonderful hurling mixed together??
Figsy32 wrote: » The three Harty games are called off!
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1401150735-aidan-walsh-vows-to-right-the-wrongs-of-2014/ Great great I mean really really great read here Walsh hurling will improve by another ten per cent this year He imo will be contention for an all star
