Sarky wrote: » I just felt a great disturbance, as of hundreds of thousands of geneticists crying out in pain as their palms connected with their faces hard enough to shatter bone.
.jacksparrow. wrote: » So we are nothing more than robotic machines subject to laws and programming at every level of existence.
.jacksparrow. wrote: » From birth we are subject to the controlling factor of our DNA. We ARE our DNA and we cannot change that programming, it's literally who we are.
Hotfail.com wrote: » Is there any proof of this? Like I said, only one thing can ever happen at a specific point in time.. So you can easily say it's all predetermined because of that, but is there actually any proof that I couldn't have made a different decision?
Snowpavlova wrote: » What do you think causes your thought processes to take place? Does it just occur independent of an rational cause and effect?
debit2credit wrote: » Are you predetermined to give sarky replies? :pac:
debit2credit wrote: » Please explain why the decision was a product of (I.e. caused) by the interaction of the molecules? Please note I don't deny that 'molecules' interact in the brain when decisions are made.
NipNip wrote: » I could tell you, but a brain cell would die per milli second
.jacksparrow. wrote: » Spot on! I think it gives me peace of mind knowing whatever happens was always gonna happen, just sit back and enjoy the ride!!
Snowpavlova wrote: » That decision was a product of interact of molecules in your head, unless you have the ability to periodically change the laws of physics you were always going to make that decision.
Snowpavlova wrote: » You're missing the point, no one is saying that we can ever know what will happen as it's far too complex, but what will happen is predetermined nevertheless.
ressem wrote: » Newton had his view of a clockwork universe but it's not really true. Supercomputers are needed just to make better estimates at modelling a lump of decaying radioactive metal. A stray cosmic particle emitted thousands of years ago from another part of the galaxy and striking a vulnerable piece of electronics can incentivise me to travel a hundred KM tomorrow. The path of that ray is influenced by so many factors, turbulences and unsolvable mathematical equations that it really is unknowable. And that's trivial to thousands of years of accumulated interactions of 800 billion neurons with 7000 interconnections multiplied by billions of people and how any of their behaviour can be altered by a drop of rain or a noticed shadow and any of the collisions that have happened in the past. If you are exposed, even by one of these happenstances, to something that your brain retains, like a lesson in self control then it can have cause you to choose a different option than you would previously. Others can observe your likelihood to choose this option and make a guesstimate about whether you will choose this option in future and change their own actions due to more or less trust in you.
Hotfail.com wrote: » But only one thing can ever happen? But I could have chosen to do something else if I wanted to. Is the argument here really that because you can only choose to do one thing at a specific time that it's impossible you could ever have chosen to do otherwise?
Snowpavlova wrote: » It's something that was always going to happen, make of that what you will.
Snowpavlova wrote: » Nothing is really random, for example the only reason you don't know which side of dice will land upwards facing is that you don't understand the conduits and interactions well enough.
Reg'stoy wrote: » He had no choice but to post his comment according to you jack, therefore you can't rebuke him for it. If as ye both claim, all this is simply us following some script, then there is no point to the thread. Neuroscience shows us that the brain and mind are one in the same and the majority of 'decisions' made are done by the unconscious portion of our brains. The majority of the time the unconscious is acting upon experiences learned. To say we are simply devoid of any randomness in our daily lives goes against the chaos theory and as for the non existence of 'time' entropy for me shows the passage of time. A cup falls and breaks, the universe is moving forward to a state of ultimate disorder. I will chose to go out based on a number of random factors, weather, money even my choice of clothing is based on random events. The keys I hit to type this sentence is based on me trying to articulate my ideas, the level of my education or lack of limits my vocabulary and so changes the keys I've used. Granted the number of decisions choices etc that we make and assume are done consciously are few but to say that the unconscious is somehow preordained is over simplifying our world and the experiences both learned and genetically inherited.
