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Football Championship Thread 2013

DDC1990

There's nowhere to discuss the Championship in general and maybe the games without the interest to have a thread of their own.

Cavan playing very well to start the year off. Lovely foot passing, nice scores and tough tight defence.

Really enjoying the game I have to say.

Armagh need to sort themselves out. Some seriously aimless play.Bringing on a clearly unfit Brendan Donaghy proves how desperate they are.

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Nialler15

SM746 wrote: »

Genuinely dont know Nialler but im just taking McGuinness word for it. Im sure they were but were taking into account the last 3 games going back as far as Down which was over a month ago or maybe Tyrone if he was ignoring the Lsois game in his equation. plenty of time to recover since recovery time im guessing is 10-14 days?? Cud be way of the mark on recovery time there

The guidelines are 3 weeks. So this duty of care he was blowing on about must come into question???

Nialler15

Lemlin wrote: »

You've obviously lost this one because you're making very little sense now.

You made a point re Donegal not scoring much. I pointed to the All Ireland quarters and semi last year where they annihilated teams in high scoring games.

You obviously didn't watch Donegal Monaghan if you think hard hits aren't allowed. Monaghan Cavan was also a game full of them.

I saw Donegal V Monaghan alright....didnt see the other one. Im talking about some of the stuff that referees blow up for.

Like some of the frees Deegan gave to Tyrone yday against Meath late on in scoring positions. Minimal contact

Lemlin

STB wrote: »

It has certainly been embraced!

Pay less attention to what other people say. Pat Spillane for all his cute hooooer punditry was an excellent player.

That will be 2 time All Star Ciaran Whelan to you. A man, definitely and not one you wanted marking you. A physical force to be reckoned with.

He wasn't lecturing either, he made the point that there was a degree of puff PR in it on the run in to the crucial part of this years All Ireland Final. McGuinness's party political broadcast on cynical man marking was laughable given his own interpretation of how gaelic football should be played defeated .

I said Spillane's team, not Spillane himself.

As for Whelan, I won't open the debate on him again. He was an All Star when Dublin played Sligo or Roscommon but when they played Armagh (McGrane), Mayo (McGarrity) or Tyrone (Cavanagh) he was shown who was boss.

You may call him a "physical force to be reckoned with" but I'd call plenty of his play cynical. He thumped Crawford in that '07 game and also took McGarrity out of it in the semi that year.

I remember him coming on against Cavan in a league game in Breffni one time and he had a yellow card within 2 minutes.

STB

Nialler15 wrote: »

Ah give over about Ciaran Whelan. He was the coward I think Mc Geeney was on about. The only time Whelan would hit you was when you couldnt see him coming. He was the king of the cheapshots. The same fella said if he was from kerry he would have 5 or 6 All Irelands. If he was from Kerry he wouldnt have made the county panel.

Give over yourself. 6 Leinster titles and 2 All stars in the 13 years in which he played and captained the Dubs. The only shame is that he never won an All Ireland medal. Himself and Shane Ryan were formidable in the centre of the park

aveytare

STB wrote: »

Give over yourself. 6 Leinster titles and 2 All stars in the 13 years in which he played and captained the Dubs. The only shame is that he never won an All Ireland medal. Himself and Shane Ryan were formidable in the centre of the park

I suppose by that logic Ricey and Galvin are grand as well?

InchicoreDude

Lemlin wrote: »

I remember him coming on against Cavan in a league game in Breffni one time and he had a yellow card within 2 minutes.

What difference does that make? You could probably said that about every GAA player at some stage......

Nialler15

STB wrote: »

Give over yourself. 6 Leinster titles and 2 All stars in the 13 years in which he played and captained the Dubs. The only shame is that he never won an All Ireland medal. Himself and Shane Ryan were formidable in the centre of the park

Ryan was a far better player. The Dubs won 6 Leinsters when there was nobody else in Leinster. They were eternal bottlers on the big stage then. It took a clean out before they won the All Ireland. He joined the panel in 96 the year after they won an All Ireland and left the Panel the year after he left.

K-9

Nialler15 wrote: »

Were Meath in the 90's not just a physcial team? Mayo came looking for a fight that day and got their arses handed to them. Go back to 91 Meath werent dirty or cynical. They had some serious footballers they had no need to be. Flynn, Stafford, O Rourke....and some hard men like Lyons Mc Entee etc.

The difference between those teams and the ulster teams is that the Ulster teams have n interest in football. Donegal the All Ireland Champions in their last two first halves have scored 5 points.....( open to correction if thats wrong) That tells a lot of the story. Stop the opposition play and we will score the minimum.

Yes its winning football but where is the spectacle?

Well I was at the 1988 drawn match between Cork and Meath and where was the spectacle there? Made a hard fought, man like Ulster Championship match in that era, look kinder garden stuff. Neither Meath or Cork were interested in football that day, so this guff about Ulster counties, usually from the "so called" traditional counties is all that it is, they don't like that traditional soft touches like Donegal, Tyrone and now a Connacht team like Mayo will mix it, and even lead with the cynical stuff.

I watched too many Ulster teams going away from Croke Park in the 80's with pats on the backs after hammerings in Croker, or patronising well dones if they made it close. Donegal got beaten by Meath in a S/F in 1990, I know what that Meath team was like, so do Tyrone in 96. You'd swear Dublin and Kerry were angels too, played in some bygone era of sunshine and lollipops.

InchicoreDude wrote: »

The Mark McHugh incident was a 50-50 ball that was an unlucky situation.

I would have liked to seen the other incidents he referred to however. They should have showed them to us to see if there was some validity in what he was saying.

It wasn't a 50/50 ball. It would have been a shoulder to shoulder challenge to be 50/50. McGuinness is over playing it, but saying it was 50/50 makes no sense whatsoever. I do think Donegal get actively targeted more, whether that is management or a player decision on the pitch, I don't know. Karl Lacey was very lucky in last years AI final, and I believe targeted by Dublin in the S/F in 011.

Lemlin

STB wrote: »

Give over yourself. 6 Leinster titles and 2 All stars in the 13 years in which he played and captained the Dubs. The only shame is that he never won an All Ireland medal. Himself and Shane Ryan were formidable in the centre of the park

6 Leinster titles in a decade when no Leinster team even made it to the All Ireland final (02 to 12).

Leinster football was shocking poor for most of the 00s.

Lemlin

InchicoreDude wrote: »

What difference does that make? You could probably said that about every GAA player at some stage......

He had no interest in football. Just starting a ruck with Dermot McCabe because, as with McGarrity, McGrane and Cavanagh, he knew McCabe was a better midfielder.

Nialler15

K-9 wrote: »

Well I was at the 1988 drawn match between Cork and Meath and where was the spectacle there? Made a hard fought, man like Ulster Championship match in that era, look kinder garden stuff. Neither Meath or Cork were interested in football that day, so this guff about Ulster counties, usually from the "so called" traditional counties is all that it is, they don't like that traditional soft touches like Donegal, Tyrone and now a Connacht team like Mayo will mix it, and even lead with the cynical stuff.

I watched too many Ulster teams going away from Croke Park in the 80's with pats on the backs after hammerings in Croker, or patronising well dones if they made it close. Donegal got beaten by Meath in a S/F in 1990, I know what that Meath team was like, so do Tyrone in 96. You'd swear Dublin and Kerry were angels too, played in some bygone era of sunshine and lollipops.

It wasn't a 50/50 ball. It would have been a shoulder to shoulder challenge to be 50/50. McGuinness is over playing it, but saying it was 50/50 makes no sense whatsoever. I do think Donegal get actively targeted more, whether that is management or a player decision on the pitch, I don't know. Karl Lacey was very lucky in last years AI final, and I believe targeted by Dublin in the S/F in 011.

How could it have been shoulder to shoulder when they are coming head on??? the ball was there to be won and nobody backed down. One man got injured

Neeson

Nialler15 wrote: »

The difference between those teams and the ulster teams is that the Ulster teams have n interest in football. Donegal the All Ireland Champions in their last two first halves have scored 5 points.....( open to correction if thats wrong) That tells a lot of the story. Stop the opposition play and we will score the minimum.

But in fairness Laois didn't try to play. They were the ones trying to stop Donegal playing. So you could blame them in that instance. And what else could they do? If they tried to play they would have been raped.

InchicoreDude

Lemlin wrote: »

He had no interest in football. Just starting a ruck with Dermot McCabe because, as with McGarrity, McGrane and Cavanagh, he knew McCabe was a better midfielder.

Ok, I dont the specific incident you are referring to.

However, how many times have you seen players come on and start something straight away? Especially in midfield if things had not been going your way. That does not make you a dirty player. I saw Dermot Earley come on for Kildare a few years ago and give an opponent a serious shoulder running on with the ball nowhere in the vicinity. Does that make him a dirty player too? Every decent GAA player will throw his weight around, doesnt make them dirty players. Alan Dillion did it to Johnny Duane in the Galway - Mayo game this year. Doesnt make Dilion a dirty player. There are a million other examples. Often a player will be brought on and instructed by their manager to get physical if a team are losing the midfield battle.

I dont understand how anybody cannot appreciate the skills Whelan had.

Nialler15

Neeson wrote: »

But in fairness Laois didn't try to play. They were the ones trying to stop Donegal playing. So you could blame them in that instance. And what else could they do? If they tried to play they would have been raped.

donegal had 14 men inside their own half on kick outs. Thats really open expansive football....

Dyr

Nialler15 wrote: »

The same fella said if he was from kerry he would have 5 or 6 All Irelands. If he was from Kerry he wouldnt have made the county panel.

Because kerry have no time for all-stars :rolleyes:

davegrohl48

Nialler15 wrote: »

How could it have been shoulder to shoulder when they are coming head on??? the ball was there to be won and nobody backed down. One man got injured

Mchugh was getting his hands on it n the ball favoured him To challenge for it Monaghan player sprinted forward without checking his pace and as a result collided from the front As I recall Donegal got the free You are not allowed challenge with a hit from the front Mchugh kept eyes hands towards the ball I still say in that situation the fair play by the rules is to let the player gather n contest after It has to be like that Hits from the front are more likely to injure than the allowed side on shoulder or tackle with the hands But no big controversy There will be hits like this People posting here have done them in club games at some stage Doesnt excuse it but its an unfortunate reality of the sport at club n county levels

ArmaniJeanss

Compared to the last 5 pages here, the Soccer forum is a bastion of well reasoned argument with respect for the opposing viewpoint.

yop

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Compared to the last 5 pages here, the Soccer forum is a bastion of well reasoned argument with respect for the opposing viewpoint.

As LFC chairman says "what are you smoking"

I'd say there are about 20 times more bannings on the soccer forum.

Anyway, do you want to offer a viewpoint or just post needlessly?

naughto

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Compared to the last 5 pages here, the Soccer forum is a bastion of well reasoned argument with respect for the opposing viewpoint.

sure u might as well go back to the soccer form so if u dont like it

STB

Lemlin wrote: »

6 Leinster titles in a decade when no Leinster team even made it to the All Ireland final (02 to 12).

Leinster football was shocking poor for most of the 00s.

Well its 6 more than I have personally myself buddy. Ever play yourself ?

You somehow think that it would be easier to get on the Dublin panel than any other County's panel. The population says otherwise.

Put it this way, NO Donegal player has ever matched that number of provincial titles. And I would say you would have to go back some time (should one exist) within Ulster to find a player that has as many provincial medals.

You can only beat the teams put in front of you.

STB

aveytare wrote: »

I suppose by that logic Ricey and Galvin are grand as well?

The point is that Whelan didn't say anything out of the ordinary.

McGuinness's mantra was off the wall and embarrassing.

GAA is a sport. Physical competitive activity, not Chess.

Neeson

Nialler15 wrote: »

donegal had 14 men inside their own half on kick outs. Thats really open expansive football....

Ok. But did Laois not do the same? I expect Mayo will be fairly defensive on Sunday as well. After all look what happened them last year!

Dyr

STB wrote: »

The point is that Whelan didn't say anything out of the ordinary.

McGuinness's mantra was off the wall and embarrassing.

GAA is a sport. Physical competitive activity, not Chess.

"It's not fair when someone does it do us hai"

If donegal players as hard a neck as their manager they'd be concussion proof :pac:

Stoner

Nialler15 wrote: »

Ah give over about Ciaran Whelan. He was the coward I think Mc Geeney was on about. The only time Whelan would hit you was when you couldnt see him coming. He was the king of the cheapshots. The same fella said if he was from kerry he would have 5 or 6 All Irelands. If he was from Kerry he wouldnt have made the county panel.

That's a rubbish comment in fairness he was a class player, he did hit plenty of guys but they seldom came back at him this may have altered your view of the events, Crawford was a great player but no angel either CW did take up an enforcement rile in the Dublin team, most teams have those guys as you know , other supporters hate them but you are talking about a very well respected player DOS said he was the best he played against and made similar comments on how he would have one all Irelands with kerry in fact I think it was him not Ciaran who made that comment, not having a pop at you but are you sure that it was CW who said it because I'm fairly sure I read it in a DOS book.
You are also taking a liberty assuming it was CW that NcGeeney was talking about, I think k it was a fellow ulster man.

I'll agree that CW had a dirty side to his game particularly towards the end if his game but he was no coward and he was a fine player.

K-9

STB wrote: »

The point is that Whelan didn't say anything out of the ordinary.

McGuinness's mantra was off the wall and embarrassing.

GAA is a sport. Physical competitive activity, not Chess.

Maybe.

STB wrote: »

Well its 6 more than I have personally myself buddy. Ever play yourself ?

You somehow think that it would be easier to get on the Dublin panel than any other County's panel. The population says otherwise.

Put it this way, NO Donegal player has ever matched that number of provincial titles. And I would say you would have to go back some time (should one exist) within Ulster to find a player that has as many provincial medals.

You can only beat the teams put in front of you.

Maths and basic logic isn't your strong point.

8/9 or whatever it is Dublin Leinster titles hasn't done the much good, 1 All Ireland to show for it. Donegal have the exact same and a Ulster medal is slightly harder earned.

3 different Ulster teams won AI medals over the last 11 years, Down got to a final, Derry and Fermanagh Semi Finals, Monaghan won a Ulster championship and gave Kerry a good go a few years ago, even Antrim did in a qualifier.

A Leinster procession medal just can't compare, especially when it converts to 1 AI medal.

blowitupref

Kerry v Cavan - Can Cavan do what Down did in 2010? it's possible but i think as shown v London the extra time win v Derry has take a lot out of Cavan. Kerry by 5

Monaghan v Tyrone - Monaghan have probably exceeded expectations however they have nothing to fear against Tyrone after 3 less than impressive performances however i think Tyrone will sneak another win. Tyrone by 2

Dublin v Cork - Dublin have some problems at the back and Cork have the forwards to exploit it however i think the young Dubs under Jim Gavin have a point to prove and will lay down a marker in this game - Dublin by 6

Mayo v Donegal - in other years the dubs v Cork would be the tie of the round however not this year. Mayo favourites against the All Ireland champions it's a round earlier than expected but this game will remain one hell of a battle. I think it going to be one of those what if matches for Mayo and I think Donegal will sneak it by one point.

Amprodude

We are in for some hammering on Saturday by the Dubs. It will be no harm for CC and Cork football at the moment.That performance against Galway was classic Junior B stuff. I actually dont mind losing to the Dubs. It would be far worse meeting Kerry in the Semis and getting whipped by them out of Croke Park and it would happen guaranteed. Dublin would give Kerry a game for certain. Just hope Cork put up a good performance on Saturday and then CC goes after we are beaten. We need change here badly.

klairondavis

Nialler15 wrote: »

Ah give over about Ciaran Whelan. He was the coward I think Mc Geeney was on about. The only time Whelan would hit you was when you couldnt see him coming. He was the king of the cheapshots. The same fella said if he was from kerry he would have 5 or 6 All Irelands. If he was from Kerry he wouldnt have made the county panel.

You're well wide of the mark there.

Stoner

Amprodude wrote: »

We are in for some hammering on Saturday by the Dubs. It will be no harm for CC and Cork football at the moment.That performance against Galway was classic Junior B stuff. I actually dont mind losing to the Dubs. It would be far worse meeting Kerry in the Semis and getting whipped by them out of Croke Park and it would happen guaranteed. Dublin would give Kerry a game for certain. Just hope Cork put up a good performance on Saturday and then CC goes after we are beaten. We need change here badly.

I'm not commenting on anyone's position, but I do see your point .. Camps in 2010 with arguably the best squad in the country, favourites in 2012, Cork should still be top three but they are not.
But anything can happen next week

davegrohl48

Amprodude wrote: »

We are in for some hammering on Saturday by the Dubs. It will be no harm for CC and Cork football at the moment.That performance against Galway was classic Junior B stuff. I actually dont mind losing to the Dubs. It would be far worse meeting Kerry in the Semis and getting whipped by them out of Croke Park and it would happen guaranteed. Dublin would give Kerry a game for certain. Just hope Cork put up a good performance on Saturday and then CC goes after we are beaten. We need change here badly.

Cork need to add into the mix Kelly n Kerrigan. Canty and Alan OConnor will struggle big time with Dublin Backs n midfield does not look up to it