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Does anyone feel insulted by the abortion proposals?

lazygal

I don't know where to post. Its a bit of a ranting and raving post but I can't put it there. I feel so, so, so belittled as a woman by the suggestion that a woman seeking abortion on grounds of suicide would face some sort of tribunal of inquiry. The fact it was even bandied about as a proposal at all annoys me. I'm pregnant right now and I feel like my husband and daughter will be put in a position where they might have to face life without me, because even if my health is in serious danger right now, unless I might die I won't receive treatment.

I know this is a rambling, incoherent mess of a post but I'm just so angry and upset and insulted by the current bandying about of the difficulties the state wants women to face in the abortion debate.

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Morag

Abortion rights have to be a doorstep question for the next elections.
You have to email your TDs and let them know what your stance is and ask all the candidates who do run their stance is.

jaja321

Morag wrote: »

Abortion rights have to be a doorstep question for the next elections.
You have to email your TDs and let them know what your stance is and ask all the candidates who do run their stance is.

Absolutely. Believe you me I will be raising this at election time and I will continue to write to TDs as I have been doing.

I cannot wait until Lucinda Creighton comes to my door looking for a vote.

iwantmydinner

kylith wrote: »

The whole system is in dire need of someone to walk in and ask them if they're all fúcking insane.

SO MUCH THIS

IvyTheTerrible

Praveen Halappanavar is on the John Murray show with Miriam O'Callaghan this morning (on Radio 1) and he is saying that he has received hate mail from anti-abortion campaigners. Just disgusting. :mad:

tatabubbly

I hate that this debate centers on suicide, yes it's an important part of the arguement but there are many other things that need to be debated.. Like foetal abnormalities, womans health etc.. I hate that suicide is prolifes trump card, pulling it out like its what inflicts every woman that wants an abortion and the attitude of "sher it'll be grand, get her a bitta counselling'

They never seem to think of the labour, the crying, the coelicy baby that you could have which might be enough to push you off the edge..

FouxDaFaFa

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Praveen Halappanavar is on the John Murray show with Miriam O'Callaghan this morning (on Radio 1) and he is saying that he has received hate mail from anti-abortion campaigners. Just disgusting. :mad:

I understand why some people are pro-life. As in, I can follow their thought process even if I don't agree with them denying everyone else a choice.

I can not understand how anyone in their right mind would think to themselves "do you know what would be a great idea? Sending a widower abusive letters. That will further my cause".

Jesus Christ.

The Black Oil

Disgusting, but remember, only the pro-choice side can be accused of exploiting the case...backed up by the pro-abortion media...

um7y1h83ge06nx

Sick scum!! :mad:

So f**king mad. The same pricks probably consider themselves pillars of society and of high moral standing.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/praveen-i-got-hate-mail-and-was-told-to-leave-ireland-29394935.html

smiley_face400

George Carlin said it best.

Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ****ed.

refused a request for a termination because the foetal heartbeat was still present. She was told a termination was not possible in such circumstances, and that it was “a Catholic thing”.

It shouldn't be a ****ing Catholic Thing!!! It should be a for the good of the patient thing. Laws shouldn't be written for the good of a single religion, they should be written for the good of the people as a whole regardless of belief or lack thereof!! Argh!!!:mad:

sunshine and showers

kylith wrote: »

The whole system is in dire need of someone to walk in and ask them if they're all fúcking insane.

I was in Leinster House yesterday for a tour with some Americans. The temptation to hide until the debate on that bill started, then walk in and look at them in disbelief and say this was almost overwhelming.

Macha

The Black Oil wrote: »

Disgusting, but remember, only the pro-choice side can be accused of exploiting the case...backed up by the pro-abortion media...

What?

The Black Oil

Sarcasm.

Macha

Sorry, have turned my radar back on.

I can understand why the pro-life demand today was for a referendum. They have access to resources far beyond anything the pro-choicers do and they know they would win a referendum. Small problem is we've already had two..

sunshine and showers

Macha wrote: »

Sorry, have turned my radar back on.

I can understand why the pro-life demand today was for a referendum. They have access to resources far beyond anything the pro-choicers do and they know they would win a referendum. Small problem is we've already had two..

I really doubt this.

Macha

sunshine and showers wrote: »

I really doubt this.

Sorry meant to write could win a referendum, whereas with the legislation, they have zero space.

gcgirl

Macha wrote: »

Sorry, have turned my radar back on.

I can understand why the pro-life demand today was for a referendum. They have access to resources far beyond anything the pro-choicers do and they know they would win a referendum. Small problem is we've already had two..

In 1992 we were still somewhat under the spell of the church 2002 after the can of worms was spilled about the Catholic church I think in 2013 we would have still have a majority voting in favour of the suicide clause

wonderfulname

My local paper is running full page YD advertisements, foetus and all, I think it's unethical tbh, would I be correct to complain or is it just my own bias kicking in?

Das Kitty

wonderfulname wrote: »

My local paper is running full page YD advertisements, foetus and all, I think it's unethical tbh, would I be correct to complain or is it just my own bias kicking in?

They can print what they like, and you have to right to complain too.:)

FouxDaFaFa

wonderfulname wrote: »

My local paper is running full page YD advertisements, foetus and all, I think it's unethical tbh, would I be correct to complain or is it just my own bias kicking in?

It's probably a matter of "they've paid and the paper isn't directly endorsing it" so there's not much to be done but if I ran a newspaper I would like to hear about it if people found any of the ads being run distasteful or misleading.

I went to an anniversary mass for a family member last night in a parish that's part of Enda Kenny's constituency. There were posters everywhere. I didn't have a camera to hand but they were strange ones, with a foetus against a red background and a tear running down the foetus' cheek.

It was topped off by the priest saying in his sermon:
"Now, I don't want to get involved in any politics but I think it's a great pity that we have lost track of our faith, we need to ensure that the sanctity of all life is equally respected". (Paraphrased but not by much).

I thought it was so incredibly inappropriate that this priest would push a political agenda at a mass and insinuate that if you support this bill you are somehow betraying your faith, that you're not being a diligent enough catholic.

I was fuming. All I could think was "this guy who will never be faced with a preganancy of any kind, not to mind an unexpected one, is cool with me being raped and then being forced to carry my rapist's baby to term, or having to carry a foetus that will not survive to term".

Gongoozler

The majority of people who are anti choice are blindly so, and because of their faith. The problem is the state has been influenced for too long by the church. Secularism is needed now more than ever.

lilmissprincess

So, someone seems to have edited some things..
http://www.youthdefence.ie/&#8206

iwantmydinner

lilmissprincess wrote: »

So, someone seems to have edited some things..
http://www.youthdefence.ie/‎

Awesome

goose2005

Macha wrote: »

Sorry meant to write could win a referendum, whereas with the legislation, they have zero space.

I really don't think they could - they've already lost 2, and their support seems to consist of a few vocal people and foreign money.

goose2005

MaxWig wrote: »

"a foetus which resembles no life at all" ????

At least let's keep it reasonably scientific, just for perspective.

A foetus is life, no matter what way you look at it.

Simply not up for debate.

True, it's an organism, it performs the usual organic functions, but is it really a human being if it lacks even the most basic neural function?

YumCha

Fair play to Sarah Malone for taking apart Sarah de Nordwall of Catholic Voices on the BBC... Can't believe she actually said that Irish people voted against it!

Millicent

Is that an Englishwoman (Sarah de Nordwall) telling us what Irishwomen want?

If so, the sheer arrogance of it is astounding.

YumCha

Oh god do not turn on Vincent Browne now if you want to be outraged...

Or follow the Irish Times live blog of the debate in the Dail...

lilmissprincess

Didn't think it was possible but I'm gaining new respect for Alan Shatter, he's making quite the speech.

lilmissprincess

This is disgusting behaviour. Ashamed to say he supposedly represents my area at home.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/the-air-froze-in-the-chamber-walsh-s-input-was-disgusting-1.1465774

lazygal

Not a bit surprised at Jim Walsh, he's the worst type of Catholic nut job.