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HMV going into administration

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If you have a gift voucher from the troubled music store chain - REDEEM IT ASAP.

According to Sky News.

Directors of HMV are this evening locked in talks about the retailer’s future amid growing concern that it could become the latest big-name high street chain to succumb to the flat-lining British economy.

http://news.sky.com/story/1038002/hmv-board-in-crisis-talks-over-chains-future

Sad news.

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mathie

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

I haven't been into a store in years. Why? Because all the movies/music I want are available online (legally) for a fraction of the cost. iTunes. Netflix and Spotify are all I need really.

iTunes is a fraction of the cost of a CD in HMV?
I think not.

Netflix is great if you're into outdated and sparse content.

Spotify is gay.

C14N

Mr.S wrote: »

No, Netflix or iTunes.

Netflix is what, 7euro a month? for the price of ~1 dvd you can stream thousands of titles. Granted its not the newest releases, but iTunes can cover that!

Physical DVD / Bluray sales are going to be gone in ~5-10years, everything will move to On Demand / Streaming eventually.

I can stream thousands of titles that I don't actually want. Netflix still have a LOT of catching up to do with their films. If you're going with "iTunes can cover that" now you're back to square one, just paying iTunes instead of HMV (and usually paying them more if you want to keep it).

Bear in mind that this only works with sufficient internet speeds which a lot of people don't have.

ilovesleep wrote: »

As for online buying If I'm going to be buying a dvd online - I might as well buy some dirty, filthy depraved porn instead of a dvd from amazon

What? How has nobody else picked up on this bizarre statement? What are you talking about?

murpho999 wrote: »

I am amazed at the amount of people who have computers and internet but still buy CD's and DVD's?

On Sky News last week they covered the same item and people were saying 'Oh I prefer to have the physical device' or what if your hard disc gets damaged or what if you delete by accident.

Well apart from undelete, everything can be backed up in the cloud and retrieved anytime.

Also the likes of iTunes, your purchases are their always and can be retrieved at any time. So you can never lose anything.
Cheaper prices, good quality and instant delivery too. What more could you want?

The idea of having loads of space taken up by discs and the inability to play playlists that suit your own taste rather than being forced to listen to one disc at a time is awful to me now.

Embrace it people it's a great world once you go digital and it's not going to be stopped.

All good and well if you want to pay for excessive cloud storage. I have 160GB of music, do you have any idea how long that would take me to back up to the cloud? Literally weeks of non-stop uploading. Paying for 160GB from Google or Dropbox isn't exactly cheap either.

iTunes is ALWAYS more expensive than what I pay for CDs with inferior audio quality (iTunes likes to tout their lossy 256kbps as if it's the best thing going) and comes in AAC which I can't even play on all my devices. Can't listen to it in the car either. I would much rather pay less for full quality and additional flexibility.

Who is forcing you to not make playlists and listen one disc at a time? Do you not realise that you can actually rip CDs to your computer?

iTunes isn't an option at all to replace my Blu-rays. No 1080p, no lossless surround sound, horrendous prices, needs high speed internet, no thanks.

The world will most likely some use only downloaded content but we're not there yet and at the moment there are serious drawbacks to trying to go this route only.

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Allyall wrote: »

No Sympathy for HMV.. Of course i have Sympathy for the staff, and I hope they get taken over by someone else..

The lack of supervision was at a birthday party, where he had brought the games to play (With permission). And she did get an earful. But nobody went mad on her.
There was a fair bit of shock when his mother found out he was in the Shopping mall with the Birthday child, without an adult.

I don't understand what happened here. They just took his game?

Was he buying it? Was he trading in? Was he just wandering around with a game in his hand and they stole it? Why did an 11 year old have seven games with gratuitous sexual content? Why was he there for a birthday party? What was he doing bringing games to a shopping mall to play? I really honestly have no idea what's happened here.

Timothy Bryce

HMV were incredibly cocky during the 2000's, sometimes charging €28 for an album. They fleeced customers for years and must have made a small fortune.

The writing was on the wall for years now and they refused to evolve.

I haven't been into a store in years. Why? Because all the movies/music I want are available online (legally) for a fraction of the cost. iTunes. Netflix and Spotify are all I need really.

I feel sorry for the employees, but for anyone with their finger on the pulse, it was always going to end like this.

super_furry

Hogzy wrote: »

If HMV go then Amazon are going to have a near monopoly. Play.com is being shut down and I could see thehut group having to change tack as they are based in the Channel Islands and will be affected by the new UK VAT legislation being brought in.

Amazon wont be such a good e-tailer if they have a monopoly.

Zavvi.com are much cheaper and aren't going anywhere.

blackwhite

chasm wrote: »

Never said they were breaking any law, the point i was trying to make was , if i buy a cd or a dvd box set and it's damaged/faulty in some way i can bring it back to the retailer as my contract is with them but i no longer have this consumer right with HMV, even though the company is still trading.

In legal terms, the company that you previously dealt with is not still trading. The administrator is trading using the assets of the former company to try and either 1) maintain a business that can be sold to new investors and start again or 2) recoup as much cash as possible for the creditors of the failed company (which includes voucher-holders).

LoonyLovegood

I'm not going to miss HMV too much, they rarely have CDs I like, although their DVD offers were good. Went in there before Christmas to get stuff for my sister, got all of her CDs, went to pick up one for myself (The Band Perry), and it was €20. They do decent prices for mainstream products, but if you don't want something in the pop/rock range there, you're paying through the nose for it.

CruelCoin

OMG! :eek:

Did my pirating lead to this?

Ah-Bloo-Bloo-Waaah.

Hogzy

chasm wrote: »

Never said they were breaking any law, the point i was trying to make was , if i buy a cd or a dvd box set and it's damaged/faulty in some way i can bring it back to the retailer as my contract is with them but i no longer have this consumer right with HMV, even though the company is still trading.

You can still return it to the manufacturer though.

RossyG

1ZRed wrote: »

YES!!! Me and my cousin have been waiting for this for years once whispers of HMV's decline started.

Can't wait to raid the clear out sales!

Don't forget to kick the staff in the teeth on the way out.

chasm

Hogzy wrote: »

Why don't you go look up your consumer rights specifically in relation to administration. HMV is not breaking any law in doing this. This is how business works. If there is a problem with the product you just bought then contact the manufacturer

Never said they were breaking any law, the point i was trying to make was , if i buy a cd or a dvd box set and it's damaged/faulty in some way i can bring it back to the retailer as my contract is with them but i no longer have this consumer right with HMV, even though the company is still trading.

Hogzy

If HMV go then Amazon are going to have a near monopoly. Play.com is being shut down and I could see thehut group having to change tack as they are based in the Channel Islands and will be affected by the new UK VAT legislation being brought in.

Amazon wont be such a good e-tailer if they have a monopoly.

scdublin

I'm one of those weirdos who still loves buying the actual CD of my fav artists when it comes out....I download a small bit on ITunes but I'll miss it if it closes

Mushy

melekalikimaka wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Inspiring contribution! Why shouldnt the parents know? I went to buy a tape for my brother years ago, had the parental advisory sticker on it, so parents stopped me buying it. Blame goes both ways!

Now I get to have fun in bringing back headphones I bought this morning. No sound in right ear. Could take a while.

efb

Here's a clue for all the angry people- DON'T BUY STORE VOUCHERS- they are awful and leave consumers in a weak position- I got a voucher for my birthday I used it the next day- the current climate means nothing is safe.

And shops will continue to sell vouchers because its free credit for them. Vouchers are usually spent 1 month after receipt - that's 30+ days free credit.
caveat emptor

ilovesleep

Deleted User wrote: »

You already said you got a voucher for a new game and an apology, so what more did you want?

For her son to be wrapped in cotten wool no doubt. Or perhaps one of those toddlers leads to prevent her son from rambling.

There's no doubt the 18s game shouldn't have been sold to an 11 year old but where was she, the mother to allow her child to ramble into town. If she thinks he's so vunerable to an 18s game, he shouldn't be allowed out on his own at 11.

riclad

IT seems this is the future trend, many book shops, music shops will close ,they cant compete with amazon ,online stores.They are paying high ,rent rates,in city centre locations.
I,d go to hmv, see xbox360, games for sale there, 40 or 50 euro,
meanwhile same games preowned are 20 euro or 30 , in game.
How can you compete with online,companys ,who pay no rates,
and have sales, special offers ,eg buy this game,get ten euro off the next game you buy.

[Deleted User]

Allyall wrote: »

The games back, no voucher. They were worth more than the voucher.

The fact that you say that it took 2 less than a month old releases and 5 recent enough releases to get just one game makes your story a little hard to believe. HMV have for a long time offered the best trade in prices, so its hard to believe that it took so many games just to get one.

A few months back I got ovdr 60 euro for three games which were a good few months old. GameStop offered 17 for the same three games which is why had you told the same story about GameStop I'd find it much more believable.

super_furry

mathie wrote: »

Yeh? Well, you're that annoying bastard of a piece of meat that gets stuck between your teeth and does your head in for the rest of the fúcking day trying to get it out when you haven't got a toothpick!

How come no restaurants leave out toothpicks any more? Really annoying that.

Allyall

Deleted User wrote: »

You already said you got a voucher for a new game and an apology, so what more did you want?

The games back, no voucher. They were worth more than the voucher.

[Deleted User]

Allyall wrote: »

You can have all the serious doubts you want. I was on the phone to HMV UK for over an hour and then a call back, where she had a record of the transaction. She said nothing could be done, She did however apologise that the game was handed to him.

Already replied to that
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82700144&postcount=273

You already said you got a voucher for a new game and an apology, so what more did you want?

krudler

Allyall wrote: »

No Sympathy for HMV.. Of course i have Sympathy for the staff, and I hope they get taken over by someone else..

I didn't condemn them to unemployment.

The lack of supervision was at a birthday party, where he had brought the games to play (With permission). And she did get an earful. But nobody went mad on her.
There was a fair bit of shock when his mother found out he was in the Shopping mall with the Birthday child, without an adult.

EDIT.
Also worth pointing out, Some of the staff obviously weren't capable of working there..

..what? that doesnt make sense. I used to work for hmv and the age ratings were drilled into staff, so either it was an oversight and the staff member didnt notice the rating, or they were a newbie, or a dozen other reasons. human error does happen.

Allyall

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

You do know that those ratings on games in Ireland have no legal status, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Film_Classification_Office#Video_games
So yeah as the other posters say very valid reason for wishing job losses on so many.

Deleted User wrote: »

So the parents of an 11 year old allow him/her to take 11 of his games from home and head unsupervised into a HMV where he trades his games in its the stores fault. Sorry but that to me seems like a case of bad parenting.

I also have serious doubts about your story. He traded in two games less than a month old and a further 5 in order to get just one game. Something sounds off as HMV offer the best trade in prices around and are especially good with recent releases. Two titles less than a month old should more than cover the cost of a new release.

You can have all the serious doubts you want. I was on the phone to HMV UK for over an hour and then a call back, where she had a record of the transaction. She said nothing could be done, She did however apologise that the game was handed to him.

Already replied to that
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82700144&postcount=273

melekalikimaka

Mushy wrote: »

The parents should know what game their kid was getting, would have saved a lot of bother.

:rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

melekalikimaka wrote: »

the shop are responsible for what they sell not the kids parents

Unless it had a rating from the BBFC then there is nothing illegal or wrong with the store selling any title to an 11 year old.

murpho999

1865 wrote: »

Apologies for going off topic but I can't agree with you Murpho.

CDs and DVDs don't take up that much space and I am much happier having a physical copy of something rather than a "licence" for a digital download backed up to god knows where.

I know that its old fashioned but I'll still have my music when others have dead URLs.

Come on a large collection will take up a lot of space.

No discs at all take up even less, they never get lost and wrong CD's don't end up in the wrong cover.

"Licences" are not backed up to "God Knows where" but a very large companies like Apple or Dropbox.

Also, I have the it backed up on an external hard drive too.

I think you're just making up the dead urls or talking about people who sourced their entertainment illegally.

Aslo, CD's can get damaged,what do you do then? (DOn't say that never happens!)

mathie

I just got back from HMV where I tried to use my fifty euro voucher.
They wouldn't accept it.

So I slammed my hands down (in full view of everyone) and said "Yano somethin, I can't stand you, half the people in here laugh at your stupidity and not because you're funny, they're laughing AT you and not WITH you. Wanna know what you are? You know when you've gone out for dinner and had a nice juicy steak or that delicious chicken and ham? Yeh? Well, you're that annoying bastard of a piece of meat that gets stuck between your teeth and does your head in for the rest of the fúcking day trying to get it out when you haven't got a toothpick! Now, you keep pissing me off and I swear I'll get a toothpick, so stop annoying me! Are we clear?"

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055821900

[Deleted User]

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Good Riddance to them. Although they're not gone yet..

So the parents of an 11 year old allow him/her to take 11 of his games from home and head unsupervised into a HMV where he trades his games in its the stores fault. Sorry but that to me seems like a case of bad parenting.

I also have serious doubts about your story. He traded in two games less than a month old and a further 5 in order to get just one game. Something sounds off as HMV offer the best trade in prices around and are especially good with recent releases. Two titles less than a month old should more than cover the cost of a new release.

[Deleted User]

Allyall wrote: »

No sympathy after they took 7 games off my 11 year old nephew (at the time) for an over 18's game, that had massive amounts of sexual content.

Apart from the stupidity of the manager in the UK after a complaint was made, When the game was brought back, none of the 7 games were handed back (that should never have been taken), and were replaced with a voucher for any one game.

Two of the games he changed were less than a month old. some of the others were pretty new too.

Good Riddance to them. Although they're not gone yet..

You do know that those ratings on games in Ireland have no legal status, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Film_Classification_Office#Video_games
So yeah as the other posters say very valid reason for wishing job losses on so many.

Mushy

melekalikimaka wrote: »

the shop are responsible for what they sell not the kids parents

The parents should know what game their kid was getting, would have saved a lot of bother. Not that the staff member should have sold it either.

Allyall

VinLieger wrote: »

Very reasonable argument there for condemning 300 people to unemployment.... love how you only blame the store and not the parents lack of supervision of the 11 year old

No Sympathy for HMV.. Of course i have Sympathy for the staff, and I hope they get taken over by someone else..

I didn't condemn them to unemployment.

The lack of supervision was at a birthday party, where he had brought the games to play (With permission). And she did get an earful. But nobody went mad on her.
There was a fair bit of shock when his mother found out he was in the Shopping mall with the Birthday child, without an adult.

EDIT.
Also worth pointing out, Some of the staff obviously weren't capable of working there..