pablomakaveli wrote: » I dont expect any Irishman to wear the poppy if they dont want to. But in Ireland it seems that those that choose to come under a lot of criticism which isnt fair. I never said commemerate the Black and Tans more that if we in Ireland won't commerate them why should the British be expected to commemerate the Mau-Mau?
Feathers wrote: » Exactly, so I'm taking it that you're recognising the partisan nature of the emblem itself. I personally don't publically call people out for wearing one, though I could see how people who've suffered from British Army violence in this country wouldn't be too keen on it. I'd also presume people know in advance that wearing something symbolic of an army that caused a lot of pain in this country will possibly get people's backs up.
Nodin wrote: » ....and you didn't bother to research a bit before spouting off? Bit odd. I presume you have a load of time on your hands. I dont have the same luxury in which to carry out extensive research of the Mau Mau conflict.
You seem to be ignorant of the brutality required to subjugate a large number of people. You also seem to ignore (as do a number of others) the fact that the whole colonial enterprise was in fact criminal from the get go.
Thats a good one. I'd like to see the reaction if somebody tried that line regarding the Germans or Russians.
What makes you think that? Suez was nothing to be proud of, nor was Aden, Uganda, NI, Iraq....why should they receive anything from an Irish person, regardless of how they behaved?
pablomakaveli wrote: » Agreed but a lot of that criticism comes from anti-British bigotry which isnt justified in abusing people wearing a poppy.
cameramonkey wrote: » Leinster ladyboys Bod and Kearney not wearing poppy on BBC but proud Munster man woods all decked out with the imperial red.
pablomakaveli wrote: » ............ Because that Irish person may have a relative who was killed or injured in those conflicts.
Nodin wrote: » ...if they can square that with their conscience, thats their business. I won't be joining them.
Nodin wrote: » I'm asking that you point out to those saying its ok to buy the poppy because of ww1 and WWII that those people are more than likely dead. Thats what I'm referring to with 'consistency'. They are, logically, far more likely to be dead than those who served in Aden, Iraq or Cyprus.
Rascasse wrote: » Were any lowly soldiers tried after WWII? I know there weren't at Nuremberg, if that's what you are alluding to.
Lelantos wrote: » Keith Woods grand uncle died in WW1
ejmaztec wrote: » If you don't agree with what other posters say, it's not my job to question them.".
GRMA wrote: » Fair play to young McClean deciding not to wear the poppy,of course this is being portrayed as "refusing" to do it... gonna be eaten by the media. But as a derry man he knows all about the British Army.
cameramonkey wrote: » So did mine, I still would not wear one. Does he wear one around Limerick or Clare or where ever he is from or just when he is on the BBC?
Rascasse wrote: » Err. Is there any difference in deciding and refusing? Its a Premier League fundraiser that the shirts have the poppy and are then auctioned. He doesn't want the poppy on his, so he's given one without. And I doubt he will be 'eaten' by the media. If, and its a big if, players refusing to wear poppy shirts makes the media will be if the Argentinians that play for City tomorrow do the same. That may be enough to get a mention in the Express or Star. A mediocre player for a mediocre team won't garner any attention in isolation.
Rascasse wrote: » Ah the Daily Mail. Just when you think "no they wouldn't" they do. Unbelievable..
Rascasse wrote: » I wonder will this be in print in the UK edition and have the Irish one praising him.
stoneill wrote: » Plenty of reasons why Irish people should wear a poppy. Not one reason why not.
end of the road wrote: » one not wishing to is a perfectly valid reason
billybudd wrote: » Give examples please?
Tommy Dillon wrote: » I F**king hate watching tv this time of year with that sh1t forced down your throat. No matter where you look they have the poppy. Cant even watch a football match without seeing it. I personally think its a disgrace that they are forced to wear one and if you refuse you get abuse ie James McClean. If you think about it why would any Irish person want to support this appeal? Ok, many the Irish person died in the WWs but can we remember our own way not the pushy British way. It turns my stomach
getzls wrote: » An example of Irelands shame? You really don't need to ask do you? Staying neutral in WW11 Irelands shame.
Nodin wrote: » The fact is that theres no way to differentiate between those who are and aren't when buying a poppy. That, combined with the large number of brutal colonial regimes they were involved in, means that anyone supporting the poppy appeal runs a great chance of their funds aiding those involved with those regimes.
Fratton Fred wrote: » Errr, maybe you should stop watching British tv and British football then.[/QUOTE Or maybe you should take into consideration that not everyone in the world supports your murdering scumbag army.it must be something in your DNA that makes you think you should force yourselves/opinions/customs on everyone else. The world would have been a better place if it wasnt for your armies. i really dont know why people would support them. Im baffled
Nodin wrote: » No, but its a bit odd you don't apply the same standard to others posts as you do to mine.
