eviltwin wrote: » So seeing there are a good few pro-life voices here lets get back to the OP's point. How many of the other pro-life posters think post abortion counselling should be done away with?
Actor wrote: » Did you ever ask yourself why these posters are so effective? It's pushing certain buttons that appeals to any right-minded person with a conscience. It's common sense that abortion is wrong as abortion goes against our basic natural instincts.
Actor wrote: » You'll have to explain yourself better than that. Make a reasoned argument for once.
Irishchick wrote: » yeah sorry just edited my last post.
Actor wrote: » Why would post-abortion counselling be done away with? Many women's lives are ruined by abortion. Many are forced into abortions by aggressive, pushy fathers who don't want to take responsibility.
eviltwin wrote: » How many of the other pro-life posters think post abortion counselling should be done away with?
humanji wrote: » As I said, get your facts from real sources and you'll have something verifiable and trustworthy to back your arguments.
Irishchick wrote: » I have. Read an medical text book and you will see the same views that are on that site. That's why I wrote it, because it is fact.
humanji wrote: » It's propaganda. I'ts nothing to do with facts or honesty. It's a trick. A cheat. And the fact that Youth Defence have to do this means that their arguments don't stand up on their own.
humanji wrote: » I've made plenty of reasoned arguments. Have a read over the thread instead of trying to push your agenda.
humanji wrote: » So it should read "In our opinion..." Hardly honest to represent that as a certain fact, is it? Youth defence cannot be trusted. As I said, get your facts from real sources and you'll have something verifiable and trustworthy to back your arguments.
humanji wrote: » And go back to my original point, people don't trust Youth Defence, so if you can get your facts from elsewhere you stand a chance of people paying attention to you. It doesn't matter that they might occasionally tell the truth. They, as a whole, cannot be completely trusted and therefore it's only logical that you use a verifiable source.
Irishchick wrote: » Abortion is never medically necessary and to say it is is just a down right lie! ......
humanji wrote: » That's what the thread is about. The OP wants these people to pay for counselling themselves, instead of being paid by the state.
Nodin wrote: » The courts disagree.
Actor wrote: » Sigh. I can't wait to hear your interpretation of this fantasy court rulilng.
Nodin wrote: » O its not mine.http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-twenty-years-after-the-x-case-it%E2%80%99s-time-for-action-on-abortion-347882-Feb2012/
Actor wrote: » You talk about "propaganda", yet you've failed to demonstrate how or why[/] you think it's propaganda.
No you haven't. What you have done is made numerous assertions. Why don't you go and put forward a reasoned argument?
It wasn't represented as fact. That's your comprehension abilities acting up again. I've not much time for YD myself, but they do represent a far right wing of the pro-life movement. It's often very convenient to have a far-right so that the middle-right can get to work by offloading the hysterics in the direction of YD.
Irishchick wrote: » http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/flu/A-Z/E/Ectopic-pregnancy/Treating-ectopic-pregnancy.htmlhttp://ectopicireland.ie/medical-info/ and people are still being scared into believing that they wont be treated.
Actor wrote: » It's a stupid premise. People who make mistakes should not be denied basic healthcare. In America (and elsewhere), prisoners (even child molesters) receive much better medical treatment than if they were on the outside.
humanji wrote: » On this we fully agree. It's utter madness. Whether people are for or against abortion, the one thing that can only be denied by the truly heartless is that it is a very difficult thing to go through and can't be taken lightly.
Actor wrote: » Ah yes, thejournal.ie. A liberal outlook on all things abortion-related. ..........
Actor wrote: » Did you ever ask yourself why women need post-abortion counselling?
humanji wrote: » You're either being deliberately obtuse or simply don't understand waht propaganda is. I have, many times. So how long have you been with Youth Defence?
eviltwin wrote: » Tell us why then. I've had it myself. Why don't you tell me what I was feeling. It should be interesting
jill_valentine wrote: » Have you ever asked any women anything about the subject? We have posters here who have actually had an abortion themselves, but curiously few of the chaps hollering on their behalf ever seem to consider them relevant. Which is about par for the course, really.
Actor wrote: » So you've had an abortion then? No regrets? How would I know what you were feeling? In the general sense though, any woman with a heart would feel strange if they underwent an abortion. It goes against all natural instincts. It's no wonder that post-abortion counselling is in such demand.
Actor wrote: » Are they looking for approbation or something? It's as if "Hey! Look at me! I've had an abortion" is something to be proud of.
Actor wrote: » You forgot about the intent part. The intent with ectopic pregnancies in Ireland is to save both lives if possible. The intent of "abortion" is to kill unborn life for the benefit of the mother's individual circumstances.
The baby cannot be saved in an ectopic pregnancy. However, if the ectopic pregnancy is diagnosed before your fallopian tube ruptures, the pregnancy can be safely ended using medication or surgery. Your specialist, or gynaecologist, will be able to advise you about the benefits and risks of each option.
