Skopzz wrote: » All the socialists on here should consider this: The country is living beyond its means and cannot afford to keep paying for people. The grants are just one thing that will be cut - they are also cutting social welfare, child benefit and so on. Lecturers salaries should be cut too.
The Simpsons wrote: Homer Simpson: Good practice, kids. Now it's time for the easiest part of any coach's job. The cuts. Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. Wendell is cut. Rudy is cut. Janey, you're gone. Steven, I like your hustle [Steven smiles] Homer Simpson: . That's why it was so hard to cut you [Steven's smile drops] Homer Simpson: . Congratulations, the rest of you made the team! [random sighs of relief] Homer Simpson: Except you, you and you.
bildo wrote: » Please provide a historical example of a successful government imposed austerity program that didn't also involve going to war.
Skopzz wrote: » The grants are generous compared to other countries.
challengemaster wrote: » Hold your horses there. The grant doesn't even cover the cost of accomodation for the year, nor were they readily inflated half as much as child benefits or social welfare during the boom. You keep babbling on about things being cut, what about the crazy salaries of people working in RTÉ and positions in government? In 2008 Pat kenny was earning €950k a year, and that's one person. Yes that has dropped since, but that's still crazy.http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0610/1224298692429.html Only two weeks ago then there was this:http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0925/aib.html
Regardless, the level of financial support given, even when it's the maximum charge of e2k for an academic year, to Irish third level students is very generous in comparison to pretty much every other country.
Skopzz wrote: » I think he/she was comparing our fees to the USA and Britain.
Skopzz wrote: » Why aren't people protesting against this menace?
challengemaster wrote: » Probably because he's dead.
apoch632 wrote: » Fine so Scotland who don't charge fees for EU students. And who consistently outperform Ireland in the rankings of Universitieshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-15195718
Students from England, Wales and Northern Ireland are currently charged between £1,820 and £2,895 per year to study for a Scottish university degree – a sum that could increase to up to £9,000 from next year.
Representatives of Scotland's colleges painted a bleaker picture on the back of funding cuts. Paul Little, principal and chief executive of City of Glasgow College, said: "We will have to make savings of £4.3 million over the next three years. That's on the back of cuts we've just seen where 100 staff left the college in the last year. We'll see potentially in excess of that in the next three years going forward."
Skopzz wrote: » Going to a higher ranked University simply means you get marked harder and come out with a low degree. Going to a British University would obviously imply this and given the history between the two countries, you can expect this as an Irish student.
whadabouchasir wrote: » Hmmm didn't you bring up this exact same point in another thread,I'm beginning to think that you may have some sort of agenda;)
Im shamed that man (*insert species here*) represents the views of the student body
murraykil wrote: » Scotland is a great example! This is due to the fact that Scottish universites can no longer afford the influx of students from other EU states who cannot be charged since Scottish students are not charged.
murraykil wrote: » I'd be more interested in the agenda of the OP who started a thread on a person with what seems to be for the role purpose of thanking those who can come up with any derogatory remark they can on this individual while offering nothing to the discussion as to why he deserves this degradation. His best contribution has been: From the evidence of here his main crime has been to align himself to an un-popular political party, which I thought was still allowed in a democracy and his physical appearance, surely not enough to warrant the abuse which he is receiving here.
apoch632 wrote: » Actually its to prevent an influx from the rest of the UK not the EU and allow Scottish University places for Scottish students
EU students flock to Scottish universities 13/01/2011 A record number of EU students have enrolled at Scotland's universities, up 17 per cent last year new statistics revealed today as Education Secretary Michael Russell highlighted their cost to the taxpayer has risen almost fourfold since the start of the decade. Figures from the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) show that between 2008-09 and 2009-10: The number of Scots starting full-time courses in 2009-10 increased by three per cent - from 38,740 to 40,045 year-on-year The number of EU students increased by 17 per cent, from 13,585 to 15,930. This is an increase of 94 per cent on 2000-01 when 8,195 EU students came to Scotland In contrast the number of EU students attending English institutions increased by only six per cent between 2008-09 and 2009-10 Enrolments from full fee-paying non-EU students increased by five per cent - from 23,960 to 25,075 The number of enrolments from the UK increased by one per cent to 179,905, with an overall increase of six per cent since 2005-06 In total, there were 220,910 enrolments at Scottish HEIs, up three per cent - almost two-thirds of the increase was due to enrolments from overseas students European law means that the Scottish Government is obliged to pay the fees of students living in non-UK EU countries - at a cost of more than £75 million a year in 2009-10 compared to £20 million in 2000-01 when 8,195 EU students came to Scotland. As part of the ongoing debate over the future of higher education, Mr Russell is seeking to end an anomaly that sees students from across Europe receive free education. The Education Secretary said: "Scottish universities have always been cosmopolitan institutions - that is part of their attraction - but we cannot allow them to become a cheap option for students who have to pay to go to university in their home countries. That's why I have made clear our intention to tackle the anomalous situation that forces the Scottish Government to pay on behalf of students from the rest of the EU who choose to study here. "Having already written to EU Commissioner Androulla Vassiliou, I intend to seek a meeting with her to discuss the issue when I visit Brussels next month. The number of EU students has almost doubled in recent years and the total cost has risen almost fourfold. The Scottish taxpayer is now facing a bill of £75 million a year. That is simply not tenable. "These figures are all for the year before it became clear that England would triple the fees students are forced to pay. Building a Smarter Future - our green paper for a sustainable future for higher education in Scotland - makes clear, faced with fees in England increasing up to £9,000, our intention to raise fees for students from the rest of the UK. The need to take this action is underlined by today's figures that show an increase of 12 per cent in the number of entrants from England - three years before the higher fees are introduced there. "That said, I am pleased to see that not only has the number of Scots starting full-time courses increased, overall university enrolments are up three per cent year-on-year. These figures demonstrate once again the high international standing of Scottish higher education. "However, it is crucial that we ensure our universities retain their international competitiveness and continue to attract students on the basis of their academic ability, not because they are perceived as being a cheap option."
PomBear wrote: » Not really, the USI have been wasting our time for a number of years now with Redmond at the helm. Saying they're fighting fees while just going and taking uncontroversial photo opps, all the while boosting their CV and looking for a career or job in politics through it.
murraykil wrote: » Thanks for the input of valid criticism rather than inane personal remarks over his appearance! Fanboy Gitchell is happy with it too!
maygitchell wrote: » Indeed I am Whats your point? That I didnt make a point? Look back to my OP, I was shocked at the dude being listed on the Irish Times list, the man is undeniably and shockingly known to be out for a career out of this position rather than to aid the USI. Which leads me to question if you are a mate of his or not?
murraykil wrote: » Good man, finally you come up with the courage to speak your own mind. Your OP called for a discussion on him being on the Irish Times list. There was little discussion and none by you on the merits of him being on that list. Instead there were mostly personal, derogatory remarks about his appearance etc. which you encouraged, thus making your OP nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to encourage immature personal remarks, rather than discuss his efforts, or lack of effort with regard to his important role. He is not my mate.
maygitchell wrote: » I dont think you are being insulting, rather wanting a lively debate, so I apologise for my hasty behaviour. In all fairness, he has been well discussed before on this forum, and it is obvious he is career minded, now if you want to run for USI president id say you may just do a better job
Raging_Ninja wrote: » because nothing is ever accomplished by talking with the people in government....
constantg wrote: » USI have NEVER achieved ANYTHING by talking to the people in government, out of government, people anywhere!
murraykil wrote: » so maybe student issues, despite carrying on to the new students, lose momentum when the previous body leaves and the new body comes in.
Ficheall wrote: » Maybe "student issues" are largely bs?
Raging_Ninja wrote: » == USI never achieved anything?
