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anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

shtemcguire

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

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C14N

Given the chance to vote, SF would be at the very bottom of the pile based on my current knowledge.

If I was actually voting I would find out more about them but I get the impression that Sinn Féin would like to sever Ireland from the EU and general international connections as much as possible and abandon the Euro and I can't think of many policies that would be worse.

They're also major socialists and whenever I see them on the news shouting about something or other, it really looks like they have no concept of how the real financial world works.

Their still relatively recent ties to the IRA put me off.

I don't like the fact that they are so republican. Generally, I find that people who love their own country too much have less tolerance for outsiders and that might sound unfair but it's how I feel. I'm not saying don't be proud of your country but Sinn Féin take it a bit too far imo.

caseyann

C14N wrote: »

Given the chance to vote, SF would be at the very bottom of the pile based on my current knowledge.

If I was actually voting I would find out more about them but I get the impression that Sinn Féin would like to sever Ireland from the EU and general international connections as much as possible and abandon the Euro and I can't think of many policies that would be worse.

They're also major socialists and whenever I see them on the news shouting about something or other, it really looks like they have no concept of how the real financial world works.

Their still relatively recent ties to the IRA put me off.

I don't like the fact that they are so republican. Generally, I find that people who love their own country too much have less tolerance for outsiders and that might sound unfair but it's how I feel. I'm not saying don't be proud of your country but Sinn Féin take it a bit too far imo.

You must be hiding under a rock then because every other nationality on the planet are more love their own country too much more than Irish.

Capt'n Midnight

caseyann wrote: »

With all due respect in your opinion that is. They all sat back and watched and waited till **** hit fan and then complained,but sat back on their pretty wages and luxury lives until that time came.Sinn Féin didnt and complained long before.

In fairness SF have been complaining about EU / Foreign influences for the last 40 years, it's a bit like saying that a stopped clock will eventually be right

SafeSurfer

caseyann wrote: »

You must be hiding under a rock then because every other nationality on the planet are more love their own country too much more than Irish.

Actually caseyann you are wrong. The Irish come in at number 3 worldwide. for pride in their country. I was going to ask you for a link to back up your statement but whats the point. Here is a link to look at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13577802/ns/us_news-life/

caseyann

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In fairness SF have been complaining about EU / Foreign influences for the last 40 years, it's a bit like saying that a stopped clock will eventually be right

I have been complaining about the same thing,so i agree with them.
Thats not something you can poll,that is something you learn from the people on the ground.And you just go to any country say something and they will tell you whats what with a fist.

Capt'n Midnight

was anyone watching the end of The Eleventh Hour just now ?

fisgon

I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein with a gun to my head.

madmaggie

Wouldn't dream of voting for them, they scare the crap out of me.

sharkie66

Xclusiv Barber wrote: »

your point is well made, as are those of the impish young sharkie66 when his thoughts are on this thread and not on my brain ability (i'll deride myself thats how self deprecation works ta). Listen my cúpla buachaillî óg na hEireann, you never asked me how i was going to vote nor did i say. I never said i was not voting sinn fein nor did i dismiss ALL their policies outright. Many of them are sound, many of them are flawed, or not thought through. No, I simply pointed out how sinn fein will not be in power. I pointed out that it is my humble opinion that they may get 7or8 seats,I also stated elsewhere in this and other threads that i will be voting for what is best for me in my constituency. Consider that i'm still the right side of 40, so not quite as old as yoda. I've turned down the opportunity to move abroad, and moved within ireland, to set up my own business, as i'm staunchly irish, as it happens. I hope to add 5or6 staff. If that works, we'll see whats next. Having 5kids and a wife, taxes, mortgages, child benefit slashed, business grants slashed (i got zero instead of three grand starting out) i once felt exactly the same as you guys. But The world and the experiences you have in it can modify your opinions over time. remember, on the plus side, sinn fein have come a huge huge way in a very short time, its not that long since they had to dub over them with actors voices, now they are on the verge of a parliamentary voice by attaining 7 seats. Personally, When you get to where i am, and you hav family business jobs tax etc to consider, the result is I will be voting for the best men for me and my family. But his party is not necessarily the best to lead nationally. There is the dicotomy. experience teaches me this. But thats me. To each his own. As for my number one vote, well you never asked. Clue. I'm in north kerry. Worked it out? Never assume lads. Theres a saying, assumption is the mother of all 4uck ups. Go neirí an bothar libh

Well said and I understand your situation! Respect Barber! Your approach to this forum lark is indeed refreshing and definitely welcome.

I will be voting for SF because they seem to be the only ones who are really prepared to stand the ground that our forefathers fought for and won back for the people. The political mainstream crowd have grown used to the lean pickings found along the corridors of power and will do anything to protect their own interests. We are mere plebs in their eyes and like so many times in the past the elites will always cast us down as dangerous loonies when all we want is justice, equality and a sharing of the wealth in society. What we are getting today is the socializing of private debt and a total reworking of all the rules dealing with capitalism.

We or I at least cannot stand idly by and watch the blatant raping of our present and future by the unelected mandarins of a dodgy, dodgy Europe who rather than see their European project go belly up oversee the sacrifice of Ireland on the altar of Greed. What galls me is that our political mainstream leaders are all prepared to lie down quietly while the EU/IMF masters are reaching feverishly for the sand laden vaseline!
Beir bua

K_user

I would never vote for SF because they are a bunch of socialist nut jobs that would screw the country up so bad if given half the chance.

The very first thing they would do is tell the IMF to f**k off and burn all financial ties with Europe. I'd give it about a year, maybe a year and a half, before the Irish economy grinds to a halt and we all homeless and are dining out in our local soup kitchen.

sharkie66

K_user wrote: »

I would never vote for SF because they are a bunch of socialist nut jobs that would screw the country up so bad if given half the chance.

The very first thing they would do is tell the IMF to f**k off and burn all financial ties with Europe. I'd give it about a year, maybe a year and a half, before the Irish economy grinds to a halt and we all homeless and are dining out in our local soup kitchen.

You might be queueing for that soup sooner than you think! And Sinn Fein won't the party to blame either! Just in front of you in the queue you'll find some of the FF band of pseudo socialists!:rolleyes:

sharkie66

fisgon wrote: »

I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein with a gun to my head.

Then don't! Leave the gun at home and then vote Sinn Fein number 1.:D

Mario Daniel

Yes, for the first time ever. If it were not for them, we'd still be waiting for the election. They forced the by-election issue to court and then revealed Brian Cowen's (remember him?) golf meetings to have taken place with more than one person/banker.

FF and FG also have a violent past. In the North, SF is so committed to peace that they can't control violent youth as happened some months ago in a riot.
Their basic anti-European positions used to bother me but they have softened a bit and switched from brutal and primitive anti-European attitudes to opposing a certain kind of Europe.
They will be number one on my ticket. Now down to convincing others, not an easy job since some of us still look at SF's violent as being relevant to today's Ireland and the GE.

Xclusiv Barber

sharkie66 wrote: »

Well said and I understand your situation! Respect Barber! Your approach to this forum lark is indeed refreshing ...
I will be voting for SF because they seem to be the only ones who are really prepared to stand the ground that our forefathers fought for and won back for the peoplmere plebs in their eyes and like so many times in the past the elites will always cast us down as dangerous loonies when all we want is justice, equality and a sharing of the wealth in society. What we are getting today is the socializing of private debt and a total reworking of all the rules dealing with capitalism..
political mainstream leaders are all prepared to lie down quietly while the EU/IMF masters are reaching feverishly for the sand laden vaseline!
Beir bua

indeed. Tho part of the reason for the sand laden vaseline being applied is the population of ireland totally 4ucking losing the run of ourselves in the celtic tiger era. We wer new money, new rich, we did do very well out of the old EEC and EU, thanks to charlie haughey, who did empower ireland on its own and within the EU eventually, tho sometimes at terrible costs, to us. Any good he did, and there was some will be lost in the ether of thievery and brown envelopes cos charlie was a robbing b@stard. Anyway once we became, for our size, unbelievably fat b@stard rich, we were waving our hundred EURO (not punt, should hav kept it) notes around and telling EU where to go now we no longer needed them and wiping our @rses wit these euro notes. Yes, The government should be rounded up in a field and chased around with pitchforks and cattleprods horsewhips, then bent over and taken roughly from behind. But part of the problem is, as a nation, we gobbled up all the propagandist sh¡te about there being tons of money (whatcha mean its running out, no no son we'll just throw up another 5000 houses in every tiny village in ireland it'll be grand now off with u and play) and we, an intellectual race, allowed ourselves to swallow this sh¡te. Yes blame bertie and brian and brian etc etc. But we as a people are not blameless in this, so returning to the sand laden vaseline, PAYBACKS A B!TCH!! Every1 get out and vote or u dont hav a right to speak and a lot of young irishmen would have died for nothing and you'd be singing god save the queen and loving it. ps i wont be voting nationally or locally or for a party as such. I'll be voting personally for whats in my and my familys interests. Ill be voting for martin ferris who does huge volumes of work in the community, and if he was independent he'd hav my vote .

K_user

Xclusiv Barber wrote: »

Every1 get out and vote or u dont hav a right to speak and a lot of young irishmen would have died for nothing and you'd be singing god save the queen and loving it.

Which is exactly the sort of talk that explains why SF should never get into power in this country...

sharkie66

K_user wrote: »

Which is exactly the sort of talk that explains why SF should never get into power in this country...

mmmmm, K, could you elaborate further as I am not sure I follow you. Your point is a little unclear.

Do you object to people going out to vote or what?

Pete_Cavan

Mario Daniel wrote: »

They will be number one on my ticket. Now down to convincing others, not an easy job since some of us still look at SF's violent as being relevant to today's Ireland and the GE.

The economy is extremely relevant to the GE and that is why no one should vote for SF. They havent a f*cking clue about economics and their policies prove this.

Madd Finn

RustyNut wrote:

Im voting sf this time round just to p1ss off the ffers.

Irish Fire wrote: »

That's a bloody stupid reason to vote for another party. .

Who cares if it's a stupid reason? An idiot's vote counts as much as the most considered one. I might vote Lucinda Creighton because she's sexy. (Can't think of any other reason why I would TBH) Call me Andy Gray if you like. It's my vote and you can't sack me for it!!!

Actually RustyNut, you are too limited in your reasoning. Voting SF doesn't just piss off FF. It seriously pisses off ALL the major parties at one go. FF, FG, Green, Labour.....you are guaranteed to cause the maximum amount of apoplexy with one simple vote.

It's enough to make me contemplate doing so.

But let me say here and now that I regard SF as the most frightful working class riff raff, whose politics are more Oswald Mosely or Benito Mussolini than James Connolly. (Both of those eminent Fascists started off as Socialists, don't forget) and who probably wipe their bottoms with their bare hands and who, if they were from the "Mainland" would probably be voting BNP. So it would be a tactical vote to express my SUPREME displeasure with the Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dummer mechanics of Irish politics.

Do you still want my vote, Shinners?

SnowY32

Im voting Sinn Fein because they are not subservient!!! Fcuk the IMF:D:D:D:D

danbohan

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The economy is extremely relevant to the GE and that is why no one should vote for SF. They havent a f*cking clue about economics and their policies prove this.

agh yes , if those bastos in sinn fein had known anything about economics we would not have the IMF here now or 450,000 on the dole or 50-100000 people emigrating per year , they have ruined the country with their not having a clue about economics , get them out of government now i say , hold on .............

Pete_Cavan

SnowY32 wrote: »

Im voting Sinn Fein as because they are not subservient!!! Fcuk the IMF:D:D:D:D

OK, so how are we going to pay for our budget deficit for this year and next year and every year after that without the IMF money?

Our expenditure is ~€17bn more than our income and that deficit will increase under SF because they want to reverse the cuts so unless SF can get €20bn every year we will need to get even more money from the IMF if we follow their plan. That is a serious question, no SF supporter here can answer that question.

Tipp Man

danbohan wrote: »

agh yes , if those bastos in sinn fein had known anything about economics we would not have the IMF here now or 450,000 on the dole or 50-100000 people emigrating per year , they have ruined the country with their not having a clue about economics , get them out of government now i say , hold on .............

Things can get a lot worse than they are now you know. It is almost definite that if SF economic policy was implemented then by 2014, at the latest, this country would be economically ruined and people would be economically ruined.

Don't forget nearly everybody in this country enjoys a very high standard of living - even still. That could all change very rapidly with SF in power

K_user

sharkie66 wrote: »

mmmmm, K, could you elaborate further as I am not sure I follow you. Your point is a little unclear.

Do you object to people going out to vote or what?

People should always vote - voting is the only voice we, as a people, have.

Politics is all about opinion and we are all entitled to one. Thats what makes life interesting.

While I found Xclusiv Barber's comment a little offensive, I chose to direct my comment at the party politics, that keeps things clear and simple.

K_user

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

OK, so how are we going to pay for our budget deficit for this year and next year and every year after that without the IMF money?

Our expenditure is ~€17bn more than our income and that deficit will increase under SF because they want to reverse the cuts so unless SF can get €20bn every year we will need to get even more money from the IMF if we follow their plan. That is a serious question, no SF supporter here can answer that question.

Thats because SF can't answer that question.

Its easy to make grand populist statements from afar. Implementing policy is alot harder and the stakes are far greater.

deanswift

shtemcguire wrote: »

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

yup mary lou 4 me

danbohan

Tipp Man wrote: »

Things can get a lot worse than they are now you know. It is almost definite that if SF economic policy was implemented then by 2014, at the latest, this country would be economically ruined and people would be economically ruined.

Don't forget nearly everybody in this country enjoys a very high standard of living - even still. That could all change very rapidly with SF in power

Things can get a lot worse than they are now you know.

it will no matter who is in power , i am no fan of sinn feins economic policy or lack of economic policys , what i do despise is the twisted attacks on sinn fein by the failed partys in this state and let no one believe fine gael / labour are any different than fianna fail in any respect , to think otherwise is the irish people deluding themselves again as they seem to do very well . what ireland needs is a complete new beginning , i see no sigh of that appearing anywhere . anybody that thinks fine gael / labour have the solutions or any aspiration other than feathering their own nests needs to wake up to reality

Pete_Cavan

K_user wrote: »

Thats because SF can't answer that question.

Its easy to make grand populist statements from afar. Implementing policy is alot harder and the stakes are far greater.

I know that but I want to make it clear to all these SF supporters that SF policies will actually make the current situation worse. Obviously no SF supporters here understand their economic plans seeing as they can not answer simple questions on it. It should be obvious that SFs plan can not work but people who support SF are living in a fantasy land.

sharkie66

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

OK, so how are we going to pay for our budget deficit for this year and next year and every year after that without the IMF money?

Our expenditure is ~€17bn more than our income and that deficit will increase under SF because they want to reverse the cuts so unless SF can get €20bn every year we will need to get even more money from the IMF if we follow their plan. That is a serious question, no SF supporter here can answer that question.

Totally untrue assertion there Petey! Proof please......

Have you read through ALL the posts here by what you call SF supporters? Ehhh, I don't think so. Before posting such outrageous assertions please, pretty please READ all the posts!
Ta

Tipp Man

sharkie66 wrote: »

Totally untrue assertion there Petey! Proof please......

Have you read through ALL the posts here by what you call SF supporters? Ehhh, I don't think so. Before posting such outrageous assertions please, pretty please READ all the posts!
Ta

Tell you what why don't you answer the question, how are SF going to fund the running of this country??

NotorietyH

sharkie66 wrote: »

Totally untrue assertion there Petey! Proof please......

Have you read through ALL the posts here by what you call SF supporters? Ehhh, I don't think so. Before posting such outrageous assertions please, pretty please READ all the posts!
Ta

Isn't in Sinn Fein policy to reverse the cuts in the last budget and replace it with their own budget of 4.7 billion in cuts? So yes it will increase the deficit.