gazzer wrote: » The guy who was killed in East Wall was a convicted drug dealer??? Where did you read that?
RedPlanet wrote: » So you want: - legislation to hold parents accountable for their kids actions.
Terry wrote: » Normally I'd ban someone for this, but in this case I really believe it is deserved. This is not to be seen as a prescedent though.
Darragh29 wrote: » One thing I've noticed is the complete lack of any outcry around the East Wall area about this, they don't seem too bothered at all by this. I don't see much by way of posts from anyone living in East Wall on here either, kind of says a lot about the whole community over there...
Darragh29 wrote: » Just making the remark that you lot don't seem too put out by what happened to that man.
Just making the remark that you lot don't seem too put out by what happened to that man.
OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: » If that's the case, why are people complaining? The 13-year-old only did what most people on this thread would have done to him!
Zulu wrote: » Thats a sensible suggestion marcsignal. However, I'd be concerned on how this would impact the perception of the area. When it comes to social regeneration, and trying to improve and area, people won't be keen to move into an area that has uniformed soldiers on the streets.
Secondly, as said, the victim was reformed
RedPlanet wrote: » So you want:- legislation to hold parents accountable for their kids actions. - some sort of system whereby "good people" are encouraged to move into the area, but you have no specifics about such system. - some manner of "support" for those parents whom are terrorised by their out-of-control kids. - some general buzz word: "social regeneration", but beyond getting "good people" to move into the area, have no other specifics regarding what that means. HOwever, none of that constitutes any sort of handout from the council. That about right?
- some manner of "support" for those parents whom are terrorised by their out-of-control kids.
asdasd wrote: » I get the exact opposite feeling. They are shocked, appalled, but at a loss to know what to do. And clearly the Gardai are not much until the violence, threats etc. actually gets to murder.
Overheal wrote: » Tell me you arent making light of parents needing to be responsible for the actions of their children? Damn straight I would hold them responsible: too often parents just give up on their problem children because they dont have any sense of how to parent them.
Overheal: Tell me you arent making light of parents needing to be responsible for the actions of their children? Damn straight I would hold them responsible: too often parents just give up on their problem children because they dont have any sense of how to parent them. My mother did it to my sister, and she's been living out on her own/with boyfriends since she was 15. But thats a long story. Maybe if abortion was legalised there would be fewer unwanted pregnancies, sadly-unwanted children and hence fewer underparented gun weilding little shytes on the streets. - some manner of "support" for those parents whom are terrorised by their out-of-control kids. Absolutely! Like I said, some parents honestly dont know any better - they dont have the skills necessary to parent their kids. Whether it comes in the form of classes or a nanny, something has to happen in that regard. You need a license for a dog, but not a child. Lunacy. How bout if you dont have a parenting license (by taking a series of parenting courses) you dont receive a childrens allowance.
Earth Worm Jim wrote: » I knew Aidan, and he was a nice chap, he helped out all the kids, fixing their bikes, mopeds, scramblers etc, didn't ever see anything underhand or bogey going on, he was just a bike and car crazy mechanic that bothered nobody! A couple of kids did give him a hard time for a few weeks before what transpired, he even called the Guards over one incident (maybe more I don't know?) it was more than likely put down to kids acting the fvck! I have spoken to one of the Detectives about what happened and they are as shocked as everyone, lots of concern about some of the young childern that may have witnessed the actual shooting, as it happened at 7.30pm on a sunday night there were lots of kids around, maybe a lot younger than 13yr old (doing nobody any harm at all, just playing, many outside their own houses).. I also know the lad (16yr old) who is charged family and I am shocked at who it actualy was, his family have being involved in the community and youth clubs in particular for over 20yrs, Not bad parents by any means, I don't know the young lad well enough to comment on him but I don't think he was paticularly a tearaway.. I know he is on medication for a severe ADHD disorder(or something similar?) which is why he needed medical attention(he was NOT a JUNKIE like others have implied) It seems like a completely senseless act to all involved, but unfortunately someone died and that lad was responsible! On how we combat this and the culture I don't know, marching on peoples house's won't bring Aidan back, and the parents didn't do anything? Also what a lot of people don't get is that some of the people causing problems come from good families that marched on other families back in the 90's.. Its just some teens go off the rails no matter how they are brought up, whether rich or poor or where they live! Vigilante-ism ain't the answer! Working with youths and kids is the way to go, while East Wall may look and feel dead judging by church rd since what happened to Aidan, most kids were in supervised (by the parents) youth centres, clubs and playing football on their new astro tuff pitch! Its only a small amount of kids involved in anti social behaviour. The guards and the community are doing their bit and while the guards do get some stick, they have taken a good approach on this investigation, they are working with the community and not just coming in with a heavy handed approach and then leaving after a few weeks.. the guards will confirm that the community is fully co-opperating and doing their bit too and totaly appauled by what happened. As for getting the army involved. maybe yes, but Not touring the streets, maybe having open days in their barracks for school kids, participating in community activities with communities, like the guards should too!
Dave! wrote: » http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-drug-link-to-murder-but-mechanic-served-time-in-cuba-1568806.htmlhttp://www.herald.ie/national-news/okane-murder-lsquoyoursquoll-need-more-than-a-glock-to-defend-yourselfrsquo-1570136.html As the East Wall community, where he lived in Shelmalier Rd for the past 10 months, remained numbed at the brutality of his murder, it emerged that the victim had a criminal record. Mr O’Kane had fled from Ireland 14 years ago while awaiting trial on a drugs charge. In addition gardai established that he had served 11 years in a Cuban prison after a drugs conviction there, while on the run from the authorities here.
Mairt wrote: » Anyone got anything further on this?. Sounds like Mr.O'Kane had one of two skeletons in the closet. And while I'm not condoning his death in the least, I wonder what (if any) motives where behind a man who was a fugitive from justice here (drugs charges) and a convict in another country in allowing youngsters into his home. You reap what you sow?, or a totally reformed charactor?. Whatever the reason's, he didn't deserve to die in an allyway at the hands of a 16yr old little fvcker.
Easteregg wrote: » It is obvious to everyone that he was making amends and making a hard and honest living. He was putting his son through college, letting out his own room and sleeping on the living room couch to do so. I can only imagine that the 11 years that he did was not easy and that this was his payment for his wrong doings.
Easteregg wrote: » While it is a dark and upsetting topic, discussing the shooting and murder of Aidan O'Kane on Boards has been of benefit to many people in East Wall and other areas. It is also of benefit in relation to positive outcomes that might stem from such a heinous act. However, Aidan O'Kane is not currently charged, on bail, on remand for any crime that he has committed. I object to any reference to Aidan O'Kane's past being discussed in terms of "Reaping what you sow". The man might have committed crimes in his past, but it would seem quite obvious that he had a past but served the time for this and does not need to be judged after his death. It is obvious to everyone that he was making amends and making a hard and honest living. He was putting his son through college, letting out his own room and sleeping on the living room couch to do so. I can only imagine that the 11 years that he did was not easy and that this was his payment for his wrong doings. It might be possible to find out exactly what he did in his past but I think it is irrelevant as he was a free citizen of Ireland last Sunday. As right or wrong in what he did in his past, it is wrong to begin judging Aidan O'Kane's past in an online courtroom fashion using terminology such as reaping what he sowed. Have some respect for Aidan and his son.
Highsider wrote: » Off subject slightly but are people serious about a parent licence? Surely not :eek:
ball ox wrote: » I dunno about that but the simple fact is that these people should not be allowed to breed. It would be a problem solved.
Mairt wrote: » Who are 'these people' and how do we decide who needs a licence?. Do we wait to see if the first child commits a crime before deciding on licencing a parent, or by 'these people' do you mean working class people?.
