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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I doubt it. It's very unusual to plan for a prop to play over 70 mins per game. It's not something coaches do by choice. It made sense for Healy because he was too old to do much around the pitch except set piece. Boyle could move around the pitch and could do the job in the set piece.

    I think it they played Boyle earlier, they would have realised he was able to do the normal sub role and play 20 minutes rather than 5 minutes at the end.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Porter regularly does 70 minutes shifts for Ireland and always has though. These are his average minutes for Ireland

    25/26 : 57 min (though he came off the bench for one, if we ignore that it is 65 min)

    24/25: 66 min

    23/24: 61 min

    22/23: 72 min

    21/22: 65 min

    20/21: 49 min (multiple bench appearances and back when he was at TH with Furlong).

    There was absolutely nothing unusual about his minutes played in last year's 6N.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,086 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Boyle literally got nine minutes against Wales. In the URC final, three months later, he got five. Porter stays on because he has a massive engine, not because Healy was old and if Boyle was as good as he’s now being made out to be, he kept it to himself.

    But this is utterly irrelevant. Boyle got two caps in the 6N, it’s simply not credible to say that if he’d had another 15 minutes against France then everything would be different. He’d still have been behind McCarthy in the Autumn. And since he’s out injured anyway, nothing we could have done last year would have made a blind bit of difference for this year.

    There is literally nothing to do except see how Milne, Loughman, Bohan and maybe TOT or Bealham get on and hope for the best

    Post edited by Former Former Former on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    In last years 6N (i dont know about the rest of the season, or why its relevant to a discussion about the 6N) he played about 70 mins each game. Except the last game where Boyle came on at 65 mins.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Which is what he quite frequently does regardless of who is benching behind him. He played slightly fewer minutes in the 24 6N and slightly more in the 23 6N.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You’d be hard pushed to say that’s optimal tho… and imo, he’s beginning to look like a guy with a lot of miles on the clock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭big-al


    he was also a number 8 the whole way through his career until he went into the 7’s programme.


    he scored some fantastic tries for Ballynahinch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Murray Kinsella saying there is a fascinating team selection to come, i wonder is it Billy Bohan or maybe Crowley and Prendergast both in the team to start



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,403 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Whatever it is, we go into the game serious underdogs. All i want to see is a coherent plan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ersatz


    disallowed Edinburgh try from the cross filed kick which #3 “overran” and obstructed was a pure gift to Leinster. If anything he was being tackled off the ball by Degan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    This competition is funny. If somehow we get this first win we will be hands down the favourites for the tournament. Lose as expected and they have an obituary for the team in the paper. Of course neither is true, it's just one game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    i do like Crowley at 12, think it suits him better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Let’s take a simpler line of work, the Olympic 100m. Apparently, in the past ten competitions the average age of champions was 24 and Usain Bolt set his record at 22. Obviously, speed is just one requirement of a winger but it does tend to peak fairly early in adult life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ersatz


    wouldn’t be surprised if Farrell went for an unexpected team. Given the injury issues he is in an unusual position of having nothing to lose and everything to gain. He gets to try out some new players/combinations in a match where France are also rebuilding to some extent. Expectations are as low as they’ve been for many years and the only risk is a severe beating. He won’t have a better chance to experiment on a top flight game and he has the possibility of locking in some momentum. Seeing that young Leinster team dig it out today is a good example of what’s possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    That disallowed try by Tector was exciting. It’s great to see an out-half do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭big-al


    I think there is almost zero chance Crowley starts at 15 (or Prendergast)


    could be Osbourne at 15 & Stockdale on the wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭almostover


    There's a decent chance that Bryne, Prendergast and Crowley will all be in the matchday 23 though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭big-al


    Not a hope. Flyhalf is the weakest position in the Irish squad.


    There is no way the 3 of them will be in the 23. People need to get real here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Could see a world where 10 is Prendergast 22 is Byrne and 23 is Crowley in a 5/3 split. Would be left field alright but not quite “not a hope”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    If Crowley starts at 15 with Prendergast at 10 the likihood is it’s a 6/2 split with a SH in the 22 shirt (Casey) and an outside back in the 23 shirt (Osborne)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Edogbo and Joe at lock maybe?

    Beirne at 6, Ryan on the bench

    Sam/Harry at 10

    Crowley at 15



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭big-al


    Yeah there is ZERO chance of that happening.

    These outhalves aren’t as good as you think they are.


    the 23 will be one of Stockdale/osbohrne/baloucoune/lowe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    Reading between the lines the fascinating selection could be


    1. 4 SR’s in the XV, with McCarthy, Ryan and Beirne starting the piece seems to indicate Edogbo could also play in the starting pack. If Farrell wants another big guy in the pack it’ll likely be C.Prendergast, played all 3 tests during the autumn and has played a lot at 7 recently for Connacht. Fits the bill of an extra SR being 6’5 & 112kg and has actually played 7 before so not out of place entirely.

    2. Crowley at 15, I wonder did Murray let it slip that this might be the fascinating selection? Not just the talk of Crowley starting 15 but the fact when it came to the 10 jersey he wasn’t even mentioned as part of the debeate, did he accidentally let slip what might be happening.


    Overall it seems it’ll be

    1 Milne/Loughman/O’Toole

    2 Sheehan

    3 Furlong (if fit)

    4,5,6,7 = will be Ryan,McCarthy, Beirne & 1 of Prendergast, Edogbo or VDF depending on how he wants Ireland to play, with the numbers in jersey not determined yet!

    8 Doris

    9 JGP

    10 Prendergast

    11 James Lowe

    12 Stuart McCloskey

    13 Garry Ringrose

    14 Tommy O’Brien

    15 Jack Crowley/Jamie Osborne



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    Don't or can't see the benifit of all 3 10's in matchday 23.

    2 of them can only play 10.

    Crowley at a push to cover 12 during the game.

    10 won't be our issue on Thursday night i feel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    ”Will be” is too strong given we could just as easily go 6-2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭big-al


    you know what I mean.


    if yer man Kinsella knows anything then the surprise could be Edogbo (or on the bench)starting or Bohan starting.



    it won’t be putting 3 average out half’s in the 23.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I think you probably have to start Ryan +1, just for lineout here.

    I reckon it’ll be Ryan and McCarthy, with Beirne at 6 and Edogbo on the bench.

    We got stung vs SA with no 2nd row on the bench, and ostensibly Baird covering lock, but I don’t see Farrell making that mistake again vs heavyweight packs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    We get it, you don’t rate the 10s, you don’t have to keep repeating it every post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I’m just making the point that “ZERO chance” and “will be” are far too assured.

    FWIW, I think there’s an outside chance Crowley starts at 15 here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Surely Frawley at 15 makes a whole lot more sense than Crowley. He’s played there for Ireland before and he’s actually been playing there regularly this season, whereas Crowley hasn’t started a game at 15 since October 2022 (his only ever start at 15).

    I genuinely think there’s a good chance Tom O’Toole starts at loosehead. Ireland tried to convert him to LH about a year ago. They played him there against Fiji in 2024 and against England A last year. It didn’t work because Ulster had no intention of playing him there. But he probably offers more around the field than any of the specialist LHs and we know Ireland don’t prioritise the set piece, so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they just start him at LH.



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