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@TokTik "Which side in this war is it that has Nazi battalions again?? Parades for Nazis? Had the Canadian govt give a standing ovation to a Nazi?? Hint: it wasn’t the Russians."
You are unfairly associating Ukrainian nazis with the original German nazis. They are two different things. The Ukrainians joined with the nazis because the nazis were fighting Ukraine's enemy, Russia. It made practical sense to do so. Since then they have parades because their nazis are anti Russian. All this in very different from the German nazis. So forget the guilt by association trip.
@TokTik "Did NATO not sign an agreement not to move another inch eastward?? Yes or No will suffice."
As far as I know there was a tacit agreement not to move one inch into East Germany. But that was bound up with the politics of the day which are now gone.
You are right, it was actually a promise made by US Sec of State James A. Baker to Gorbachev and then repeated in a speech in Brussels on May 17th 1990 by NATO’s secretary general.
So NATO did break the agreement.
I still don't get why the whole "Europe can't match the US militarily" argument keeps getting made.
The simple fact is it doesn't need to. It just needs to be able to best Russia and that has never been an easier thing to achieve if the will is there to do it (where I think the actual problem is). Europe has more warplanes, more tanks, more artillery, more soldiers, a larger population and an economy that's many, many times the size of Russias.
Unless Trump is actually prepared to go to war alongside the dictator he so admires, Europe (and it's global allies Canada, Australia etc.) can utterly crush Russia and it's allies very, very easily. No way China's getting involved on anyone's behalf.
"but Russia has nukes!"
Yes, so do the French (and maybe the British - depending on the level of US control over their systems).
"but Russia has more nukes"
Yes, they do. But they also only have a population density that means you'd kill 20% of their population with just 2 nuclear warheads (Moscow and St Petersburg) and a large percentage of the rest would splinter away immediately after into the various stans and regional provinces. Were a "coalition of the willing" to announce itself with a devastating air attack on Russian forces in occupied Ukraine (where, lets not forget, Ukraine have been steadily erroding their air defenses), Russian soldiers would be marching back to their own territory by morning.
Thanks for reminding everyone about Wagner Russian Nazis who got wiped out by Ukrainians
No:
They didn't.
Did NATO not sign an agreement not to move another inch eastward?? Yes or No will suffice.
Which side in this war is it that has Nazi battalions again?? Parades for Nazis? Had the Canadian govt give a standing ovation to a Nazi??
Hint: it wasn’t the Russians.
Good example of a diatribe of Russian propaganda. Touches on everything:
Who wrote that horseh1t? It's disturbing to see that Russian propaganda has got a foothold.
The exact moment the penny dropped with me I was sucked into another Kremlin scutter propaganda article!!
I keep falling into the trap…
Are the bits you don't agree with the bits that are absolutely hot garbage? Which is most of it.
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” - Joseph Goebbels
^ In case anyone is confused as to why the Russian Nazis keep reiterating the same lies over and over and over again
Fair play to those whom patiently call em out on the bullshit again and again, you give the Russian Nazis an inch and they take a quarter of your country before you know it (or in case of US under Krasnov the whole country)
Great - so what do you want? The war to stop? Europe to do nothing?- let Putin have his victory? With what is looking like zero consequences for his actions? What happens the next time Russia comes knocking? Do we just appease him again? If you think that that the only reason Putin is in Ukraine is because of NATO or to protect Russian speakers you really do not understand at all. Love the confidence though.
Read with an open mind but got as far as this nugget and gave up:
In 2014, what many people describe, fairly accurately as “a coup” overthrew a democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, because he rejected an EU trade deal.
@tiktok "Ukraine’s capital was the heart of Kievan Rus and laid the foundations for the Russian nation."
Which means Russia should be living under Kyivan law and jurisdiction. Kyiv existed before Moscow did. So if historical arguments apply you have them here.
A lot of words to say: "I uncritically lap up Kremlin propaganda and regurgitate it".
Don’t agree with everything in the below, but it covers what’s happening without being too one sided.
“Many people were understandably appalled at the Oval Office row involving Trump and Zelensky. It was indeed unedifying and appeared to be a form of bullying of President Zelensky by Trump and his lapdog JD Vance.
However, people’s understandable loathing of Trump, which I share, should not blind them to the background and realpolitik to this public spat which lies in the long and murky history of US involvement in Ukraine.
While Trump is a boorish, arrogant oaf, his statement that President Zelensky wouldn’t be “such a tough guy without US support” is essentially correct. You don’t have to like the messenger to accept the factual basis of the message.
Zelensky has never held “the cards”- as Trump put it - in this war. Ukraine was never an independent actor in this conflict. The real movers and shakers have always been in Washington, Moscow and Brussels.
The reality also is that many western supporters of continued war in Ukraine take a simplistic, ill-informed view on the background to the conflict which, to be frank about it, is the result of a diet of Russophobia which people in this part of the world have basically been reared on.
The truth is that the long histories of Ukraine and Russia are inextricably linked. They have been for 1,000 years. Ukraine’s capital was the heart of Kievan Rus and laid the foundations for the Russian nation.
Despite huge efforts in the west to portray Ukraine as an oppressed nation, that caricature is disputed by many. For instance, the most obvious problem with this analysis is that Ukraine was an integral part of the old Russian Empire.
Even during the Soviet era, Ukraine was a central player in the USSR. Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev was himself Ukrainian.
What is also true, of course is that the Ukrainian people suffered horrifically during the period of the Holodomor, which some historians believe was a man made famine engineered purposely by Stalin.
Saying any of the foregoing does not make one an admirer of Putin, who is a brutal authoritatian. It is merely to understand the history of the region.
When the USSR collapsed, Ukraine became independent and that’s when things get more complicated.
The United States and NATO gave explicit assurances to the world that in the post Soviet period, NATO would not expand “one inch eastward." It wasn't long before this solemn commitment was torn up.
Western intelligence and political interests began meddling in the internal politics of Ukraine. So too did Russia.
The hidden hand of the US and the CIA was exposed - when officials like Victoria Nuland were heard on a leaked phonecall, handpicking Ukraine’s next government before Yanukovych had even departed.
Anti-government protests at this time were anything but peaceful. They included self-declared, neo-Nazi organisations.
Western and Kiev backed groups supported bans on the Russian language, and people in the east of the country who identified with Russia were brutally attacked.
In this atmosphere, Crimea voted to return to Russia. Groups in Donbass also voted to secede.
Russia was clearly interfering in Ukraine at this time also. We all remember the “little green men”, who were clearly Russian soldiers on Ukrainian soil.
However, it is also a fact that Kiev attacked their own people, shelling civilians for eight years, and there wasn’t a peep out of the bleeding heart liberals in the west.
It should also be remembered that Ukraine suffers hugely from corruption, with oligarchs funding political parties in their own self interest. It cannot be compared to any liberal democracy in Western Europe.
By 2022 NATO countries had funnelled millions of weapons and money into Ukraine. So, with NATO on its doorstep, in contravention of previous assurances; with Russian identifying communities being attacked; and the prospect of Ukraine becoming a base for NATO nuclear weapons - Russia invaded Ukraine.
The Russian invasion was wrong. It was illegal under international law. Like all invasions it was brutal.
But let nobody pretend that the US or other western powers would not do the same in similar circumstances. If you believe that - I have some magic beans to sell you!
Saying any of this does not make one an admirer of Putin. It merely means you recognise the truth.
And the truth is that Ukraine has been used as a pawn in geopolitical scheming for years, and it still is.
With President Zelenskyy being abandoned by his previous sponsors - Washington, Ukraine has now effectively lost the war.
There is no way that the Brits, France or the EU can fill the role played by Washington. They have neither the military capability nor the money.
But what Britain, France and others now wish to do is to greatly militarise Europe. They are seeking to keep up the fantasy that Russia can be defeated by Ukraine on the battlefield. This is utterly delusional.
If they weren’t able to defeat Russia with the backing of the most powerful military and economy in the world, how on earth can they do it without them?
Meanwhile, Ukrainian forces are dragging kids and old men off the streets to force them to the frontline in an unwinnable war.
It’s disgusting. It’s shameful. It’s a waste of human lives. And people in Ireland need to stop cheering it on.
Why should Ireland care about any of this at all? Well, because influential forces in this country are seeking very explicitly to drag us into the vortex of a new European militarism.
For a start, the British have announced that they will manufacture their weapons of destruction for Ukraine on the island of Ireland - in a city that itself has only recently emerged into peace from a decades long conflict. This is an obscenity!
The British have no money for struggling pensioners, or for their crumbling health service but have plenty of money for weapons of war.
Meanwhile, in the South the opinion writers, the columnists and the editors have been working overtime to end Ireland’s longstanding policy of military neutrality.
The first step in this process will be the Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael government’s attempt to remove the Triple Lock regarding the deployment of Irish troops overseas.
The insidious campaign to chip away at Irish neutrality must be strongly opposed. The Irish people highly value our neutrality, our record of peacekeeping and our long anti-colonial history.
Meanwhile the efforts to flood Ukraine with more weapons of war and to escalate the conflict must be replaced with efforts to broker a ceasefire and serious negotiations towards a lasting peace.”
@CalamariFritti "The way it's currently going there will be one and it wont be the Russians starting it."
Eh? The Russians have already started everything that is to follow. You can't start a war and blame someone else for the consequences.
But Trump is already trying to blame Zelenskyy for it. He's trying to preempt the blame game so if it does come Putin will not be blamed: "You are playing cards with WW3".
You have to be ahead of the curve with this f'er.
I am still waiting for the latest Orwell Rd representative to grace us with their presence, to squeal “Russophobia”
Then my bingo card will be complete
@CalamariFritti
Ye great not quite a hundred years later Germany is building Autobahnen direction east again.We seem literally drunk with obsession of a new war. … it wont be the Russians starting it.…demonisation of a supposed enemy
Ye great not quite a hundred years later Germany is building Autobahnen direction east again.
We seem literally drunk with obsession of a new war. … it wont be the Russians starting it.
…demonisation of a supposed enemy
So that's your summing up of what is going on in Europe over last few years. Militaristic Germans are itching to fight and create a giant war and wronged Russia is the victim of this warmongering.
Reminds me of what Peskov I think said the other day. Russia has stopped heaping invective on the US though, as they are doing everything Putin/Russia wants. The US is suddenly "good", and Europe is now the remaining evil, "the party of war".
You perhaps haven't got the new Russian political/media messages internalised yet as you were are still attacking the US here + banging on about the Iraq invasion from 20 years ago, "plane loads of cash" etc. The change-up has just been too rapid and sharp for you to cope with.
Attempting to humiliate Zelensky over his attire, yet there is his girlfriend Marjorie in Congress wearing that ridiculously stupid MAGA baseball cap.
Even Elon's own AI estimates with 75-85% certainty that Trump is a Russian asset:
Jesus fcuking Christ, Putin Jr.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgn3v0rdx2o
Seems like that £1.6B is going to Belfast
https://www.thejournal.ie/michelle-oneill-belfast-ukraine-missile-deal-6639080-Mar2025/
Indeed, you are right, at the start putin said not war but the long war ,me thinks this has been conspired by many blank faces .
The Russians have already started it, just like WW2 was really just the climax of the political divide in Europe pre WW1. The wheels are in motion now. And when you invest in building up militarily, there is increased pressure to use it. When Putin invaded Ukraine he began a war that could last for decades and involve every country in the world. It's not like Europe has a choice. They can agree any deals with Russia, Russians will not abide by them and continue to push west.
It's always the same.
Will Trump propose to buy Ireland in the run up to st Patrick's day? And what will he say if president Higgins has a go at him....Like what would the first remarks out of Trump's mouth if he saw Higgins....Paddy's day...
Certain irony in you saying people never learn from history. Appeasement of Nazi Germany did not work meanwhile you're arguing for that very policy with Russia. People really never do learn.
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