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Wow. Also, Drone debris is the new lit cigarette.
The guy keeping daily visually confirmed and geolocated equipment lists
There’s a video on ukrainewarvideos subreddit where two Russian soldiers walking down a mud track recording each other and joking, and there’s just body after body of their comrades on side or road, seems there’s no attempts to even recover the dead as one would assume these two were far from front to be walking like that unafraid of drones
If she'd just held the phone in landscape there would have been no need to pan over and back 🙄
Very impressive just how far behind enemy lines that is. I wonder did the drone fly through spudhead's airspace.
That's even more impressive then the huge depot explosions in russian occupied parts of Ukraine earlier in the war. Looks like someone dropped a pager. Can't wait to find out what they were storing there.
it’s amazing how Russia has every attack under control. Must be the only country in history to have constant under control surprise attacks
Good guardian article on situation around Pokrovsk. Cautiously optimistic that Ukraine might just hold it especially if they can continue hitting ammo depots within Russia:
Notice the shockwave, stuff still exploding
Nice strike overnight in Tver, look forward to the videos
Ukraine is going to win this war.
Why?
It's simple. The military/industrial targets within Russia will continue to be bombed and sanctioned, while the military/industrial supply chain of Ukraine lies in NATO countries, which Russia will not dare strike for fear of being destroyed.
Unfortunately this process is going to take time, but it's inevitable. Russia will continue to get weaker and weaker, but the strength of Ukraine will grow and grow. It could take well into 2026, but it is a irreversible process.
The Zelensky story on BBC is excellent. Much better and different to what I was expecting. Directing and pacing is top notch.
Lukashenko's as thick as mince. The fool thought Belarus was going to get their nukes back from Russia, these being handed to Russia when the old USSR member states handed over theirs. I don't think he's got them back yet. 😛 All that he's done is to hand over Belarus to the Russians and flushed any sovereignty down the toilet.
It's a safe bet that many Belarusians want him dead.
An attack on Belarus will be the beginning of the Third World War, — Lukashenko
He also stated that the USA is preparing to escalate the situation in Belarus, and Lithuania will initiate a process against him in The Hague
😂
Seen that. Also seen a video from a russian pit where they squashed in soldiers who refused to operate a tank. Barbarians.
On that Kursk image above it looks a little different then some I've seen but with both sides counter attacking an area not fortified thing's can change fast.
Russian counteroffensive in Kursk continues to move well .. in the rearward direction
not gonna post the link but it’s all over social media, these Russians decided to stab a dead soldier with a sword (engraved with “for Kursk”) and the widely disseminate the bloody images, these ordinary Russians can’t spend a day without committing crimes
Well said, maybe as clear as tin foil.
Thankfully they've managed to go nearly 3 years without mobilising these guys.
Id like to see the evidence for what is clear as day. To my mind, it is clear as day that the US has already provided far more in aid to Ukraine than it had originally intended. In Feb 22 Biden noted the record amount of military aid to Ukraine - $650m, vs over $100bn since. They made it clear they wouldnt get involved militarily and, while the US did warn that Russia would pay a high price if they invaded, this is an economic price due to sanctions and not a military price:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/02/18/remarks-by-president-biden-providing-an-update-on-russia-and-ukraine-2/
Since then, America has become a lot more involved and at each stage it has been a painful debate between helping Ukraine and not escalating to a Russia-NATO war, with the added factor of the US national debt and competeting issues from Israel and Taiwan. Now, it may well be argued that some of those arguments and some of the high profile arguers were in bad faith, but the point is that thr US struggled to get the last 60bn through and has shown reluctance to bring it up again. Clearly, more aid for Ukraine is a political difficulty in the US, and logically the debate is between whether to give it or not, not whether to give all Ukraine needs vs enough to slow bleed Russia:
https://www.crisisgroup.org/united-states/behind-debate-over-us-military-aid-ukraine
Thus, there are clear reasons to indicate that the US aid to Ukraine is curtailed, not by a desire to drip feed Ukraine or slow bleed Russia, but by other issues, namely cost, escalation and lack of interest in Ukraine (coupled with greater interest in other regions).
The reality is that war is difficult and expensive and the burden on the US, while a fraction of their overall budget, is still fairly significant. Asking even more of them is politically impossible. For all the talk, the US isnt sufficiently interested in the conflict to do more than they are already doing. Indeed, I suspect that (but admit I have no direct evidence of) the US and particularly the EU wanted the Ukraine war to be long over by now.
So I'll ask again what the basis of your view is that it is clear as day that drip feeding Ukraine is the plan, that they want a war over 4/5 years and/or that its not in US interests for the war to end in 2 years.
Russia will reduce it's population from 144.2 million to 139.7 million by the end of the war.
Driven back in Pokrovsk. Hundreds more km2 taken by Ukraine in Kursk. Drones striking military and industrial targets hundreds of KMs inside Russia. F16s on combat missions above Ukraine.
Looks like the tide has changed against Russia
I joked about that before lol, only matter of time before Putin claims Kursk was never Russia
September 16, 2034 - Putin- “Areas outside Moscow ring road was never truly Russia, bring out your boys to die for a geriatric old man, oooooooorrrraaaaahhhh!”
I wouldn't be surprised if Mad Vlad declared the area still in Ukraine's hands on 1st of October no longer Russia. Master Strategist's aims complete.
Russian Kursk counteroffensive has been a flopnik
highly esteemed Forbes blog opinion platform confirms
two weeks left until Putin’s promised liberation of Kursk by October 1st
For a buffer zone perhaps?
Putin's still dreaming.
I find it unbelievable that he hasn't had an "accident" yet as the rest of the Russian hierarchy must really be feeling the pinch at this stage. Mad Vlad has been responsible for the biggest balls up in Russia in a long time.
Russia will increase its number of soldiers from 1.3M to 1.5M with about 2.4M military personnel overall.
Denmark will send more F16's by the end of the year.
I certainly wouldn't have the patience, but its important that someone does because what the likes of that poster and the Kremlin Spin Office (indeed any bad-faith spin office) rely on is enough lies getting through unchallenged for enough naïve people to swallow.
I didn't say America planned the war itself. But it's clear as day the drip feeding of weapons and red tape on their use is tying one hand behind Ukraines back. They see this as an opportunity to completely destroy Russia's Soviet stockpiles over a 4/5 year period. It's not in their interest to end this war after 2 years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8dp10d4vq2t
This nonsense is not what Ukraine needs right now.
To be fair B, I am a big idiot, so I figured go with the flow. 😁
This old chestnut again! What is your evidence and how do you draw the conclusions for same?
At the very outset of the war, the US was planning to supply primarily weapons that could be used in an insurgency type scenario.
If that isnt proof that the US didnt plan this, then surely the fact that the money the US s spending is such a hot topic politically? If they were really trying to spin it out and cause maximum damage to Russia, why isnt the US producing 3 million unguided shells a year for them?
The reality is that America has provided far more aid to Ukraine than they were originally comfortable with, and tbey have no real interest in a war with Russia because they see that as Europes problem while they (America) are focussed on China.
Americas first choice would be an outright Ukrainian victory. The second choice would be a quick but bloody Russian victory. The law drawn out war is the best of the other sub optimal outcomes, but it is far from ideal.
If you have a good counter argument based on what is happening Id love to hear it. But I dont think its helpful to just assert this as the putative reason for US reluctance to give additional aid.
