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How would you know if you haven't listened?
Seen a few videos recently on twitter of foreign lads fighting for Ukraine and Russia.
Would all these be paid by Russia n Ukraine or voluntary?
What kind of dough would they be on a week? Dunno about Ukraine but I doubt Putin would be valuing there lives.
Would these lads be thrown into whatever hotspot to save locals lives? Seems a risky business to be in !
Soliders and drones moving in unison in Kursk.
And that's a pretty horrible way to die..better leave the trench and face the gunfire..
I’ve weed patches in my garden that could go with this same weed eradication method
Meanwhile “ordinary Russians” are busy celebrating one of their missiles decapitating a young girl in Kharkiv
https://x.com/frontlinekit/status/1830507732849283296
Well ya that's why I used "" for just. I just meant it looked more like a laser beam than a burning/melting substance.
Oh christ. Thermite is way more than fire
Speaking of Europe helping Russia
Here are talking heads calling for destruction of EU
And here is EU saying “take our money”
While continuing to block transfer of seized 300bn in Russian assets that can win this war
now that is likely going to hurt. I stand corrected so, Ukraine knows of a few really really valuable targets then if you know just where to hit. Whole refinery itself must be worth many billions then in hardware alone.
That Moscow refinery of which the video shows one of the key cracking towers going boom did cost hundreds of millions to modernise
here is Gazprom boasting about all they spent before the war
Notice how the key contractor were South Korean and European
Now the question is will these be helping Russia rebuild or will sanctions keep em away
Eitherway that’s a lot of infrastructure being destroyed with a cheap drone in what is meant to have been the most protected airspace in Russia
millions easily depending on the strike, tens of millions maybe in exceptional strikes, hundreds of millions I highly doubt. Like the power plant strike shown on the weekend, it hit a relatively small section of the plant, the plant itself is largely still standing and it’s possible they could press it back into service (whether months or years) depending on the nature of the damage, and for a fraction of the cost it took to construct the plant. That plant was not a total write off by the look of it. That will similarly be the case with a lot of drone strike targets, they’re good weapons for Ukraine but they aren’t leveling city blocks or anything.
It's two separate things.
The long-range drones are designed to impact Russia strategically, by hurting their main war resources. They target that infrastructure, as well as others. The long-range strikes also divert Russian resources to defend infrastructure, contradict their propaganda and are a morale boost for Ukr (they can actually retaliate to long-range strikes now).
The front is tactical and such drones would not have much use. There Ukr focuses on artillery, Himars strikes, FPV drones, etc.
Raining Thermite on your enemies is just insane.
Screw that. I would be trying to run from that, bloody hell.
My phrasing was poor I guess. I didn't mean the same exact drones, but drones nonetheless. I suppose I'm really wondering why ya'd keep pounding static objects, as useful as taking them out is vs a moving force on the way to take out one of the key towns for supplying the frontline troops. Taking out oil refineries and the like is good, but the impact of that loss won't be seen on the Russian side for some time whereas a force moving right now being minimised would
I know it's "just" fire but in the clip it looks like some kind of sci-fi laser.
Ukraine taking inspiration from game of thrones 🐉 on how to deal 🔥 with vatniks
Sorry, yeah, my post wasn't worded very well… agree with you on the use of drones, my last comments were more directed at the post you were quoting. I just think the "could they not have used them to defend Donbas" argument that a few people have raised, while understandable at a visceral/ knee-jerk level, just doesn't hold up at all.
These kind of drones are not so useful for that. They are rough equivalents to the "Shahed" ones Russia bombs Ukraine with every day. Russia does not use these on the front line afaik, they attack Ukrainian cities and infrastructure with them.
There would be a lot of air defences and electronic warfare protecting the Russian front lines (unlike these oil refineries and storage, factories etc. deep inside Russia).
I was replying to the poster asking why these drones striking deep into Russia are not being used in Donbas a few posts up
It’s obvious these are long range drones being used on refineries, for vatniks of course there are cheaper FPV drones that correspond to the price tag Putin puts on his disposable men
One type of drone is “strategic” the other is “tactical”
And yes these large drones are being used in east, there is no refinery or oil storage left not burning there
Yeah, people need to remember that the Ukrainian's have a number of different drone models - the one in that video is expensive and high-explosive, but a big fat relatively slow moving target. It wouldn't last very long over a highly militarised area. The drones in use on the front line are a different kettle of fish, they wouldn't have been used in these long-range sorties. It's a bity like in WW2 with the heavy and even light bombers… they served a completely different purpose to fighters and ground attack aircraft. A Wellington or a Lancaster wouldn't have lasted more than a few minutes over Dunkirk. Which was in fact half the problem the RAF had in the very early days of the war.
So I don't see how Ukraine attacking targets deep within Russia has a negative impact on its efforts to hold off the Russian push in Donbas. Unless you were arguing that resources should be diverted away from even buying/ building the long range drones. Which I don't think is a sensible proposition either.
Option 1. Use a drone worth few dozen thousand to destroy hundreds of millions in industrial equipment which Russian can’t easily or cheaply replace
Option 2. Use it on a vatnik or two of which Russia has millions and whom rely on outputs of the above refinery for their transport and their wages
If you are in a fight for your life do you
A. try to block a punch
B. aim for the balls to end the fight faster
Ukraine has been choosing option A for last decade in Donbas and the world doesn’t care nor help much
Even at this “increased” rate of Russian advance we are looking at decades for Donbas to fall, never mind Russia even recapturing what they gained in initial months of this war
As already mentioned.
Slow them down. It's irrelevant what Putin cares about cos all he cares about is himself I reckon. This town seems a big deal to the defence in the east so firing anything in that direction to slow/stop the advancing Russians would be higher priority than facilities that aren't going anywhere over in Russia that seems like can be hit at anytime.
And do what?
Kill another 1000 meatniks per day? Putin doesn’t care about that
(Assuming the drones get past all the EW in that area)
He does very much care about his one trick economic pony running on oil exports not imploding and Moscowites continuing to live in a bubble where the war is a remote concept
I suppose there would be more jamming equipment from both sides there and more weapons to shot them down. Also say if you send it to front line to hit a tank etc. but that's moved location in the mean time and your drone just hits dirt while if you send it to hit oil storage facility that can't be moved so you are more likely to hit it. There using those drones that can fly hundreds and thousands of kms to do that and smaller drones on front line.
If Ukraine are flying drones hundreds of k into Russia and on the outskirts of Moscow blowing stuff up, can they not send a swarm of them to the eastern frontline to keep that Pokrovsk town safe?
Because the money for the mines etc is being withheld by EU
Btw there are continued reports of chemical weapons being used in this area
And all we get are thumbleweeds from us
they have been all war. So have the Russians. It’s now the largest minefield on earth, covering an area larger than the U.S. state of Florida with varying density and distribution. Both sides have been at it, antipersonnel and tank mines, including booby trapping troop trenches and other abandoned emplacements, and countless unexplored ordnance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ukraines-landmine-crisis-60-minutes/
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