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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
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He is probably just referring to the constant shortage of key munitions for Ukrainian forces, and the lack of western resolve to win this strategically vital war.
Three countries/focal points will determine the next few decades
Ukraine,Israel and Taiwan and all their enemies are in conjunction.
''Russia has made sweeping advances in recent days that threaten to outweigh the gains made by Ukraine in its cross-border attack into the Kursk region.
Russian forces are just a few kilometres from the Ukrainian city of Pokrovsk, a crucial logistics hub used by the Ukrainian military.
Home to a key railway station and major roads, Pokrovsk is an essential supply and reinforcement point for Ukraine’s troops on the eastern front line.
Critics in Kyiv fear that the country's military has made a serious miscalculation. ''
“If we lose Pokrovsk, the entire front line will crumble."
They're going to lose Pokrovsk, that's what I'm talking about.
While the Kursk invasion is an embarrassment to Putin at this stage he’s been so embarrassed many times over that the world isn’t shocked anymore.
Maybe Ukraine thought it would cause huge embarrassment from countries that he would have to do something big to save face.
At this stage no one bats an eyelid anymore.
I unfortunately agree….
Provided that they actually do scale up that production for Ukraine.
There’s an actual solution just sitting in Brussels
300bn if seized Russian state assets which EU and Germany refuses to give to Ukrainians despite pressure from US and UK , money that more than likely be mostly spent in Europe too
Germany cut aid to Ukraine altogether instead pointing that they permitted the interest from this 300bn to be sent to Ukraine (maybe)
It’s only a matter of time before a Russian missile slams into a nuclear plant as they are now deliberately targeting them, the shocked picachu faces on half of Europe when this eventually happens and it dawns on them that no this war won’t be “contained” and they missed the chance to stop Putin early on
Agreed. Ukraine would need to take a city like Bryansk, Kursk or Belgorod to cause Putin real embarrassment or alarm at this stage. Which they're clearly not capable of.
I still think the Kursk incursion was worth it because Russia has taken losses and they'll pay a heavy price to return that territory. I just hope Ukraine has the ability to take the area cut off by the river to the West. Russia appears to have slowed them.
Russian soldiers assaulted and entered the coal mine complex north east of vuhledar. Absolute disaster if this falls as it leaves vuhledar very exposed and Russia a platform to attack it from 3 directions.
putin seems happy to feed his terrorists into yet another meat grinder while leaving insufficient force to defend his empire's borders or stop Ukraine from using its drone's to take out moskovyte military and industrial infrastructure. What has he left to take advantage of a hypothetical break in the front lines when he can't even hold the land that he has had control of since he came to power?
Ukrainians saying their outnumbered 5 to 1 on the Donbass frontline. How's this when both armies are of similar size? Are Ukraine holding men back as loading the frontline will just result in more death's from the ariel bombardments?
Vuhledar is a pile of smouldering ruins. No civilian population live there, no economic output. Russia has spent nearly two years and expended thousands of lives and hundreds of tanks for nothing. Ukraine falls back to the next small uninhabited village, rinse and repeat
If it falls Ukraine will be falling back much further then the next village. Have you seen the buildings there? Despite heaving bombing many high rises still stand because it's an industrialised town. There's only so many towns like Vuhledar you can fall back to before you're at the Dnipro. Would be a big loss to see it fall.
The frontlines are largely contained since winter 2022. You have to zoom out on the maps to gain some perspective. The Ukrainians took more territory in a couple of weeks in Kursk than the Russians did in the last year in Donbass.
”both armies are of similar size”? Where are getting this from?
Why aren't the Ukrainians mining the shìte out of the land they're retreating from then blowing it to kingdom come one sufficient Russian troops and equipment are in the area. It makes no sense to retreat just so you can retreat again without punishing the Russians for moving forward.
Maybe I'm giving too much credence to the talk coming from Ukraine that the frontlines will collapse if Povtrosk falls. Along with Kupyansk, Chasiv Yar and Vuhledar they're the main pillar's in Ukraine's eastern defence.
They did send reinforcements recently. I guess if they can hold out until the mud season the lines should stabilise for another year.
Gdp is up due to wartime economy however vacancies in normal jobs are high because workers have been removed and factories repurposed for the war. Wages are therefore rapidly rising in that economy. This is fuelling inflation which is current at 9% while everyone else is back down to normal, and high interest rates are not stopping it.
As of a few weeks back the energy sector was 17% down and getting worse with every attack further driving price rises. There is increasing pressure on the ruble and the Central Bank are burning through reserves to prop it up which they can't do forever. Add in another mobilization to enhance problem 1 and things could get very tight.
they have been all war. So have the Russians. It’s now the largest minefield on earth, covering an area larger than the U.S. state of Florida with varying density and distribution. Both sides have been at it, antipersonnel and tank mines, including booby trapping troop trenches and other abandoned emplacements, and countless unexplored ordnance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ukraines-landmine-crisis-60-minutes/
Because the money for the mines etc is being withheld by EU
Btw there are continued reports of chemical weapons being used in this area
And all we get are thumbleweeds from us
If Ukraine are flying drones hundreds of k into Russia and on the outskirts of Moscow blowing stuff up, can they not send a swarm of them to the eastern frontline to keep that Pokrovsk town safe?
I suppose there would be more jamming equipment from both sides there and more weapons to shot them down. Also say if you send it to front line to hit a tank etc. but that's moved location in the mean time and your drone just hits dirt while if you send it to hit oil storage facility that can't be moved so you are more likely to hit it. There using those drones that can fly hundreds and thousands of kms to do that and smaller drones on front line.
And do what?
Kill another 1000 meatniks per day? Putin doesn’t care about that
(Assuming the drones get past all the EW in that area)
He does very much care about his one trick economic pony running on oil exports not imploding and Moscowites continuing to live in a bubble where the war is a remote concept
Slow them down. It's irrelevant what Putin cares about cos all he cares about is himself I reckon. This town seems a big deal to the defence in the east so firing anything in that direction to slow/stop the advancing Russians would be higher priority than facilities that aren't going anywhere over in Russia that seems like can be hit at anytime.
As already mentioned.
If you are in a fight for your life do you
A. try to block a punch
B. aim for the balls to end the fight faster
Ukraine has been choosing option A for last decade in Donbas and the world doesn’t care nor help much
Even at this “increased” rate of Russian advance we are looking at decades for Donbas to fall, never mind Russia even recapturing what they gained in initial months of this war
Option 1. Use a drone worth few dozen thousand to destroy hundreds of millions in industrial equipment which Russian can’t easily or cheaply replace
Option 2. Use it on a vatnik or two of which Russia has millions and whom rely on outputs of the above refinery for their transport and their wages
Yeah, people need to remember that the Ukrainian's have a number of different drone models - the one in that video is expensive and high-explosive, but a big fat relatively slow moving target. It wouldn't last very long over a highly militarised area. The drones in use on the front line are a different kettle of fish, they wouldn't have been used in these long-range sorties. It's a bity like in WW2 with the heavy and even light bombers… they served a completely different purpose to fighters and ground attack aircraft. A Wellington or a Lancaster wouldn't have lasted more than a few minutes over Dunkirk. Which was in fact half the problem the RAF had in the very early days of the war.
So I don't see how Ukraine attacking targets deep within Russia has a negative impact on its efforts to hold off the Russian push in Donbas. Unless you were arguing that resources should be diverted away from even buying/ building the long range drones. Which I don't think is a sensible proposition either.
I was replying to the poster asking why these drones striking deep into Russia are not being used in Donbas a few posts up
It’s obvious these are long range drones being used on refineries, for vatniks of course there are cheaper FPV drones that correspond to the price tag Putin puts on his disposable men
One type of drone is “strategic” the other is “tactical”
And yes these large drones are being used in east, there is no refinery or oil storage left not burning there
These kind of drones are not so useful for that. They are rough equivalents to the "Shahed" ones Russia bombs Ukraine with every day. Russia does not use these on the front line afaik, they attack Ukrainian cities and infrastructure with them.
There would be a lot of air defences and electronic warfare protecting the Russian front lines (unlike these oil refineries and storage, factories etc. deep inside Russia).
