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Seems Putin is throwing the airforce at this incursion where they were hiding before over Russian soil and the Ukrainians were hand tied to take them out.
This is definitely an interesting development.
Maybe this incursion force too is completely devoid of Russian spies could be separate to the rest of the army fighting in Ukraine. Whatever it seems they've more freedom fighting on Russian soil.
Add to that, that they'll have to commit troops and equipment to the border to prevent the Ukrainians repeating this here or at some other point along the border. This could stretch them so thin that multiple breakthroughs on the front line become possible.
Not really, it will go on as long as russia can sustain it, Ukraine have to defend themselves, they don't have the option to stop, even if russia somehow made large gains, it would descend into guerrilla warfare and insurgencies.
When Ukraine retreat from the kursk region, the bots will start talking about peace again and everyone will ridicule them for doing so.
I found the “planning to cross back across the border” bit even more hilarious
Budanov must be flooding the area with operatives who can either go to ground and or use the civilian panic to filter deeper into Russia
And spend months and years carrying out sabotage and executions from within Russia itself forcing the internal police to choose between policing or their current role of shooting fellow Russians who retreat
Russia now saying they’ve stopped the Ukrainians from moving forward
So they were lying 4 days ago when they claimed the same thing?
The much battered enemy continues his cowardly advance.
Ukrainians frightening the life out of Russians with their robot dogs.
Those materialists are always trying to make everything genetic. Alcoholism was 'genetic' for a while but not any more. Went out of fashion.
Nobody has done that. No need for the paranoid post.
They are now moving rapidly sideways and diagonally comrade.
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Lol
I wonder how much damage a thermobaric bomb did? I can't see any other details.
Russia Deploys Devastating Thermobaric Bomb in Response to Ukrainian Incursion into Kursk (btimesonline.com)
I'm actually surprised it took this long. Maybe Russia jets weren't operating as usual after they probably temporarily left the air bases that were attacked.
Looks like Ukraine have taken about as much territory now as possible and it's probably going to be mainly defensive from here on in.
Ukraine may well keep throwing resources at kharkiv, the Ukrainian army want manoeuvre war as a way to break the dead lock , and this may well be it , the bigger this offensive gets ,the more it sucks in russian resources and troops , and Russia doesn't have long prepared positions , Russia can gamble on which way Ukraine will go , and build huge defensive a long way back from the front line -but you'd need to go a long way back to guarantee time to get it built,plus that almost abandons that area between the front and the defensive line to the oncoming Ukrainians -
Ultimately Ukraine has to replace the existing front in Ukrainian territory, with one exclusively in Russian territory, and the further south and east they can go , the more they deprive the Russians of supplies and the more they suck in resources from the Donbass, which was always going to be a nightmare to fight through ,
Increase speed, drop down and reverse direction!
Note how the concern trolls are silent at the moment, always quiet whenever Ukraine is achieving something positive. If Russia starts to push Ukraine back, watch this space, they'll pipe up again.
Fair play to Ukraine they seem to have pulled a fast one on Putin and Russia.
Would be stupid not to , ultimately Ukraine are going to head south , I dont think they have the desire or the troops to do a Napoleon and head for Moscow
Also the russian would be behind them in Ukraine ..
A typical brigade is two to four line battalions, with support assets. Normally 2-4000 people. A line battalion is generally 300-500 infantry, the rest being the supporting cast. I can't speak to Ukraine specifically, but generally speaking, a bde is a bde.
Would be stupid not to what???
Russia not to use a Nuke?
Also russians reporting Ukrainian troops already in kauchuk so where exactly are they saying they have stopped the Ukrainians?
They have the potential to circumvent Russias defensive lines in the Donbas and attack from the North from Russian ground with no obstruction from mines etc. They'd need to go 25km deep or so to make it a viable safe corridor but if they could do it the Russians would be in serious bother. Once they start moving backwards they have shown themselves to have neither the tactical nous or the means to halt the rot.
I was curious as to what the "Business Times" was when it was at home. But to be fair their about us page openly admits they were founded in Beijing in 2009.
Theyve been using thermobaric bombs throughout the war. It isnt anything new.
They are useful to injure troops who are partially sheltered indoors in a way that high explosive bombs might not, but the big problem for Russia is accuracy. Using them on their own towns could cause lots of civilian casualties.
The exchange fund is getting some boost this week!
Another incursion?
Good time to blow the bridge?
You are inferring that I've stated that Russia is the only side that can win, I haven't said that. I said that only one side can win a war of attrition and by win I mean keeping Ukrainian territory which unfortunately seems inevitable unless there is even more support, particularly from Germany who are historically soft on Russia post WWII. France has also delivered a powerless Macron who was a major supporter of Ukraine. Obviously the US softening towards Putin's fanciful red lines is helpful to Ukraine but overall I believe far more support is needed, perhaps even direct NATO involvement for Ukraine to win the war.
I do hope Ukraine wins but since the push of Russians beyond Kherson and Kharkiv, I am far less hopeful for Ukraine than I was, particularly with the replacements in the Ukrainian military reportedly having the same damaging issues to morale as before. This is common in Russia but they have the number advantage and treat their soldiers like cannon fodder.
I do hope I'm wrong but unfortunately Russian weapons and men seem to be easily replaceable even if they aren't half as good as every Ukrainian soldier and weapon. When you have the number advantage, it does tend to prove to be difference albeit with some major exceptions.
So hard to know what's happening especially when it could be special forces sneaking ahead and ambushing. In this war of attrition 10km feels like impossible but then you realise a military jeap bombing down the road would do 10km in a few mins so who knows. Fingers crossed more gains .
Would be brilliant if they ended up capturing chunks of Belgorod, Kursk and Branysk oblasts. Could trade them for Kherson, Zaporozhye and Kharkiv 😂
Regardless it's fantastic. Let Russia ruin their own villages and farmland.
