yeah and the never were arsed travelling. Shocking support until a semi or final
This argument is going round in circles for years at this stage and at the same time the football championship is going down the toilet.
Firstly Dublin have an unfair advantage, which definitely wasn't helped by government funding, in that they have the playing population, the massive fanbase and they have the local financial clout in backing clubs and resources.
Added to that they have all their players and other resources like medical and rehabilitation in small geographic area which most other counties do not.
Frankly arguing that they don't have all these advantages is idiotic.
And yes the arguments Dubs make about other counties also have advantages over their neighbours holds true, but to a lesser extent.
Arguing that Mayo, Galway haven't advantages over Leitrim and Sligo is equally idiotic.
So unless we have splits and amalgamations then really the county model of championship is doomed as the gulfs between counties is growing year on year with Dublin being the most stark example of this.
And no counties wants to amalgamate no more than Dublin wants to split.
So what is the future?
I think ultimately the county model may be doomed and we have to resort somehow back to idea of club somehow.
The other thing that is now depressing is the state of the actual football game.
I tried to watch early part of Dublin-Meath and after a while it was just plain old boring.
Even Dublin with the calibre of forwards they have were trying to work the ball into positions where they couldn't miss.
Players of the past like Maurice Fitzgerald, Ciaran McDonald, Colm Corkery would probably be shot for taking on a long range efforts.
It is now keep ball and bloody boring.
Oh yeah I know some people who revel in analysing the tactics, but really who wants to watch 10 or 20 hand passes with the odd kick pass of 10 or 20 yards when the ball is out near the half way line.
I know this is a different argument, but the actual game needs serious review if people are to not tune out altogether.
I am not being funny, I am deadly serious. If you truly want an equal game, then Kerry need to be split as well. Their unfair advantages have been in place for over 100 years.
Start with Kerry, see how it goes, and then we can split Dublin if it works. Kerry have won so many Munsters and All-Irelands that they won't mind missing out on a few, it should increase interest in Kerry because the divisional teams all have followings already. It would make the Munster Championship exciting.
is that why attendance are dying in the Munster championship?
Munster is a fair competition?
haaaaaahaaaaahaaaaahaaa
Kerry-84 Munster titles
Dublin -62 Leinster titles
And a long list of helping hands that have been given to Kerry to get to that point. A long list that you continue to ignore while spoofing that you’ve addressed them. Meanwhile the attendances at Munster championship games resemble a wake and you expect the Dubs to subsidise the apathy of your province by filling Croker. and you want to tell us Dublin is the problem. Pure fantasy. Get your own house in order first.
Ahh FFS there is a hell of a difference of Kerry people not travelling from Dingle, Kenmare, Tralee, Killarney to Croke Park in Dublin for a match and dubs not walking down the road to a match.
sure they’ve won a stack of them fairly already. Don’t you be worrying your head about them, I’m sure Stephen Cluxton, James McCarthy and Mick Fitzsimons all sleep very soundly with their record nine all Ireland medals, each one won fairly in spite of the bitterness of some rival fans. I suspect they sleep better than you actually as you toss and turn worrying about your counties place on the roll of honour and how to gerrymander success for Kerry.
but they’re just good right 😉
Very bitter anti Dublin crazy old men shouting at the wind 😂
Agreed. Couple of anti Dublin begrugers, need to get off the Internet for a while and get a bit of fresh air.way to much time on their hands. Anyway as they say on the dragons den... I am out also.
Dont think it ever had momentum, and there is no way it can be said to be for 'the good of the game'. It can be for the good of attendances for a handful of championship matches.
My own view fwiw is that the All Ireland championships is a small part of what the GAA is about, the game is absolutely thriving at club level - far from the crisis that some punters would have us believe.
Where did i imply that Kerry have a population advantage ? Oh and i am very serious , please stop being anti Dublin and make an argument how to solve all the issues thanks .
You are right in the sense that the momentum for a split is just not there at the moment. It was building in 2019-20, there was a lot of attention to Dublin's unfair advantages both in general discussions but also discussions on the Sunday Game, Prime Time etc. but it has died off for now. Doesn't mean it shouldn't happen though, for the good of the game.
lads - regardless, this is just like a bunch of crazy old men shouting at the wind.
Nobody in the GAA is having any sort of conversation about splitting Dublin. It wont be done.
I'll exit at this point :-)
You are not being serious. Kerry is smaller in population than Cork or Limerick, no rational person could imply that they have a population advantage.
Munster is still a fair competition though. While the results may be skewed, it is not because of unfair advantages of the likes Dublin enjoy in Leinster (population, funding, playing at home etc). So while provincials should be scrapped, it is not a patch on the issues in Leinster. It's also been far, far more competitive than Leinster over the last 10 years. Another issue is that not splitting Dublin actually impacts all the other provincial competitions as well. The damage to the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition that come from not splitting Dublin are reducing interest and participation in counties outside of Leinster as well, as ultimately all provincials feed into, and are part of the All-Ireland. So splitting Dublin would yield benefits in the other provincials too. It may be marginal at first but the gains will be larger over the years.
It's not actually relevant where he's from as arguments stand on their own merits. But in this case you already know the answer- yes, he is from a county that would benefit from Dublin being split, as all counties benefit! So if he is from Dublin or Leitrim or any one in between, he is from a county that benefits from Dublin being split.
As I've shown numerous times- as no other team other than Dublin is unfairly advantaged, no proposal can impact any advantages, as they don't exist. But other reforms such as abolishing the provincials, voluntary amalagamations may help the competition as a whole. But only after Dublin are split. As Dublin's dominance from a platform of unfair advantages is the biggest issue facing the GAA, there is the most urgency to address it.
I am worried though. Think of the Dublin players- I want them to have them to have the option of winning an All-Ireland fairly. They can't achieve this dream without being split.
hahaha you can only Laugh.
Darragh O’Se , a legend of the game, lamenting the Munster championship over in the Irish Times this morning. That tallies with years of reports lamenting drops in attendance. Yet we have posters here telling us the Dubs should be filling Croker That used to be a game that any Cork fan could at least dream about. Kerry have well and truly killed the Munster championship by this stage. Yet we have posters who won’t even countenance rotating Kerry and Dublin between Leinster and Munster
apparently everything’s grand apart from Dublin. The rest are “Just good”
In your opinion Kerry does not need to be split , i disagree Kerry have totally dominated Munster for over a century , which has helped them win 38 All irelands with unfair advantages , please make an argument about how to deal with All the issues ,plenty of posters cared where he was from as it showed he wants Dublin split to help Kerry , i also care where your from as it would appear you have a hidden agenda /interest in splitting Dublin only , and have zero interest in helping the weaker Counties and indeed having a fairer system for all Counties .
Kerry does not need to be split, so who cares where he was from?
Please make an argument about how to deal with the issue without ad hominem comments about where other posters are from.
Would it possibly be a County that would benefit from Dublin being split i wonder ?🙄
The Kerry poster hid this for years lol…….
"Stop the whataboutery," says the lad who brings the DUP into the tread. what part of the country are you from yourself?
Kerry have won a ridiculous 82 Munster titles and 38 All Ireland titles total domination , stop the anti Dublin nonsense and propose a solution to deal with all the problems in the GAA . What County are you from Charles ?
Dublin has the population of a province, nobody else has. Deal with that first, and then look at any other possible changes also. Stop the whataboutery and propose a solution to this first.
You’re “ open to other proposals”. -Yet your not open to anything that might impact your own team’s advantages
strange that
or maybe not so strange looking at how you argue on this thread
oh don’t worry about us, we’re doing just fine! Well satisfied with all the (many) fairly won titles over the past few years. Well proud of the teams who won them fairly on the pitch
You realise "they're just good!" is your argument. Let's ignore the population advantage. Let's ignore the funding from the GAA, the government and sponsors. Let's ignore playing all finals and semi-finals at home. It's ridiculous even on the face of it, which is probably why some Dublin supporters try to introduce countless irrelevant red herrings to try and divert the debate from its purpose of discussion (stated in the title i.e., "The dominance of Dublin GAA"). We are open to other proposals. While reform should start with splitting Dublin, as it is the single most beneficial thing the GAA can do to help all counties, it shouldn't end there. There are lots of areas of agreement- scrapping provincials, voluntary amalgamation, equalising funding etc. But without a split of Dublin, none of those measures will make much of an impact.
I'll remind you that I am one of the few people in this discussion who is actually proposing measures to help Dublin! And none of the current sitation is Dublin's fault, so it's hard to get annoyed there. I am annoyed at the GAA though. Dublin fans should be too- missing the opportunity to feel the great sense of satisfaction that comes from winning a title fairly is just one of the reasons Dublin supporters should also be advocating for a split.
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