How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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The previous pension arrangements for any civil or public servant are completely irrelevant to everyone. There is ZERO chance of them ever being returned to those levels.
“Take the much worse pension so”. No one has any choice here.
Obviously anybody can look for whatever deal they think they can get, but a little realism is needed too
Surly everyone has avc pension set up and not going to rely on the HSE pension Because your in for a shock if you do
You'll have to wait and see. I read a report on an actuarial study done for one of the unions and it was calculated that the new entrant these days would have to live to be 96 to take more from their pension than they actually put in. This is no surprise when you look at the pension deductions in your pay slip.
Yeah how could I care about what a pension was before I decided to join. Mine won’t be a few thousand more.
So you couldn't care less what the pension was before 2011? Take the much worse post 2011 pension so - a pension based on average career earnings which averages out (at present) at a few thousand more than the state OAP pension.
Yeah, Im 35+ years from retirement. I've no issue with the pension. Its what I signed up for. I have other options (like everyone) if I want to increase the amount I retire on.
I’m a post 2011 entry, I knew exactly how the scheme worked before I joined. Couldn’t care less what it was before. That decision was on me. 97% of people don’t understand maths, big call that. Even the perennial moaners who work less than half the year the vote was in the 80%s.
So he's a post 2011 entry? lol.
Some people cannot be saved.
The only people who could be happy with this deal are people who don't understand mathematics and/or have never heard of inflation. Take a trip to any supermarket. . . the price of food has skyrocketed and, what's more, it's staying at that price. When we hear of inflation is coming down it means it's comng down relative to the large increases which have already occurred.
think that poster is 35 years from retirement. Seems like 97% of people assessed their own situation and was happy with the deal.
"I can only view it through my own lens". . . Says it all really. Nearing retirement and looking after number 1
Absolutely Bren, ignore that nonsense post.
In other news AHCPS result is in.
97% for.
This is going to be the most supported ps pay deal that's ever been voted on
AHCPS approval 97 4% in favour, which is higher than I expected tbh
A PO salary at 27 and you don't have to manage anyone - the dream! Are you hiring? :) think there is probably jealousy on this thread bren, ignore it
I don’t manage anyone. I started in my job aged 27. There’s no “I got mine” mentality. There’s no “pulling up the ladder behind me”, it’s in the exact same place it was. The pension is identical today as it was when I started.
I don’t concern myself with COs, HEOs or any of that because I’m not a civil servant. The terms are largely meaningless to me.
my point was that the gutting of the pension doesn’t impact my mentality on deals. I joined after it happened. I still will retire with a decent pension, * I * can’t complain.
Average upper management mentality, I got mine so if you're a CO, EO or even a HEO hard luck enjoy living off scraps when you're a pensioner LOL
Im not civil service but yep, I jumped very young to a job with an equivalent pay scale alright. I just need to do it for another 35+ years or so.
I can’t complain about the pension. It’s fine for me and I vote accordingly.
Jesus, 40k on the new pension?
That would mean, you'd need to be an PO or higher for alot of your career.
(Using the Single Scheme calculator to estimate)
There absolutely isn’t. The “old” civil service is long gone. People come and go between public and private sector now depending on their own circumstances and options. The idea that there’s a strong enough tie to the civil service for those “new” recruits that they would sustain a new union is fantasy IMO.
It’s why the public v private sector arguments that pop up on here all time are complete rubbish. There might have been a case for it 30+ years ago but now, the public service is open and for many, it’s just a part of their working career
No, I’m not a CO and I’m not a Civil Servant (public but I don’t think that matters). Why does this thread immediately revert to “what about the COs?” They’re one group.
I can only view it through my own lens, I’ll retire on 40k+ (inclusive of the state pension of course) with a lump sump of over 100k.
Most of my friends in the private sector my age have no pension yet and would pay through the roof for the equivalent.
It’s not a bad pension. It’s just not as good as it was before.
You're clearly not a CO then - many will struggle to get out more than they paid in - and the government is counting on people not looking at the longer term implications of shite pay deals.
The young people voted through this deal too.
I was hired after 2013. The gutting of the pension and the introduction of ASC doesn’t bother me at all. It’s not something I’d strike over. The pension seems reasonable. I also don’t have a separate scale like teachers.
The current Unions cater for this cohort already imo.
There is totally room in the space for a union that exclusively caters to people hired after the recession hiring freeze / post pension getting gutted.
The Civil Service is still 2 entirely different worlds and economic situations with that old guard still a far away majority.
Thanks. Local Government.
Think this depends on particular department you work in, it varies
Love to know what it is you're laughing at.
Enjoy your continuing long term drop in living standards.
Voted No. Now that the results are known when does the pay increase and back pay hit our accounts?
The majority of people have looked at their own situation and decided this was an acceptable deal for them.
I think that's got to be respected. Those that don't agree need to decide how much they don't agree. There are options available oviously.
If down the line these changes reduce the liklihood of people joining the public and civil service the state will need to contine to review.
It's not hard to see why a lot of people would accept a 9 percent pay increase over the course of 3 years......
Love this line.
I believe in collective action, but only when the majority agree with me.
Disappointed but not surprised at how easily this passed. Not a bit of fight in anyone. Not looking forward to all the extra work under the guise of ‘new initiatives’ that will be coming our way.
Looks like 94% of the ballot didnt understand inflation and a real term paycut. 🤣
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