And that case is only one of his, add in the others, the businesses he bullied in to kicking up to him to keeping him off their backs, honest people and on and on and on.
I wonder will we hear anymore about this case now that Gerry O Carroll has passed or will it just remain a mystery?
I don’t know how the real parents can face their friends, neighbours, coworkers, their adult children, extended family members after keeping this a dark secret for so long .. surely they must be facing serious questions from people who know them? I can’t imagine how the adult children of the couple feel… to find out your parents had a secret child that was brutally murdered 😱
Any update on this case? Investigation, tribunal, enquiry, criminal investigation etc? Not even a new inquest?
Its as if the case is being buried now that we know its a Garda family.
Surely there should be a murder investigation? Shouldnt GSOC be involved?
now that we know its a Garda family.
Do we know it's a Garda family?
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/kerry-babies-baby-john-probable-mum-is-late-gardas-daughter/a2135900955.html
Speculation
Sure what do you want to know?
It's an open investigation and two people were arrested 12 months ago
Dunno where you're coming up with theories that it's 'being buried'
The truth.
The arrested couple should be named and shamed, they deny the murder but what do they think happened their baby and not wondering when a murdered baby the same age in the same area is found
It's an open investigation. Gardai do not give out details of open investigations
Looks like Jim Sheridan wants to make lots of money from the tragedy...
You are probably correct, as I have been told Joanne Hayes wants to forget about the whole thing, even when articles are about her innocence.
I wonder will we hear much coming up to the 40th anniversary? Like an appeal for information or people to come forward that may know anything.
The couple and their lawyer seem to be clutching at straws. Comes across as trying everything to delay the investigation.
The victim could be celebrating his fortieth birthday this weekend but instead the arrested couple's solicitor now denies that they are his parents.
It is amazing that a solicitor who has been all over the media for the past year complaining about the Gardai waited until now to drop this bombshell. He means that the couple always rejected the results of the forensic lab's DNA tests. Up to now, he has been arguing that the DNA did not prove murder (which is true, but it would not be credible to claim the parents had no knowledge of their infant's murder). Now he offers a totally different defence - that the "purported DNA" tests were wrong.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/kerry-babies-couple-at-centre-of-baby-john-case-have-heard-nothing-since-release-last-year-solicitor-says/a354326153.html
from one of the articles above it mentions that it’s only via a court that it can be “proven” that they are the parents - so obviously a legal technicality here .
Gardai are apparently still ongoing with the investigation and have said they’ll submit a file once ready - who knows that could be this year or two years time- all depends on what work they’re doing and the challenges of doing that investigation.
As for who killed this poor baby, it doesn’t seem likely that anyone will be charged - a number of different scenarios could have played out at the time - I think it’s likely there is a person or persons still alive today who know what happened and why - but without their statement I don’t see this progressing to a murder trial
This is the problem with a solicitor acting as a PR agent. Is he making a legal point - that the burden of proof remains with the Gardai or is he making a public statement on behalf of his clients to deny that they are the parents? The newspaper report, naturally, takes the latter approach.
Either way, we have the absurdity of a woman saying - "prove to me that I gave birth" and, if the DNA proves she's the mother, she says "I don't know anything about how my baby was massacred within days of its birth".
Indeed - take a general scenario not related to this case of course as an illustrative example -baby given up for adoption at birth - parents assume all is well and that baby was adopted somewhere in the world -
I could imagine many scenarios in which the parents did not murder this baby. I cannot imagine any scenario in which they could not help the investigating Gardai.
If you’re given legal advice the general consensus would be to take it - there’s lots of things people may naturally “wish” to do, but may not always be in their best legal interests to do so - especially if they are a line of enquiry in a murder investigation
interesting
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/forty-years-of-secrets-kerry-babies-couple-deny-dna-proves-they-are-parents-of-murdered-child/a1245987858.html “Their home was “turned upside down and inside out” during a garda search, he says. Wallpaper was stripped off the walls and floorboards were taken up. He does not know what items, if any, were removed from the home.”
I can, a scenario in which the two involved murdered a child and are desperate to avoid spending the rest of their days behind bars.
The solicitor really isn’t doing them much favours. I understand his job is to represent his clients and put doubt on the investigation but if DNA has confirmed they are the parents then I’m not sure how they can walk away from this without at least acknowledging that was their baby. I just don’t understand as a parent how you could not want to resolve your child’s death and give them a proper name and identity. Wasn’t it also reported that it was a sibling of Baby Johns who provided the DNA to the gardai? If so, why would they have done that unless someone revealed something or the sibling became aware somehow?
The Guards voluntarily obtained DNA samples from locals to try to identify baby John, I don't think his older brother was aware they were related.
Baby John had an older brother?
"Now he offers a totally different defence - that the "purported DNA" tests were wrong."
It would be very easy to prove they weren't wrong.
Up until now I believe the story was that they didn't admit to being the parents, which is different to denying the fact.
O'Connel strikes me as a Gerry O'Carroll type.
Definitely, the more and more I see/hear the guy the more my dislike of him grows.
He had two brothers but the indo article doesn't say if they are younger or older.
Think that's a typo.
It was a full siblings DNA that led them to the couple.
So they obviously remained together after baby John and went on to have more children.
Call be skeptical, but I believe the family were targeted.
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