This. We’ve been talking for 3 months about how the mass market haven’t followed the early adopters, and the numbers bear that out. I’m not going to lie though, I wasn’t expecting this slight reversal in market share, esp when you could see in the BYD thread that it was clearly selling well.
are the EV6 and Ioniq 5 drop in deliveries driven by supply issues, or demand?
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121706592/#Comment_121706592
We'd usually get more than 3 hours of motorway driving before needing to charge, but admittedly wouldn't get more than 3 and a half hours.
I was talking to a friend recently whose job takes him to all parts of the country weekly. Was previously driving a 520D, 2 years ago he switched to an ID.4. He said he's had to wait only once at a charger. In the nature of his job, he will often need to stay overnight rather than returning same day, so will always go for somewhere with destination charging. I asked if any of his customers provided charging for visitor parking and he said no, not even big customers with 30 chargers in staff parking. To me, that seems a bit narrow minded, and perhaps there needs to be some carrot provided by the state if companies themselves aren't prepared to facilitate EV-driving visiting reps.
Agree fully about the vans, what's the longest range small work van available?
Tesla haven’t delivered any M3’s in 2024 yet. They are all due this month.
The Seal launched back in September 2023. First delivery’s only in January. They still have loads of deliveries. Waiting for registrant collection.
I'm shocked 379 people bought an ID4 when the new one is coming in March.
Another thing to consider is that it's no longer an advantage to buy an EV if you install solar panels on the roof.
Price is honestly all that matters when you’re on the VW PCP roundabout. People being told it’ll be more expensive if they wait I guess
Sorry your right, I had a filter set on Dublin and forgot to unset.
There was an increase in share in Dublin
Interesting - so Dublin makes the overall numbers look better, considering the disproportionate number of EVs registered there, and market share outside Dublin is down a not insignificant amount
Dublin registrations were 44% of the market last year, so it makes sense that higher EV penetration in Dublin will impact the rest of the country. Cork was 11%.
Outside of Dublin January has gone from 12.41% to 11.15% with a 6.63% increase in EVs sold, versus an overall increase in sales of 18.7%.
56.7% of cars were non plug in petrols. I guess we can take some solace that the love affair with diesel appears to be ending.
It mightnt seem like much, but 12.4% to 11.1% is a 10% fall in EV marketshare outside of Dublin.
I was honestly expecting 18-20% EV marketshare nationwide today, not 13%.
im going to wildly speculate that EV registrations for company cars & taxis are probably the same year on year, as they always were for ICE cars too over the years, ans it’s private buyers of EVs where the real drop is
That's not how percentages work, it's a 1.3% drop in market share. It would have been ridiculous to say that EVs had a 3939% increase in market share between 2017 and 2023.
Few years back we had a discussion about how are EV distributed by County. So I have scrapped the data which I keep updated.
The sales figures
and per capita
The data is an accumulation of all new regs from 2008 onward. Population figures are from the last census.
@waterwelly - "EV Sales are stagnant. Toyota are laughing all the way to the bank with their "self charging" electric cars"
Haha, do you really believe this? Toyota are in very serious trouble and too big for the Japanese state with their dire finances, to bail out should they need it in a few years time
Agree
Which is a bit mad considering overall sales are up 15%, it's been the best year for January sales since 2019
I'm just referring to the Irish Market and Toyota dealers here.
Obviously we are nothing more than a backwater for Toyota worldwide.
That’s the bit I can’t understand. I’ve seen more 241 Porsches on Tik Tok than VW on the road!
I wonder are many dealer registrations?
Wow. I need to drive in different places :-)
Maybe it's all the journo's trying to manufacturer an EV sales drop headline and they're sick of being called out by actual numbers 😉
I have seen very few new cars on the road yet, I wonder are these stats new cars that have been registered but haven't been collected yet?
That’s part of my thinking too. Sitting on forecourt as demos or similar.
Or maybe I live in a ghetto 😂
Infrastructure is going to be vital.....
Someone mentioned that a Dublin rep could do 700 kms in a day which is 437 miles in a day.
Bjorn Neyland has shown in Norway already that you can do 1000 kms in an EV at an average speed of over 62.5 mph - including each charge stop.
That's with the superior infrastructure that Scandinavian countries have
You'd manage that on the mainland also.
I wonder was the 3 model 3's dealer registrations? Something is better than nothing I suppose.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Could you post that in a coherent manner? I’ve no idea what you’re actually saying.
He asked if the 3 model 3 registrations in January were demo model registrations.
I’d assume no way of knowing that?
But knowing Tesla don’t keep used cars on their lot would suggest they were customer purchases from inventory. Also, no benefit for Tesla to register the older shape car for demo purposes when the new shape is here. But again, no way of 100% knowing that so I’m guessing like everyone else.
All the new refresh Model 3’s are sitting in NVD awaiting registration, along with loads of BYD Seals.
Toyota had record sales and record profits worldwide last year. Biggest manufacturer on both metrics by some distance.
Their next gen EV's start arriving from 2026/27 onwards. Longer range, shorter charging time. Right now, they are sitting pretty but they do need that next gen of EV's to be competitive or they could be in trouble by 2030.
I must say I’d thought before yesterdays numbers that 241s were very popular.
re the Weckler article, like all editorials, he’s not wrong, it’s just the interpretation.
personally I’d only view EV adoption in terms of marketshare of new registration (and overall share of the national fleet), and not the absolute numbers. In which case EV sales have indeed ‘stalled’.
lets face it, none of us expected EV marketshare of 13% versus 13.4% last year, we were expecting far more. And there’s so many more drivers of EV sales this year versus last year too, esp with more options, lower prices, higher availability, and so on.
look at it this way - imagine what the Jan 2024 EV sales would’ve looked like if everything was the same as Jan 2023? They’d be significantly lower. ID4’s for €55-60k anyone?
