How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
Can you explain what you meant regarding the toll charges being excluded from TandS please
Maybe things have changed, but it was always specified to me in the past in travel policy documents that the standard CS mileage rates included tolls and parking, and these couldn't be claimed separately.
Here's an old Boards discussion on this point;
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2056649221/mileage-rates
Here's the wording from one policy I found;
"Civil service rates are used to cover costs associated with using one’s private transport on a business journey (including fuel, tax and insurance, toll charges, wear and tear, maintenance, etc.) and meals and accommodation costs while away from one’s normal place of residence."
They certainly wouldn't have been claimable, and I've explicitly rejected claims that included tolls or parking in the past.
Having said that, it looks like this isn't the case for all public bodies. I'd have thought it would be the case for all Civil Service bodies at a minimum.
What route people take is their own business. They get to claim mileage for the most direct route.
See explanation above. But as the post that refers to lies predates my post about toll charges, it certainly not what salonfire was referring to.
Any update on the talks today?
Jeez, you'll hardly find out on this thread. But if you're looking for innane, petty arguments of the he-said, she-said variety you've come to the right place.
I know, it was worth a try! The thread has been disappointing to say the least, constant arguments from grown adults. Now we’re on to the tolls
What's there to discuss? There's nothing on the new deal.
I got an email from SIPTU earlier saying the deal is far apart and to email it to non-union members. You wanna discuss that?
Uh, this is an update - "deal is far apart".
And discussing updates, rumours and speculation is, in fact, the purpose of the thread. Logging in for a moan as some people (ahem, ahem) do, is not.
I reckon 8.5% spread over 2 years will be the final agreement. I imagine we won't get there yet. First the talks will have to break down, suggestions of potential industrial action after Christmas, parties back in talks by February, deal by April.
Obviously, I'd prefer a better percentage sooner.
I'm a bit surprised neither side has leaked anything yet. Maybe that's positive?
If the offerings are awful one of the unions might be tempted to leak a figure to add a bit of pressure.
But I don't know. Maybe that's just wishful thinking!
I could, maybe, live with 8.5%. I was hoping for 10% though.
Considering how much we've all lost to inflation over these past couple years I would not be happy with 8.5% personally. I think 10% would be alright. Any deal longer than 2 years would also be a disaster in my opinion.
What exactly have I moaned about?
what else do you have to add on the two sides being far apart?
My prediction is a 3 year deal with 7.5% increase.
I'll guess 2 years, 6.5%
I'd reject both those offers.
Reject them two deals absolutely.
1 year deal I think they would do 5%.
2 years I don't see them going to double digits, but I think it's 8% at least.
3 years, don't see this as an option to be honest, but I think between 11 and 12%.
I think there's an element of back pay from inflation as well.
I can’t see 11 or 12% as much as I’d love to.
Three year deal must be 3% a year easy. Then add in back pay from inflation. Plus beating inflation to improve the wages of PS going forward. I don't see three years at all, no chance, but if it is, there's no way it's less than 10%. In fact 12% should be baseline for 3 years. I think the unions know that too.
Just a quick reminder for @salonfire that I'm waiting for you to clarify what lies you're accusing me of please.
Can ye take it to pm so the rest of us don't have to read your sh1te
Sunday morning and ready for a scrap on boards haha. Back on topic
It kind of leaked beforehand , well if you believe the mirror's sources haha. They said the unions would initally pitch for 10% but its more likely to be 6-8%.
It didn't leak. That article in the mirror was garage. The source was unconnected to the negotiations and was an industry douce saying oh wages are going up 6 to 8 to 10%. Are they talking 1 or 2 or 3 years? It's a rubbish article from 4 weeks ago before talks began
I literally said before the talks began lol. How do you know the source was unconnected to the negotations? They seemed to know that the initial ask would be 10%.
min wage rising 12.8% this year alone
plenty of examples of costs out there still rising e.g. another 9.5% rise in car tolls January
a short deal is needed to offset recent substantial rises in inflation
I still cannot believe that people are thinking that the new Pay Deal will be near double figures! With Prudent Paschal and Mighty Michael McG handling the purse strings you will be lucky to get 6% over 3 years MAXIMUM.More likely to be a 3% for year 1 and a 1% for year 2 and possibly same for year 3 if its a 3 year deal.
To be honest about it we know that we have been very badly hit over the past few years but ask yourselves is putting wages up by stupid % the answer?
Definitely not.
The issues that need sorting are : housing,the political party that sorts this will be in power for the next 50 years.
Inflation is coming down,isnt it amazing and coincidental that the pay talks start in earnest when the annual inflation figure plummets!
We would all rather a nil pay increase if the cost of living came down,housing was provided,companies such as Utilities and Insurance stopped price gouging...........
I think you can speak for yourself there.
We got 7.5% over 18 months in the last deal, there would be an all out strike with the above proposal I believe.
I was talking to a friend this morning who works in the private sector.
He is getting 5% this January and 5% the January after.
12-13.5% over 36 months as a guess...or 9% over 24 months. Although Forsa will argue for a lump sum for those earning under a certain amount in addition.
@ethical Deferring an increase is not going to sort the housing crisis nor bring prices down on insurance etc so while it is an honourable outlook the reality is far different and wont pay bills. Private sector pay has outstripped public sector pay in most areas. I concur with bren2001 when they say that if the offer is on the low side there will be a strike if it comes to that. I dont think it will hopefully.
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