How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I'm not advocting for a pay rise.Id advocate that we shouldn't get an effective pay cut. I thought that was your position too.
The only difference is I factor in the energy credits. You dont.
There's really no point in going in circles. I've laid out my position and it's not for you. That's the purpose of a forum.
Edit: I also fully expect that the deal won't meet my slightly lower expectations anyway and I'll be voting no alongside you and others here.
Your comparing a negotation for a single person and an entire workforce. That makes no sense.
If an employee walked into my office and said give me a pay rise of X percent because of inflation, I'd immediately counter with energy credits. Any employer would. It's the logical counter.
You don't just negotiate on the basis of inflation however.
It's pretty obvious that there are sectors of the public and civil service that are losing good staff and/or not able to attract the staff it needs to function for a variety of reasons. Pay is one. Without ever looking at inflation you have to see that changes made to pension schemes(as on example) are something that have drastically effected retention and enticement rates into the PS/CS and there's been no change made to bases salaries to compensate for this loss of benefits.
This directly impacts on the services the state provides and is one example of why negotions need to focus on a number of things.
Unions are extremely poor. We are paying teachers an absolute pittance for the demands of the job with all austerity measures (e.g. Croke Park) introduced since 2008 still in place.
You'd want to be crazy to enter the public sector these days.
The logical counter is to piss your employee off rather than reach some sort of agreement?
You're a big baby - that's what you are.
I agree with all of that. However, the general vibe on here is that the deal should equal inflation. My posts are largely in response to those calling for that and those saying budgetary measures should be excluded.
Plenty of areas just require increases irrespective of opinions to be competitive. IT and teachers being two of many.
If posting my opinion is being a big baby, ok?
I'm guessing you've never negotiated a pay rise in industry. They don't just give employees what they want.... Most pay rises come from switching companies....
Public sector employees also have clearly defined scales to go up. In the private sector, you usually don't. You're conflating a lot into your example which doesnt make sense to do.
The "defined" scale I'm on in the public sector has me on the same wage for the past 4 years. I go up the scale but the wage remains the same. In these inflationary times that's AKA as a pay cut.
By all means privatise education and health if you want and I'll go in and negotiate my salary with whatever private business owns the schools.
As if you've ever been a manager/employer in any sector
In the private sector I'd have my full pay from day 1 not after 10 years
You've absolutely no idea nor is it in any way relevant.
You've a very abrasive style. I'm not going to insult you nor engage any further best of luck.
Argue the points.
Erm, that's not true but you're not going to accept that. As you gain experience, you get increases.
No you don't. I worked long enough in the private sector. Your salary is your salary unless you move role or there is a renegotiation (individually or through union). You'll, potentially, have performance related pay increases which are wholly at the discretion of the manager.
You're making things up and/or making statements about areas you clearly have no knowledge in, they are not "points"
No negotiation, in the private, would ever reference temporary government benefits.
No, do these energy credits go towards my pension?
They're hypothetical. Of course it's made up. I was responding to a ridiculous comparison. The response is equally as ridiculous.
Best of luck. I've no interest engaging with yourself.
A forum is about differing opinions but you just make it petty. Youre right. I'm right. We're all right because they're **** opinions.
No, I've actual experience in this and you're throwing out nonsense.
If these credits are to be taken into consideration, do they contribute to my pension?
I also have experience. of course, yours is more important and relevant. You literally know nothing about me or my experience.
You know the answer to your leading question.
Best of luck, enjoy your Saturday night.
So I know the answer, so do you.
It does nothing for the pension which means pension payments will have permanently reduced value
He can fupp off, those measures apply to everyone and as you rightly point out, welfare recipients are doing better than workers. I've no problem with setting decent welfare rates but c'mon.
Thanks again for your oh so helpful hot take
There are teachers working in schools and they're getting paid a little above the social welfare jobseekers allowance (after deductions) for a full weeks work
We've lost the plot as a country.
I'd be much happier with no energy credits and a wage that isn't effectively losing value year on year.
Were we supposed to get an increment in October 2023?
There was a general increase of 1.5% or €750, whichever was greater on 01/10/2023. Your increment is a separate thing personal to you.
Sorry I meant the general increase, I guess it's just slow to process, like everything
Hasn't being paid to a lot yet iam still waiting,was told it will be in November
This is a lie.
A teacher with 15/16 years experience is among the top 20% of earners in the country. Over a 40 year career, the teacher will be comfortably within the top 20% for 25 years of their working life.
Teachers with less than 15 years can get closer to the top 20% through schemes like July Provision, supervision and marking of exams.
Teachers starting at 40k+ are significantly higher than the average starting salaries, https://gradireland.com/careers-advice/career-ideas/what-job-sectors-pay-best-graduate-salaries
This year’s survey reveals that the average salary on offer to graduates is €31,938, up from an average of €30,409 in last year’s report.
Despite the spin and lies such as this being posted online, it seems school leavers are able to see past it. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/latest-cao-figures-show-a-bounce-in-demand-for-teaching-courses/a251524150.html
Teaching courses have seen a bounce in interest since the spring, according to the latest CAO figures.
More demand is evident for degree programmes leading to a career in primary or post-primary teaching following the CAO ‘change of mind’ process.
Lots of people apply to be teachers, fewer graduate, fewer still take up teaching at all and many of those who do leave the profession within a few years.
Back that up with some evidence please
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