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Kormac - The Templar
From what I have seen putin has already committed political and military suicide in invading Ukraine's internationally agreed borders. I don't think it will take them 10 years to take back the land stolen by putin's forces but there has been no credible evidence that NATO or the EU would reduce support to Ukraine even if it took them that long to regain the land that is rightfully part of Ukraine. putin might have got away with what he took in 2014 but now it is clear to NATO and EU member states that he can't be trusted to stop his empire building. To not support Ukriane would simply cost more for the EU and NATO.
The losses the Ukrainians have inflicted on putin's forces have been a very effective way of improving the security of NATO and EU member states. There has been lots of comment on how they are only getting enough help to slowly bleed out the forces of putin but this also is in their interest as they need to teach putin and his supporters that empire building is already political and military suicide. That lesson is bigger than lines on a map but at the same time there is no reason the internationally agreed borders should not continue to be the point where putin's empire ends in my opinion.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4283716-reports-of-putins-death-might-not-be-greatly-exaggerated/
Kremlinology (Crimeanlogy?) Today
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And that, in turn, means that the post-Putin power struggle has already broken out, even if the real Putin is still alive. It’s broken out because the elites, both those supporting Putin and those opposing him, believe that Putin is too enervated, too weak or too politically moribund to make a difference.
Google normally has it but not in this case.
Did Obama requote it ?Doesn't sound like him.
Biden said recently that the US is the indispensable country, its antonym is dispensable which would be all other countries......
no, yes, yes.
A wise man once said “When virtue tarries, evil smiles”.
Bonus internet points if you know who he is 🤣
Even with 20-30 years, I also feel that the Russian Federation's abilites to create military hardware can't even muster itself to the level of even being a pale shadow of its former Soviet self. The Soviet Union had the legs to build up it's military arsenal because they knew that in an open war they would have to rely upon their own domestic logistics chain to keep things going.
But that was before the Soviet Union began to decay, and ultimatly led to a Russian Federation that spent decades neglecting much of what was built before, and also had become reliant on an Western supply-chain. Much of which they are now cut off from.
As I've mentioned in posts before, time is Russia's greatest foe now. The longer they are left out in the cold like this, that harder it will be for them to eventually turn things around.
I have to agree the US is indeed drip feeding just enough to Ukraine to keep this war going as long as possible to destroy the maximum Russian force possible.
Those humongous storage sites with artillery, APC's and tanks were always a problem for the West if they got into open warfare with Russia. By the time this war is over they'll be empty and Russia's missile and artillery shell dumps aswell.
Obviously Russia can rebuild over 20 or 30 years but it will cost them hugely not to mention rebuilding the lost aviation and naval assets. So Russia becomes a far lesser threat especially when they'll never rebuild their storage stockpiles to the humongous levels of the Soviet Union.
You think Putin be around in 10 years? Or a Russian economy or military??
where did I say that, I said earlier assume not to trust them, literally have a defense that makes further invasion political and military suicide, that doesnt change wherever the border is. there will be and end to this right? or do you see no agreement in 10 years time and Zel is still calling for an ultimate victory?
So no actual evidence.
USA is the supreme global power and they didn't become that by handing over weapons and money for when it's morally justified they do it when it they see a threat to their position. Ukraine is being fed just enough help to maximise the bleeding of russia, their greatest foe. There's probably a coefficient value calculated to represent a stalemate or loss on ukraines behalf and USA will keep that figure about +1. War is a heartless business especially when it's not your population dying for your gain.
But that’s the thing
your magical wishful proposal will not put an end but ensures that Russia invades again, like they done before
Im not sure that counts as magical, more unpleasant and possible end result.
The multiple C117s that deployed over the weekend to Jordan.....
Jordan asked 2 days ago for the US to deploy patriots, any evidence they have been delivered, let alone agreed to be deployed?
Magical scenarios such as Ukraine giving up a fifth of its country and millions of its people and kids for
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Russian promises
and that being one of the downsides, despite the hubris that the americans can walk and chew gum , the US will have allocation issues. The US kind of have one foot out the door in Ukraine already and Israel will be a much more important election issue so Israel are more likely to get 1st dibbs on what they want. As I believe Israel are going to stretch this out, it will be well into 2024 before a possible de escalation in the middle east.
thats lost on me Im afraid, tricky enough trying to figure out whats happening or going to happen without having to contemplate magical scenarios lol
The biggest issue is the lack of munitions and equipment needed to defeat Russia and expel their forces it took forever for 3 patriot batteries to arrive, meanwhile Jordan asked the US for patriots incase of a bigger conflict in the ME breaking out,they were delivered in days ,if Israel asked for Himars and atacms they will be able to ask for a number and get that number, Ukraine asks for weapons they get month's of debates followed on by here's a few do what you can ,
Hey your proposal might work if the Russians are willing to part with oh let’s say a few dozen ICBMs and hence offer a goodwill gesture that they will never invade what remains of Ukraine again
Ukraine used to be third largest nuclear arsenal and handed them over in return for Russian assurances after all.
What’s that I hear? You are not actually serious about peace??
indeed, I dont like using absolutes so 60% no change, 30% Russia makes a material advance 10% Ukraine does. There seems to be more downside risks for Ukriane though.
I think in 6 months the positions will be pretty much the same position unless something major actually changes on the ground ,
well, tag me in 6 months months and see who was right, we can then infer from the outcome which side were lying the most
I have zero sympathy for them. Anyone doing business with Russia, even before 2014, knew the risks they were taking.
I'd say that first off, the fact that it happened at all meant that Putin allowed it, and it made international news and was a clear signal to Putin's new found friends in Iran that "Russians" support them. Then the crackdown was for the benefit of the Israelis' that he will protect Jews, as he is trying to maintain a good working relationship with Putin, because ( up to now ) he (Putin) has ignored Israeli strikes in Syria. All that's changed now of course, and especially since Amir Weitmann head of the Libertarian Party in the Likud party went on Russian TV and publicly promised retribution to Russians who had helped Hamas.
Seize any assets remotely linked to the Russian mafia state
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