Look at the end of the day, the only way the war will end is through negotiations. Whether that’s today, tomorrow, next week, month or year.
I’ll be happy once it’s over and people can get back to some semblance of normality. Apparently that makes me some form of Putin supporter. The world is not black and white. There are shades of gray everywhere.
Ive been saying this for weeks , ramping up production for artillery won't reach maximum capacity until 2028 , Ive posted previous articles saying exactly this was going to happen,the several companies who produce shells are trying to supply NATO and Ukrainian but NATO orders will be getting Priority due to the shortages , NATO does not have unlimited supplies of munitions,and still only 7 Countries out of 30 are making the 2% gdp spending requirements for NATO ,but Ukraine are chewing through thousands of rounds of artillery week in and week out,
Well either you are a bullshitting Putin's useful idiot spreading disinformation (most likely) or you haven't a breeze about what is at stake for Ukraine and their only way of seeing a peaceful end to this.
Either way you are spouting waffle.
The thing is, what follows is that every time Russia chooses to invade a territory they get a favourable deal. You're also ignoring that there's gonna be a huge amount of animosity from Ukrainians towards Russia so it's unlikely that the public mood will favour handing over territories. The only favourable scenario in negotiations is Russia's immediate exit from the country and reparations for the war, that is not likely to happen.
You've also made pretty untruthful claims such as claiming Fico isn't pro Putin even though he's actively justified the war in recent weeks. That's not shades of grey, that's either ignorance or being dishonest.
How do you negotiate with someone who has proven they won't stick to an agreement? Ukraine gave up its soviet era nuclear weapons with an agreement with russia that their borders were to be respected yet now putin has taken part of Ukraine and sent hundreds of thousands of troops there to occupy the land they ceased or die trying to do so. I have read some of the weapons they gave up have actually been fired back at Ukraine by putin's forces just to make it even clearer that putin can not be trusted.
The idea that there was going to be a massive break in the moskovyte lines this summer and the occupying troops would be expelled quickly from Ukraine was a nice idea but I suspect Ukraine is aware that they need to destroy putin's war machine so it can't be used against them again and unfortunately I don't think that is going to be achieved very quickly. The Ukrainians are however making progress.
We’ll see how it ends. I’m guessing talks and agreements. You lads have some heroic victory over the Russians. Only one of us will be right.
The negotiation is Russia leaves.
If you want to engage in some good old-fashioned Russian Whataboutery what about the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who willingly defend their country? What about the millions who endure and are willing to see this through? Whataboutism - Wikipedia
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Explain what agreement can be reached with a country who sees Ukraine as a lost region of Russia, its leader writing a literal essay on the concept, without using ideas that amount to appeasement.
if you think that Ukrainians will accept any kid of " Deal" with the monster who has unleashed hell on their country, its you who needs to think again. If all support for Ukraine was to collapse in the morning ( it won't) and Putin rode into Kiev on his tanks in victory celebrations,, his hell would only be starting. In 10 years Russia was unable to subdue Afghanistan, and remember, his military had the full run of the Country on land and in the air. Yet they failed. And one of the reasons they failed was because the cost of keeping in Afghanistan the military to keep it subdued. It was driving Russia to bankruptcy. Another reason was the Nr of body bags coming home each week, and this was microscopic compared to the Nr of dead and injured Russian's that have and are coming back to Russia on a weekly basis from Ukraine. Ukraine will still be there and still Ukrainian long after Putin and his mafia thugs are long dead and gone. Puti bit off more than he can chew, and already the indigestion is settling in and eventually, it will kill him.
Cool. I guess we’ll see.
Lets see in 1 year the importance of artillery, no doubht it will still be important, but drones are coming ahead in leaps and bounds rapidly
Much cheaper and more accurate to send one drone instead of 4 shells
This war is constantly changing, not just this war but probably also wars in the future
Yes Putin's reign began in blood, continues in blood, and will end in blood. Seems to be the standard for Russian's.
Yeah and no ,
Drone is effective where and when you don't have to deal with electronic warfare systems,but when you have dedicated modem systems drones loose effectiveness,the fpv drones being used in Ukraine are operating on 2.5-5 GHz Radio, Jam those properly your drones become a paperweight, where 4 155mm do serious damage and you Can't jam them ,and while drones look like the future more and more counter drones are coming online , small drones have very limited operating times something like 25 minutes at most and that drops dramatically in cold weather
Air alerts and bavovnas in Sevastopol again. Good
Preparation for seaborne invasion?
Seaborne invasion ???
It is interesting that he says "we" got him in...we as in FSB.
It's well documented putin was put into power, it's been discussed time and time again on here
True and when you extend the argument the question becomes 'Is this really Putin's war or is he just a useful fanatic, fronting a sinister FSB war?' People say Putin went a bit crazy during lockdown and started a war. I think it is more complex than that.
The point now though is who controls who..??? Once Putin got his hands on the levers of power, did he lay down his authority on everyone, including the feared FSB? He certainly brought his FSB /KGB colleagues with him to the Kremlin anyway. So as he is still in power, it appears that he presently has their support. Time will tell
There is no point negotiating with Russia. Russia doesn't abide by its own agreements. Putin may not be immortal but there is no great appetite for a functional democratic society in Russia. Who comes after Putin will be just as bad or worse.
The only way Ukraine survives is for Russia to be completely broken or Russia to withdraw to its own borders while agreeing to hand over it's citizens involved in the multitude of war crimes committed by Russia; along with Russian assets being used to cover the reconstruction of the sovereign country it decided to invade. There is no happy ending here and no amount of Hellen Lovejoy esque wringing of hands will make it ok.
Since you are the preeminent poster on this thread championing negotations, what do you think a peace agreement will look like?
Just in broad terms? Will Ukraine give up territory? Will Russia have some other influence over their affairs? Who will pay for all the damage and destruction? Will people who commit war crimes be held accountable? Will Ukraine be guaranteed that its seabourne freight will not be interfered with?
Ive asked everyone who champions a negotatied peace but never get an actual answer - what do you see this peace actually looking like?
And Ive been saying for weeks that the big problem isnt that NATO countries cant produce enough shells, its that it isnt worthwhile scaling up to producing 5m dumb shells a year (which they could easily do if NATO countires really wanted to) its that no one wants to invest in the capacity to produce so many shells when, once the Russian war is over, demand will drop off a cliff for dumb munitions.
Arms manufacturers will produce enough shells so that in a worst case scenario they will keep producing them at the same rate for years to come, or they will produce them in accordance with existing capacity, or they will increase production if governments take the risk and invest or commit to long term large orders.
In reality, the difficulties in producing dumb shells can be compared to the supply constriction in the Vinyl records industry. Its not that they cant produce enough, its that they dont want to put significant investment into an old technology because of a sudden increase in demand for outdated tech.
Someone just as bad as Putin or worse.... This is what people say, but if I think about it, if that person exists, it begs the question why they haven't taken power already or are agitating for it in an effective way. They wouldn't be politely waiting in line. If they are, it strongly suggests they're under the yoke of Putin's political machine as much as anyone else is in Russia which isn't a great indicator of their ability to consolidate power.
As you know he's his one loyal army within the military,two main objective squash decent and keep him in power,
Has been rumours for weeks now (could be just fanciful or wishful thinking) that Ukraine would launch a large scale offensive by sea directly into Crimea itself.
There's a few names very important here. Putin is the mouthpiece. But these are the fanatics who drive what orders come from the Kremlin.
These are : Nikolai Patrushev
Sergei Naryshkin
Alexander Bortnikov
Sergei Shoigu
Bortnikov and Patrushev’s sons have become powerful Russian officials. Dmitry Patrushev is Russia’s minister for agriculture and Denis Bortnikov is the deputy president and chairman of the state-run VTB Bank’s management board.
Mafias.
Edit: if you wanted change in Russia. Target those names above and maybe leave the husk of Putin.
But on that there's literally only a handful of companies who actually produce shells one particular company in Norway didn't receive any orders from the Norwegian military for something like 10 years,I don't know how many times we've had people on here telling us the whole of western military industry has massively ramped up production because we were on a war footing,and yet we have shortages across the board,
Wishful thinking or too much time on social media
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