How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Well the unions need to do our bidding and make the Dublin allowance happen. When you've teachers and nurses relocating down the country and abroad due to the cost of living in Dublin something's got to give. They won't be able to fill vacancies then. Good luck trying to staff the new children's hospital. It's already gonna be understaffed as things stand, most likely some wards won't be able to operate due to unsafe staffing levels. A showpiece 2billion+ hospital not fully staffed gonna be another PR disaster the government.
It would be based on where you work. Not where you live.
Never going to happen anyway.
It is the the worst though. Doesn't matter anyway , will never happen.
Dublin isn't the only city in Ireland that has extortionate housing and cost of living increases.
It's out of Dublin they're trying to get, due to the cost and scarcity of accommodation.
There are literally dozens of people in my Dept who have applied for mobility due to the cost of living in Dublin - mostly younger staff, and some of them born and reared Dubliners.
An allowance needs to be for the greater dublin area. The commuter belt isn't cheap to live in either. Leixlip, Maynooth, Celbridge, Bray, Ashbourne etc will all have to be catered for.
Why for Cork?
Well they can move to Dublin can't they
And that's why there will never be a Dublin allowance..... because everyone will want one.
Grade 8 is one step down from GM and is recognised as the first higher level manager.
Not when they're providing a service that needs to be provided in person, no, it's really not a good thing. Got kids? My kids' school is strugging to recruit and retain teachers, the subject choices being offered are a lot more restrictive than they should be as a direct result.
And one for Cork presumably, what's the next biggest city, Waterford allowances
In fairness people moving down the country is a good thing from a government point of view? I agree though there really should be a Dublin allowance.
I'm losing faith in the union, the a few % in April and few % in October bollocks has to stop. I was genuinely shocked to see the last pay deal was voted in by quiet a large margin by members, something like 80/90%
There needs to be a rise that matches inflation at least. There urgently needs to be something similar to "London weighting" here. Cost of living in Dublin is a lot higher than most of the country and fast becoming unaffordable for healthcare workers, teachers, guards to live in Dublin. A lot are choosing to move down the country when they can get jobs there. Schools and hospitals are gonna struggle to fill vacancies. They can't keep relying on subbing and agency staff to plug the gap.
An AVC is good. I have one and will be paying into it until I'm 60. I'll be retiring then. Won't be staying until I'm 65. I'd have 46 years done at that rate.
Read the thread. It's already happening.
The old school pensions were incredible.
The current one is good or fine. It's great that I'm young and was forced into paying it. It's cheap for what you get.
As my wages go up, i can now start looking at other options to make it better.
That won't happen though. I think you know that.
What do you think happens to public services when lots of us go to the private sector?
Whilst the pre 2012 pension is ok that's about all it is. I missed out on the pre April 2004 pension by 2 months. Now that really was gold plated. I could have gone on full pension at 60.
Ok. Well go to the private sector if things are that much better then.
It seems decent to me too tbh. I would imagine to get the equivalent in a private sector defined contribution pension would require a lot higher salary deductions. Could be wrong on that though!
I have a feeling that when "mid" roles, in the Civil Service that means HEO sometimes. Might be less true if it's purely manager roles,
Your understanding of the current pension is the same as my own. Career average which seems fairer imo.
The pre-2012 pension isn't something I know but I believe that is the main difference. Maybe someone else can clarify.
Personally, I think its a pretty decent pension and I don't understand people who harp on its awful. I will easily have 40 years service and will retire on what I believe is a pretty decent pension to live on.
Sorry would I be right with the following- Post 2012 pensions basically equates to - Full service (40 years) then you end up with half your avg career salary till you clog and a 1.5 times lump sum? And they do use the normal state pension to bump it up to half? Is the only diff from the old one is that it's done on your final salary rather than career average?
Roughly half pay over the course of my lifetime plus a lump sump of 1.5 my salary. I really dont understand who complain about that. Its good just not as good as before.
Adding up what you get after 7 years is pointless, of course it doesn't look like a lot.
Just when you mention pensions the pension for any new entrant post 2012 (?) really isn't great. When I tot up the amount I've paid over the last 7 years versus what I'll get using the HR site it's actually pathetic.
I suppose it’s around Assistant Principal in the Civil Service or Grade VIII in the HSE.
In addition to the overall salary one other thing that seems to be putting candidates off are the mandatory pension deductions. You have to explain that the same salaries in the private and public sectors don’t equate to the same take home pay. Irrespective of whether you think the pension is good, bad or indifferent, for a lot of candidates a pension in 30 years time is not at the top of their list of wants and another deduction is not welcome to a lot of them.
Interestingly I spoke to the Director / CEO of a small state entity yesterday who told me she has approx. 25% vacancy rate from a staff of just over 100. That’s the first time she has seen this.
That's it in a nutshell, the amount is already decided in the context of budget
Incredible that the unions got away with basically a "pay rise" of 2% in March with inflation running at three or four times that rate at least.
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