Don't be ridiculous. I'm all in on EV and PV panels powering it but I'm not buying this argument that people are doing it for the environment.
There's a boom in PV at the moment because electricity prices have shortened the payback, it's not because people care about the planet.
Can I not be an EV driver and claim its doing very little for the planet?
Now regarding coal powered EV's I did find the below in a Reuters article. It hardly proves that a coal powered EV is cleaner than an ICE does it?
If the electricity to recharge the EV comes entirely from coal, which generates the majority of the power in countries such as China and Poland, you would have to drive 78,700 miles to reach carbon parity with the Corolla, according to the Reuters analysis of data generated by Argonne's model.
And I'm asking you as the mod of this sub forum to not demand it. You've hit most of the usual talking points that troll's use, move on.
I was asking somebody else, I'm sure he will be polite enough to backup his claims.
Not repeatedly on the same sub forum. Your presumed inability to use a search engine is not an excuse for your ignorance of said studies.
It's still independent of the thermal plant though.
Ah no, it's up to the person making a claim to back it up. I'm sure he will be along shortly with his sources.
The studies have been discussed a few times on this forum, perhaps do your own research
It doesn’t just happen to be there.
it was put there because of the grid connection which is sharer there with unit 2. Also because the connection to the 400 KV network , also because of the amount of renewable along that corridor and also because of a the additional Renewables which will be built thete
That's independent of the thermal plant though. Just happens to be in the same location.
And yes we still get electricity from moneypoints coal.
Not sure what you are amazed about there.
I'm sure you won't mind sharing me a link to backup your claim that a coal powered EV is better for the environment than a petrol one.
Thanks in advance.
It's been well proven that even a 100% coal powered EV is cleaner than ice
Breathing is bad for the environment too, if you cared about the planet you should do less of that
It is still amazes me how many people still think that we get electricity from coal in Ireland - I had someone say the exact same trope to me personally recently - What is the point of EVs when the electricity here is generated from Coal. But Moneypoint has an interesting side note as it recently had the world's largest flywheel installed essentially a Synchronous Condenser that allows the grid to remain synchronous with demand while taking even more wind power in - Ireland does actually lead the way in a lot of this.
Irelands coal consumption is 1.2bn not 8.2bn and moneypoint is nearing end of life. It’ll be gone in a few years
no need to wait to be seen. the figures are already there.
But if you think the most of Irelands electricity comes from moneypoint then I guess you do indeed live in the past
havimg no tailpipe emission in the city is infinite times better already . Cycling in traffic or walking on a footpath is far more enjoyable and healthy
Mod Note: Stick to the topic of comparative environmental impact of EVs vs ICE vehicles. This is not the place for the broader debate on private transport methods.
yes sometimes it is available, but sometimes its not, we do not live in such a distribution of population where the public option exists for all, again, yes, comfort and convenience does play a part in decision making, but not always, necessity dictates many, forcing the change over to public, without consideration to these nuances will ultimately lead to failure.....
In fairness were you not responding to a comment that EV drivers might make a small sacrifice by buying more efficient EVs with smaller batteries to enable more EVs to be put on the road with same resources. It's a bit of a leap to be talking about banning cars.
So many inferences there, from a conversation around a single idea. I'll leave ya to it.
As another said, the best bit about this thread is deciding to ignore it.
I'm not denying that but that would be compounded failures
It's also the fallacy of sunken costs instead of life extension
As an aside we'd be a 500k household what has put any of our cars off the road in the past is inability to source a component or someone lamping the car and insurance deciding not to repair
...because theres a serious limitation to what the individual can do, in order to reduce this consumption of fossil fuels, significant investments in our energy networks are required to move away from fossil fuels, this never happened, but is now starting to happen, it will more than likely take many years, probably decades to achieve this, i.e. before we see a reduction in the consumption of these fuels, remembering large proportions of our economy and major institutions require enormous amounts of energy to simply be, health care system, and always important to remember, data centers use roughly 15% of our generated energy etc etc
The greenies are those who push a (green) policy and wilfully ignore it's weaknesses and failures
You're being disingenuous, just call it low carbon power, far more people will listen and support you if you are honest
Eg gas is better than coal because of the cleaner and more efficient burn. Wind is better than solar because it can generate at all times of a day and it's greater scale
Why had we a record consumption of coal this year then?
If we have all these inspirational people out there then we should be seeing a reduction in coal consumption then?
You talk nice words but the thermal plants keep pumping.
a multitude of things, some have purchased ev's, solar panels, consume less(i do this myself), engage in environmental friendly activities, from wild life surveys to tree planting etc, reduction in traveling(i do this myself, largely due to costs, but...), i generally wear clothes on a weekly cycle, depends how dirty they get though.... im still wearing clothes that are over 10 years old....
...you d be surprised what people are doing out there, very inspirational, and im very thankful they are to....
...yes some dont give a fcuk, they will always exist, but many really really do....
So now you are saying we will possibly need blackouts?
So how will we power our lovely EV's?
Are you talking about just Ireland here or will other countries keep burning the coal to avoid blackouts?
And yet it's probably more achievable than removing cars from our roads.
It's better to take whatever realistic actions we can take, such as buying an EV when it comes to changing our car. Saying the sky is falling and calling everyone delusional will achieve nothing. Work with what we can, rather than scream at what we can't. My household is 2 EV. Not pumping fossil fuels out the tailpipe is a nice reward. My reasons for purchase are not environmental, but it does make a difference. I'm not some greenie though....i'm burning coal in the stove right now. A half tonne does me the winter. Toasty.
You are forgetting about coal that's used in other countries to produce our clothes, food, phones etc.
Where do you think we will be in 10 years V the 8 billion tonnes of coal we consume today?
I'm not disputing ev's have zero tail pipe emissions but we seem perfectly happy to churn 8 billion tonnes of coal into the sky and pretend it's all good because we can't see the smoke stacks ourselves.
lower, we re finally starting to deal with this problem, gonna be a rough decade to get there though
...yea, we re not accelerating the building of alternatives such as renewables and nuclear fast enough, so blackouts are very possible during this transition....
So what are these most people you know doing?
Giving up sun holidays?
Stopped consuming imported wine or food?
Wear the same clothes for 2 or 3 days?
Use the same towel for a week?
I don't know anybody who's doing this type of thing on a large scale.
Just look around a supermarket this week, it's absolute carnage as people are buying like it's the end of the world.
https://www.seai.ie/data-and-insights/seai-statistics/key-publications/energy-in-ireland/
Coal is still less than 10% of our total energy mix (900ktoe out of about 13500 in 2021).
Total energy oil is 40 to 50%, but I think your making the point against yourself here, EVs will absolutely help this figure. At the moment an ICE is 100% fossil fuel driven, but an EV is about 65% fossil fuel driven and with potential to improve that number.
And this is only focusing on carbon intensity, it says nothing for the other emissions that aren't being spewed out around our towns and cities because EVs do genuinely have zero tailpipe emissions. This has a public health benefit.
