Thats 1 from Dunboyne plus the guy from Rathoath who was injured in Iziam a few weeks back. I wonder if the went out together given they only lived a few kilometers away from each other.
Been pondering this one too. Ukraine is coming into the Western fold, that’s what they wanted, that’s pretty much what the war is about and they’re doing a sterling job in solidifying their position there.
But the old Russia Federation? There is the big question. As they currently are, I think we might be looking at years or even decades of “containment”. Putin alone isn’t the sole cause of their current mindset and so long as they feel that violently trying to grab away the freedoms of other people (just because they wanna) is ok…then they have no further place in the civilised world. The Ukraine / NATO controlled borders may become an odd sequel to the Iron Curtain with Russia carefully contained on the other side.
China would likely fill the Eastern Pacific regions with partisans who’ll sue for independence, resulting in independent republics subservient to Beijing. Russian support for Armenia is dissolving already, so we’ll likely see Azerbaijan reclaim all of Nagorno-Karabach (resulting in a humanitarian catastrophe for those living there).
If Moscow will likely lash out wherever they can. Georgia may be in danger if they try to reignite that fight.
Komical Kiril.
Yes - lol.
‼️Biden, in a conversation with Zelenskyi, announced a new military aid package worth $625 million.
It will include:
- 4 HIMARS installations and ammunition;
- 16 155-mm howitzers (M777?);
- 16 105-mm howitzers;
- 200 MRAP MaxxPro machines;
- 75,000 155-mm shells;
- 500 high-precision 155-mm shells (M982 Excalibur?);
- 1,000 155-mm RAAMS shells;
- 30,000 120-mm mines;
- 200,000 cartridges for small arms;
- equipment for setting obstacles;
- Claymore mines;
- other equipment.
More Yes is always welcome.
RIP. A lot of posters here talk a good fight, he actually went there and did it. Whatever his motives were, he fought for the right side and his family can be proud of him, terrible as the loss is
Russia will be seen as very weak from now on so i agree that there is potential for other regions to break free, particularly in the far east where China has eyes on some areas where it sees the locals as ethnically Chinese anyway. China could also move some of its own population into these areas to relieve population pressure within China.
I am thinking Russia will become the 21st century version of "The Sick Man of Europe". In the 19th Century they had The Ottomans. The collapsing Ottoman empire required outside help from Western and Northern Europe to keep the wolves from the door.
The same might well be the future for Russia in the next 50 years.
I´m seeing all sorts of conflicting reports, but I haven´t seen anything yet backing up that its a full blown rout from Kherson. Most are saying they have pushed about 15kms towards Kherson - but some are claiming its an organised Russian withdrawal (which based off everything so far would be a first....) and some are saying its a full blown panicked rout. Suppose only those on the ground will really know....
Has anyone got any verified links not rubbish from twitter etc...?
I love the way Russians propagandists cannot wrap their head around your first point(or don't want to). It cannot POSSIBLY be that Ukraine wants to pivot towards the rest of Europe of its own volition. It must be a product of what Mearscheimer referred to as 'Western social engineering'. Some sort of Jedi mind trick by sneaky Anglo Saxon satanists... Of course Ukraine wouldn't fancy the opportunities offered by pivoting toward the EU. Who would, except almost every former Warsaw Pact country? Sure, aren't they all queueing up to join whatever Russia's equivalent is? (Looks out window) Well, actually... No, they're not. They're really not.
Don't you know, the capitalists will move in and make everything neat and clean and profitable again. Sure, it'll be as if nothing even happened.
It is a war fought in the media and internet too. Russians are referred to as orcs and ukrainians are referred as khokhols. In case you get confused who is who. :)
I opened that briefly Wes but don't have the time to go into it in detail just now. I will later. At first glance it does seem thought provoking. Thanks for the link.
Some love from "twitter" today it's feeling unappreciated all of a sudden.....
Maybe, maybe not? Russia has produced some of the best scientific and mathematical minds, have significant production capability, resources - culture and history. Lots going for it, if they accept their place in the current world and settle down to produce & trade. Need to be led by those who can put the old Russian Empire and latter USSR behind them.
“The basic level training of junior commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has begun on the territory of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This course was developed on the basis of the Ukrainian training program for non-commissioned officers, taking into account the combat experience of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3586286-training-of-afus-junior-commanders-begins-in-great-britain.html
Is the Republic involved or just the north?
Congratulations Russian soldier, it's your lucky day.
What's the odds of being that lucky
Id say it's highly likely,
I know a few of the polish lads who went over claiming to Irish and wearing the tricolor,in the event of getting captured they might be treated better as Irish men
Twitter is not rubbish, and neither is Telegram. I was watching Al Jazeera and a program about the Azerbaijan Armenia conflict. One of the guests talked about how the negotiations were made more difficult by the nicely timed release on Telegram of a video showing Azerbaijan troops, executing Armenian 6 POWs.
The Ukrainian armed forces and government all have very active Telegram channels. I think anyone who hasn't looked at the official media channels the Ukrainian government uses would be quite shocked at how heavily they use Telegram for official stuff, which is what got me interested in it. Before taking a hard look, I too was dismissive and soon realised I was completely wrong.
When War Struck, Ukraine Turned to Telegram
As Russian troops surround Kyiv, millions of Ukrainians have relied on the messaging platform for government information.
https://www.wired.com/story/telegram-ukraine-russia-channels-signal/
How journalists in Ukraine have turned Telegram into a preferred source of news
“If you post something on a Facebook, it doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone will see your message. With Telegram, you can really reach the entire audience of the channel.”
The messaging app Telegram was built around the idea that communication should be personal and encrypted. But in some countries, it has also become a popular tool for journalists to create public news channels. Here are three takeaways from how that’s evolved in Ukraine.
https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/07/how-journalists-in-ukraine-have-turned-telegram-into-a-preferred-source-of-news/
This thread would have been dire and next to useless without all the twitter links.
It's a full blown rout. The Russian army is incapable of solidifying when they have to start retreating.
The Ukrainian's have too much technology at there disposal.
The attack on Khearson directly is using a river to protect its flank classic Julius Caesar tactic against Pompey the Great. Any attempt to reorganize will leave troops exposed to being out of position when a general retreat happens.
Twitter is rubbish. We've had posters on this very thread put up fake Twitter links for all type of nonsense like a coup in China, Belarus is hours away from invading northern Ukraine, Putin has a week to live because of cancer etc... there's been too much to remember in all honesty.
I suppose it's just part of the dumbing down of society in general but i thought this forum would be above it. Is it really so hard to stick with verifiable sources and news articles? Any old fool can now could put some fake Twitter link up and spread it as gospel as we've had evidence of right here as gullible posters buy into it.
After Russia gets sorted, this lot need seeing to next.
The secret is to check the source if they are not a reliable source. Dismissing everything on twitter as rubbish is just as bad as blindly accepting any nonsense as fact.
this is stupid,its easy enough to verify if the link is truthful or not,i guess it's the dumbing down of society that people cant do that!
You seem capable of filtering out the rubbish... twitter and telegram posts on here in many occasions provided the information that was only verified by an official source days later .... take the Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv as an example ... same platforms were also used for disinformation towards the Russians by ukraine ... useful rubbish that was
Very interesting and informative, thanks for the info.
Without Twitter links the true stories and developments would have been posted a few hours or maybe a day later from reliable sources, and we'd have been spared an awful lot of the fake news crap that was posted. I'd call that a net gain. Though it's no surprise that the same individuals were responsible for a lot of those silly rumours.
On your broader point, though, I agree, and I'd say it's not twitter and telegram themselves that are the problem, but the people who use them. Breaking news from a reliable source is as useful on Twitter as it is anywhere else. The issue is when persons with zero credibility posts sensational rumours and gullible fools start posting it here just because they like the sound of it. I think we can all agree there's a successful balance that can be found between the two extremes?
We need to invade Iraq because intelligence sources have verified the prescence of weapons of mass destruction. One always needs to engage the brain whatever the source.
Someone needs to start a thread where the only sources allowed are from a curated list of mainstream media in the OP. I predict it will be crickets, and then the 4 posters will sheepishly slink back to this one.
I was reading an analysis on Twitter recently about the Ukrainian advances towards Kherson and they pointed out that there only two viable crossings now, the dam and one bridge just north of Kherson. Neither can take heavy machinery so the Russians are screwed either way as far as that goes, and are doomed to leave anything heavy behind if they retreat. The dam can take medium to light traffic, so they could retreat over there, but being Russians, would probably choose the les sensible option and make a run for the bridge north of Kherson but may well run out of fuel before they get there. A lose lose situation, they remain master strategists :)
Found it ...
1991 Ukrainian vote. Since then, and in more recent times Russia has sent lots of Russians to the now contested areas which would have diluted these numbers since, but only because the Russian population has grown and not because Ukrainians had a slow change of mind.
Then in 2014, this was the situation
Source: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/05/21/10-maps-that-explain-ukraines-struggle-for-independence/
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