I´m seeing all sorts of conflicting reports, but I haven´t seen anything yet backing up that its a full blown rout from Kherson. Most are saying they have pushed about 15kms towards Kherson - but some are claiming its an organised Russian withdrawal (which based off everything so far would be a first....) and some are saying its a full blown panicked rout. Suppose only those on the ground will really know....
Has anyone got any verified links not rubbish from twitter etc...?
I am thinking Russia will become the 21st century version of "The Sick Man of Europe". In the 19th Century they had The Ottomans. The collapsing Ottoman empire required outside help from Western and Northern Europe to keep the wolves from the door.
The same might well be the future for Russia in the next 50 years.
Russia will be seen as very weak from now on so i agree that there is potential for other regions to break free, particularly in the far east where China has eyes on some areas where it sees the locals as ethnically Chinese anyway. China could also move some of its own population into these areas to relieve population pressure within China.
RIP. A lot of posters here talk a good fight, he actually went there and did it. Whatever his motives were, he fought for the right side and his family can be proud of him, terrible as the loss is
Yes - lol.
‼️Biden, in a conversation with Zelenskyi, announced a new military aid package worth $625 million.
It will include:
- 4 HIMARS installations and ammunition;
- 16 155-mm howitzers (M777?);
- 16 105-mm howitzers;
- 200 MRAP MaxxPro machines;
- 75,000 155-mm shells;
- 500 high-precision 155-mm shells (M982 Excalibur?);
- 1,000 155-mm RAAMS shells;
- 30,000 120-mm mines;
- 200,000 cartridges for small arms;
- equipment for setting obstacles;
- Claymore mines;
- other equipment.
More Yes is always welcome.
Komical Kiril.
Been pondering this one too. Ukraine is coming into the Western fold, that’s what they wanted, that’s pretty much what the war is about and they’re doing a sterling job in solidifying their position there.
But the old Russia Federation? There is the big question. As they currently are, I think we might be looking at years or even decades of “containment”. Putin alone isn’t the sole cause of their current mindset and so long as they feel that violently trying to grab away the freedoms of other people (just because they wanna) is ok…then they have no further place in the civilised world. The Ukraine / NATO controlled borders may become an odd sequel to the Iron Curtain with Russia carefully contained on the other side.
China would likely fill the Eastern Pacific regions with partisans who’ll sue for independence, resulting in independent republics subservient to Beijing. Russian support for Armenia is dissolving already, so we’ll likely see Azerbaijan reclaim all of Nagorno-Karabach (resulting in a humanitarian catastrophe for those living there).
If Moscow will likely lash out wherever they can. Georgia may be in danger if they try to reignite that fight.
Thats 1 from Dunboyne plus the guy from Rathoath who was injured in Iziam a few weeks back. I wonder if the went out together given they only lived a few kilometers away from each other.
Nothing to worry about in Kherson,
All under control when we retreat we are being cunning and moving forward,
Forward towards Russia
Must be heading to the north
Beauty queen after car crash?
Training of ukrainian commanders in Britain and Ireland
Borrell: We provide military aid to Ukraine and are taking diplomatic steps to support it in Russia's war against it
the Uruk-hai are on the back foot
Building back better and all that.
The Ukraine was always out on its own, I worked with Ukrainians back in the 90's nice people they were neither European or Russian a bit like the Irish long ago going from pillar to post, wars not good. But as I read somewhere metaphorically sometimes heaven and hell need to clash now and again to throw up the dust and when it settles thing's can only get better.
Those Ukrainians are hard men, they don't mind getting stuck into anything they're doing. They'll deserve to be modernized and become a nation standing out on the borders of east and west. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
One spouted sh*te on twitter setting himself up as some sort of global soothsayer, the other actually put his money where his mouth is. There's the difference.
RIP
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." - John 15:13
His tweets are priceless !!
Lol
It's a good question and I was wondering the same. It seems that the handheld AA weapons are only part of the answer - they are effective at lower altitudes, but Russian aircraft are using those lower altitudes to avoid other air defences e.g. medium and high-altitude SAMS and the Ukrainian air force itself which has has been careful not to throw its aircraft into the battle willy-nilly. This article seems to explain it well, and also discusses how the west may have something to learn from Ukrainian methods.
Paul, I thought this was an interesting read (links to the English language version of Novaya Gazeta)
The post-Putin peace
Let's see what a post-war peace negotiation may look like
This thread has largely been cleared of the bots and apologists now so perhaps the real discussion of what the future holds can take place. There will eventually be an end to this war and post war both Ukraine and Russia will need to find their place in the world. At this stage (indeed once Russia failed to take Kiev), it is obvious that Russia has lost the war in so far as their war objectives failed. It will probably drag on for a year perhaps 2 and eventually an increasingly well armed Ukrainian army will drive an increasingly poorly armed Russia out of most or all of Ukraine.
Then what? Russia (Putin-led or post Putin led) will have to face some home truths. The army they had before February was a paper tiger and post war even that paper tiger will have been severely damaged or destroyed in Ukraine. A NATO threat to Russia was always a lie. NATO and or the EU never had any intention of invading Russia and the suggestion they would have was always an obviously stupid assertion. Why, because there was and never was any need to. The EU, America, Japan, Australia, Canada, South Korea (The West) was happy to simply trade with Russia.
The ONLY threat to Russia has always been China, because it is another autocratic regime, and post Ukraine war the Russian army will not be capable of defending against a conventional attack from China. I do not for a moment believe China will attack Russia but I do believe they will meddle, invest, spy, undermine and generally stir trouble in Russia-in-Asia and eventually "little Green men" backed by China will do what the "little green men" backed by Russia did in Crimea.
At that stage Russias destroyed army will not have the capability to resist and I believe their only option will be to look to NATO.
I grew up in the 80's and Reagan's "evil empire" line from a 1983 speech resonated throughout the decade, and there were Russian boogeymen throughout 80's cinema, I'm thinking of the 2nd and 3rd Rambo films. But you grow up and put away childish things, and take a more pragmatic and sensible view of the world. But Putin has set the clock back years now for his people with his imperialist fantasies and the army's brutal tactics.
Mick Ryan was a bit tongue in cheek when he says:
"And Ukraine’s tactical recon is probably complemented by strategic recon from other sources."
The Russian military have shown themselves to be a particularly brutal ill disciplined type of invader, wherever they've gone in recent campaigns. 'Invaders' are what they are but that is too civilised a word. Come up with a better name.
There is a very small section of society that take digs at Bill Gates because they detest his support of vaccine programmes and philanthropy.
Heard that and thinking on his family today. Fair dues to him for going over and helping in the most practical way.
Snigirevka will be left. Today this issue has already been resolved. But I still do not understand what front line we will hold. It is reasonable to start moving beyond the river to avoid losses.
I find it really strange that Russia are abandoning this position. It's one of the most defendable parts of the front given its geography. I suppose we will see what happens today/tomorrow.
IMHO Russia's talk about NATO is a red herring in many ways. They well knew before all this that Ukraine was many years away from being accepted into NATO. Even after all this it still is. Russia and putin supporters are damned near 100% also anti EU. There's a reason for that. It's the EU Russia fears far more. Military threats are one thing, but neighbours who look like you and used to be close to you living better lives away from you in plain sight is the far bigger threat to an autocratic society.
Well hopefully if they're sending people from prison's into the battle field, child abusers, rapist's etc are on the front line.
The more vaporized the better.
Oh I know it wouldn't but Russia has always pushed it as if it would be a breach of neutrality.
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